Ingram for Ayton

[JRoy]

Great for NO to get their center

why would PORT need Ingram to add to Grant, Avdija, Murray, Sharpe and Walker none of which are really guards or centers

How is Sharpe not a guard?

He’s a sg.

[Myth]

I don’t want Ingram this year, I want to tank. I therefore definitely don’t add incentive. I don’t oppose to such a move in the future but I assume the window will be closed at that time.

[Myth]

Great for NO to get their center

why would PORT need Ingram to add to Grant, Avdija, Murray, Sharpe and Walker none of which are really guards or centers

How is Sharpe not a guard?

He’s a sg.

Yeah, when gets spot minutes at SF due to too many guards in the past, but I always viewed him as out of position when we’ve done that.

[louc1970]

Great for NO to get their center

why would PORT need Ingram to add to Grant, Avdija, Murray, Sharpe and Walker none of which are really guards or centers

Portland should look at who they can get a better return for - Ayton or Ingram - if the trade were to go down.
Ingram would return …
Ayton would return ….

[realball]

Deandre Ayton to Chicago

Brandon Ingram to Toronto

Bruce Brown, Nikola Vucevic to New Orleans

Lonzo Ball, Chris Boucher, 2025 POR 1st, 2025 POR 2nd to Portland

[Threezus]

Change of 3 teams..
Ingram to Warriors

Wiggins to Bucks

Lopez/Payton+FRP(Prot) from Warriors to NOP...

Change of 3 teams..

Ayton to the HAWKS (Ayton showed his best game with CP3... fit well with TraeY)

Capela expire to BLAZERS..

Hunter+SRP to PISTONS

This should be the move we should try and get in on this action.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I don’t want Ingram this year, I want to tank. I therefore definitely don’t add incentive. I don’t oppose to such a move in the future but I assume the window will be closed at that time.

I think Ingram would make a fine tank commander. Then again, Ayton was masterful at it down the stretch. Big numbers in big losses!

[Wizenheimer]

Ayton has a solid set of tools to be a quality defensive player. He has not proven capable of utilizing those tools on a consistent basis.

I hate that Portland got stuck with him : / one of my favorite non-Jazz small market teams.

a lot of Blazer fans feel the same way. For Ayton to be the centerpiece (player) of the Dame trade is baffling. But then, there are always a lot of dumb decisions when a GM can't pick a lane and won't stop straddling fences. Ayton, and his contract, are the opposite of what a rebuilding team like Portland should add

[Tim Lehrbach]

Ayton has a solid set of tools to be a quality defensive player. He has not proven capable of utilizing those tools on a consistent basis.

I hate that Portland got stuck with him : / one of my favorite non-Jazz small market teams.

a lot of Blazer fans feel the same way. For Ayton to be the centerpiece (player) of the Dame trade is baffling. But then, there are always a lot of dumb decisions when a GM can't pick a lane and won't stop straddling fences. Ayton, and his contract, are the opposite of what a rebuilding team like Portland should add

Were the Blazers really straddling the fence during Dame's final two years, though? In retrospect, it seems an awful lot like the rebuild was well underway before they traded Lillard. Ayton, for his part, is consistent with the tenor of this rebuild: sell the fanbase on big-number, low-impact guys while losing bushels of games and collecting lottery picks. Ayton looks the part of a productive youngish big without screwing up the tank. (But yes, absurd that the franchise would trade a legend and have Ayton and the 2029 Plan to show for it.)

[Wizenheimer]

I hate that Portland got stuck with him : / one of my favorite non-Jazz small market teams.

a lot of Blazer fans feel the same way. For Ayton to be the centerpiece (player) of the Dame trade is baffling. But then, there are always a lot of dumb decisions when a GM can't pick a lane and won't stop straddling fences. Ayton, and his contract, are the opposite of what a rebuilding team like Portland should add

Were the Blazers really straddling the fence during Dame's final two years, though? In retrospect, it seems an awful lot like the rebuild was well underway before they traded Lillard. Ayton, for his part, is consistent with the tenor of this rebuild: sell the fanbase on big-number, low-impact guys while losing bushels of games and collecting lottery picks. Ayton looks the part of a productive youngish big without screwing up the tank. (But yes, absurd that the franchise would trade a legend and have Ayton and the 2029 Plan to show for it.)

