Ayton to Chicago

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:32 pm

CHI trades: Nikola Vucevic, Lonzo Ball, 2025 POR 1st (1-14 protected thru 2028, otherwise 2028 2nd)
POR trades: Deandre Ayton, Matisse Thybulle
Chicago trades for younger players with a better chance of being in their rotation 2 years from now, including a Caruso replacement. Portland moves off of gtd. money and grabs a center who might be more tradeable if/when Clingan and Williams are ready for minutes.

My real sell is that this feels like a deal Chicago historically would consider. I think the value is probably close, though I would not do it were I them.

JRoy · Post #2 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:38 pm

Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:39 pm

JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Ball is expiring so Portland is going to save a significant amount of money, but I could maybe see Chicago being amenable to including that pick since it is likely to convey as 2nd(s)?

JRoy · Post #4 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:41 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Ball is expiring so Portland is going to save a significant amount of money, but I could maybe see Chicago being amenable to including that pick since it is likely to convey as 2nd(s)?

That would be enough to start talks.

I think Vooch would be a better mentor than Ayton. Not saying either team should make this trade.

ChettheJet · Post #5 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:18 pm

With the roster PORT has with one full lineup of kids and one full veteran lineup I have no clue what they're thinking. If you think PORT writes Clingan down in ink as the starter the trade makes no sense. If PORT thinks like me and the rookie is going to get in foul trouble virtually every game for the first half of the season trying to block every shot I'd want to start Vucevic and have the kid learn how to be patient in making plays.

What I don't get is why PORT would have any interest except as an expiring deal, if they even have room for Lonzo. They probably have 6 guards that are healthy and should or need to play, to just have Ball sit, even if healthy is strange on a good day.

Here are the Bulls making a deal with the only team that has any use for that protected pick, yeah you push it into the pot. Even taking Thybulle when Lavine is still around just bloats the backcourt.

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:22 pm

Portland is owed something here.

vxmike · Post #7 » by **vxmike** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:26 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Ball is expiring so Portland is going to save a significant amount of money, but I could maybe see Chicago being amenable to including that pick since it is likely to convey as 2nd(s)?

The Bulls should include Portland's '25 pick back. I'm still not sure Portland makes the trade, but it would be solid for the Bulls.

Post #8 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:28 pm

JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Yeah, I mean, much better to pay Ayton 150% of what Vuc makes to...also play like a backup.

JRoy · Post #9 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:02 pm

gswhoops wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Yeah, I mean, much better to pay Ayton 150% of what Vuc makes to...also play like a backup.

Lol.

For all his warts, Ayton is a starter.

Post #10 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:14 pm

JRoy wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hard no for POR.

Ball may never play again and eating his salary, and paying Vooch starter money for backup play is a no go for POR.

This would a minimum of PORs pick coming back to start talks.

Yeah, I mean, much better to pay Ayton 150% of what Vuc makes to...also play like a backup.

Lol.

For all his warts, Ayton is a starter.

Vuc has started every game he's played in since his rookie year. Their stat lines are very similar. Not really sure why one would be considered a "starter" and the other a "backup"

JRoy · Post #11 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:27 pm

gswhoops wrote:
JRoy wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Yeah, I mean, much better to pay Ayton 150% of what Vuc makes to...also play like a backup.

Lol.

For all his warts, Ayton is a starter.

Vuc has started every game he's played in since his rookie year. Their stat lines are very similar. Not really sure why one would be considered a "starter" and the other a "backup"

Maybe I was harsher on Vooch than I should have been.

I do like him as a vet mentor in POR but not as a starter. Too poor defensively.

DiegoChara · Post #12 » by **DiegoChara** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:34 pm

I think Portland is owed their 1st back. That would get it done for me.

babyjax13 · Post #13 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:42 pm

Edited to include Portland's protected pick returned.

drosestruts · Post #14 » by **drosestruts** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:44 pm

I don't like Ayton, but I do feel like this would be in line with the other moves the Bulls have been making this summer.

It's really long-term financial savings for Portland

Continuation of getting younger for Chicago

I would not include the PDX 1st, even if I anticipate it being eventually two 2nds. The future cap savings are benefit enough for Portland and I'm not in any actual hurry to add Ayton.

JRoy · Post #15 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:50 pm

drosestruts wrote:I don't like Ayton, but I do feel like this would be in line with the other moves the Bulls have been making this summer.

It's really long-term financial savings for Portland

Continuation of getting younger for Chicago

I would not include the PDX 1st, even if I anticipate it being eventually two 2nds. The future cap savings are benefit enough for Portland and I'm not in any actual hurry to add Ayton.

No worries, totally understand but that is a deal killer for POR.

Norm2953 · Post #16 » by **Norm2953** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:09 pm

I probably would do this trade with the Portland pick returned. I doubt Portland management
would do it however

PlayerUp · Post #17 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:16 am

Not the direction the Bulls want to go adding guys like Ayton.

Hard pass for Bulls.

Dez · Post #18 » by **Dez** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:45 am

jbk1234 wrote:Portland is owed something here.

The f***?

They're getting off Ayton's heinous contract, that should be enough.

Post #19 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:58 am

Dez wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Portland is owed something here.

The f***?

They're getting off Ayton's heinous contract, that should be enough.

The Bulls are getting off of Vuc and Ball, and Ayton is better than Vuc.

babyjax13 · Post #20 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:00 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Dez wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Portland is owed something here.

The f***?

They're getting off Ayton's heinous contract, that should be enough.

The Bulls are getting off of Vuc and Ball, and Ayton is better than Vuc.

Is he?