I see your point, but to me, stringing Dame along while trading for Grant, then re-signing him to a 5 year deal (WUT?); drafting Sharpe but re-signing an undersized no-defense SG for 100M; trading Hart for Thybulle and a draft pick used on a 23 year old rookie after drafting a 19 year old PG; then matching a ridiculous offer sheet to Thybulle; trading for the high-priced empty-calorie Ayton after coveting him for 2 years; then turning around and spending a 7th pick on yet another drop-coverage C as a backup while still having Timelord on the roster; getting out from under the burden of the glaring mistake of trading two first's for Robert Covington, then turning around and trading what could end up being two lottery picks for Avdija; perhaps making the ridiculous demand of getting two first's for Grant

all of this after tanking 3 seasons including this last season leading into one of the worst drafts in a long time...with the very real possibility of holding onto all their veterans except Brogdon and featuring Ant-Grant-Ayton while accumulating enough damaging wins to screw up their lottery odds for maybe one of the best drafts in a long time...and that over the last 3 seasons when the payroll was barely under the tax line...

well, if that's not straddling fences and an inability to pick a lane, it's just flat-out GM malpractice under ownership that doesn't care about anything but cash flow. I've never been as down on the Blazers as I am right now

[Tim Lehrbach]

it's just flat-out GM malpractice under ownership that doesn't care about anything but cash flow

And that's what I believe it is. Hey, I didn't say they were doing a good job at operating on one side of the fence, but I do believe they somewhat stealthily chose one side, the rebuild side, before letting it be known. They're rebuilding about as well as the last crew built around Dame.

I'm not sure I could ever be as down on the Blazers as I was watching Juan Dixon step on the three point line seemingly every time he shot, but it's getting pretty close.

[Wizenheimer]

I'm not sure I could ever be as down on the Blazers as I was watching Juan Dixon step on the three point line seemingly every time he shot, but it's getting pretty close.

yikes!!...pulling out the Juan Dixon card...you win!

[DiegoChara]

a lot of Blazer fans feel the same way. For Ayton to be the centerpiece (player) of the Dame trade is baffling. But then, there are always a lot of dumb decisions when a GM can't pick a lane and won't stop straddling fences. Ayton, and his contract, are the opposite of what a rebuilding team like Portland should add

Were the Blazers really straddling the fence during Dame's final two years, though? In retrospect, it seems an awful lot like the rebuild was well underway before they traded Lillard. Ayton, for his part, is consistent with the tenor of this rebuild: sell the fanbase on big-number, low-impact guys while losing bushels of games and collecting lottery picks. Ayton looks the part of a productive youngish big without screwing up the tank. (But yes, absurd that the franchise would trade a legend and have Ayton and the 2029 Plan to show for it.)

I see your point, but to me, stringing Dame along while trading for Grant, then re-signing him to a 5 year deal (WUT?); drafting Sharpe but re-signing an undersized no-defense SG for 100M; trading Hart for Thybulle and a draft pick used on a 23 year old rookie after drafting a 19 year old PG; then matching a ridiculous offer sheet to Thybulle; trading for the high-priced empty-calorie Ayton after coveting him for 2 years; then turning around and spending a 7th pick on yet another drop-coverage C as a backup while still having Timelord on the roster; getting out from under the burden of the glaring mistake of trading two first's for Robert Covington, then turning around and trading what could end up being two lottery picks for Avdija; perhaps making the ridiculous demand of getting two first's for Grant

all of this after tanking 3 seasons including this last season leading into one of the worst drafts in a long time...with the very real possibility of holding onto all their veterans except Brogdon and featuring Ant-Grant-Ayton while accumulating enough damaging wins to screw up their lottery odds for maybe one of the best drafts in a long time...and that over the last 3 seasons when the payroll was barely under the tax line...

well, if that's not straddling fences and an inability to pick a lane, it's just flat-out GM malpractice under ownership that doesn't care about anything but cash flow. I've never been as down on the Blazers as I am right now

With the exception of taking both Ayton and Timelord rather than spinning them off for assets (if such a thing was possible), all of the rest of those moves are somewhere between defensible and good.

[bgrep14]

Cavs can be the third team and send okoro, Niang, and lavert for Ingram or Grant and Thuybulle.

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

Were the Blazers really straddling the fence during Dame's final two years, though? In retrospect, it seems an awful lot like the rebuild was well underway before they traded Lillard. Ayton, for his part, is consistent with the tenor of this rebuild: sell the fanbase on big-number, low-impact guys while losing bushels of games and collecting lottery picks. Ayton looks the part of a productive youngish big without screwing up the tank. (But yes, absurd that the franchise would trade a legend and have Ayton and the 2029 Plan to show for it.)

I see your point, but to me, stringing Dame along while trading for Grant, then re-signing him to a 5 year deal (WUT?); drafting Sharpe but re-signing an undersized no-defense SG for 100M; trading Hart for Thybulle and a draft pick used on a 23 year old rookie after drafting a 19 year old PG; then matching a ridiculous offer sheet to Thybulle; trading for the high-priced empty-calorie Ayton after coveting him for 2 years; then turning around and spending a 7th pick on yet another drop-coverage C as a backup while still having Timelord on the roster; getting out from under the burden of the glaring mistake of trading two first's for Robert Covington, then turning around and trading what could end up being two lottery picks for Avdija; perhaps making the ridiculous demand of getting two first's for Grant

all of this after tanking 3 seasons including this last season leading into one of the worst drafts in a long time...with the very real possibility of holding onto all their veterans except Brogdon and featuring Ant-Grant-Ayton while accumulating enough damaging wins to screw up their lottery odds for maybe one of the best drafts in a long time...and that over the last 3 seasons when the payroll was barely under the tax line...

well, if that's not straddling fences and an inability to pick a lane, it's just flat-out GM malpractice under ownership that doesn't care about anything but cash flow. I've never been as down on the Blazers as I am right now

With the exception of taking both Ayton and Timelord rather than spinning them off for assets (if such a thing was possible), all of the rest of those moves are somewhere between defensible and good.

sure....good management was why the Blazers were barely below the tax line while fielding a 21 win team

[DiegoChara]

Spoiler:

I see your point, but to me, stringing Dame along while trading for Grant, then re-signing him to a 5 year deal (WUT?); drafting Sharpe but re-signing an undersized no-defense SG for 100M; trading Hart for Thybulle and a draft pick used on a 23 year old rookie after drafting a 19 year old PG; then matching a ridiculous offer sheet to Thybulle; trading for the high-priced empty-calorie Ayton after coveting him for 2 years; then turning around and spending a 7th pick on yet another drop-coverage C as a backup while still having Timelord on the roster; getting out from under the burden of the glaring mistake of trading two first's for Robert Covington, then turning around and trading what could end up being two lottery picks for Avdija; perhaps making the ridiculous demand of getting two first's for Grant

all of this after tanking 3 seasons including this last season leading into one of the worst drafts in a long time...with the very real possibility of holding onto all their veterans except Brogdon and featuring Ant-Grant-Ayton while accumulating enough damaging wins to screw up their lottery odds for maybe one of the best drafts in a long time...and that over the last 3 seasons when the payroll was barely under the tax line...

well, if that's not straddling fences and an inability to pick a lane, it's just flat-out GM malpractice under ownership that doesn't care about anything but cash flow. I've never been as down on the Blazers as I am right now

With the exception of taking both Ayton and Timelord rather than spinning them off for assets (if such a thing was possible), all of the rest of those moves are somewhere between defensible and good.

sure....good management was why the Blazers were barely below the tax line while fielding a 21 win team

They were hamstrung by prior mismanagement. You can’t turn the entire thing around overnight.
Those were all fine to good moves.
If they are able to get any value out of trading Simons/Grant/Ayton, it won’t even be debatable.

[Village Idiot]

I'm not sure I could ever be as down on the Blazers as I was watching Juan Dixon step on the three point line seemingly every time he shot, but it's getting pretty close.

yikes!!...pulling out the Juan Dixon card...you win!

I remember feeling ashamed that the first Blazers game I took my kids to featured not only Dixon but Khryapha, Monya, Webster and Ha Seung-Jin.