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TEAM CANADA AT THE 2024 U17 WC

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TEAM CANADA AT THE 2024 U17 WC 

Post#1 » by Hair Canada » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:18 pm

TEAM CANADA AT THE U17 WC

Starting this Saturday, June 29, Canada will play in another U17 World Cup tournament.

Below is the first part of my preview for this tournament, which includes some historical details on the championship and how the Canadian team has fared in it throughout the years, an analysis of the current competition and Canada’s rivals, and an overall look at the Canadian team, its strengths and its weaknesses.


CHAMPIONSHIP LOCATION, DRAWS, AND SCHEDULE

This year’s tournament will take place in Turkey, with 16 participants from around the world. Similar to previous championships, all teams will first play in four groups of four (3 games each) and then all 16 teams will face up in three elimination games, leading to the gold medal game (7 games all together over a timespan of 9 days).

Unlike two years ago, Canada’s group (Group D) seems quite reasonable, also including Germany, Australia, and Egypt. Canada will play Germany on June 29, Egypt on June 30, and Australia on July 2. In the next stage, Canada’s group will meet the teams from Group C (Italy, Turkey, Argentina, and New Zealand), with #1 from group D vs. #4 from Group C, #2 against #3, etc.

All games will be streamed on the championship website:

https://www.fiba.basketball/en/events/fiba-u17-basketball-world-cup-2024

Head coach Chris Cheng and his coaching staff (Jason Dawkins, Willy Manigat, and Peter Guarasci) are back after leading this team to the 2nd place in the U16 FIBA Americas Championship last summer.


HISTORY OF TEAM CANADA IN THE U17 WC

The U17 World Cup has been held biennially since 2010. It is now in its 7th iteration, after once having been canceled (in 2020, due to COVID). Unlike the U19 championship, in this age group the United States manages to still bring its best talents. It’s therefore not surprising that the Americans won gold in all 6 previous championships and have never lost a game (44 wins). In fact, the US only once did not win by double-figures (in the 2014 gold medal game against Australia) and typically they crush their opponents by 40 points or more.

Canada, despite its golden generation, has won only one medal so far, a bronze in the first iteration of this tournament, in 2010, with a strong team that included 15yo Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennet, Kevin Pangos, Dyshawn Pierre, Duane Notice, and Olivier Hanalan.

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In 2012, Wiggins didn’t suit up despite being eligible, and a team led by Kevin Zabo, Marial Shayok, and 15yo Justin Jackson (who I swear looked at times like a young Magic Johnson) finished 5th, after losing to the US in the quarter finals.

In 2014, Jamal Murray was the undisputed star and played well. But he didn’t have any notable teammates and had little help on the way to a 6th place finish.

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In 2016, we sent a strong team to the event, led by RJ Barrett, Andrew Nembhard, Simi Shittu, Iggy Brazdeikis, Danilo Djuricic, and Emmanuel Akot (as well as Noah Kirkwood, Quincy Guerrier, and Jaden Bediako). The year before, that same team played a very close gold medal game against the US in the U16 Fiba Americas, and it looked poised to give the Americans another real run for their money. But a disappointing upset against Turkey in the quarter finals cut those hopes short, on the way to an underwhelming 5th place finish. We did beat Australia, France, Finland and the DR by 30+ in that tournament, but that one loss to Turkey was enough, which goes to show how tricky these tournaments can be. At least Barrett was able to redeem himself a year later when he led the U19 team to gold at age 17.

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In 2018, a team led by Addison Patterson, Cashius McNeilly, and Ben Krikke came quite close to winning our second medal of this event, but suffered a disappointing upset loss in the bronze medal game to Puerto Rico.

The cancelation of the 2020 championship due to COVID was a real shame, because that could have been another special team, featuring Shaedon Sharpe, Caleb Houstan, Ryan Nembhard, Leonard Miller, and Enoch Boakye.

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Finally, two years ago, in 2022, we sent what was our weakest team to this event, with no NBA talents. That team was inferior in terms of both talent and athleticism, and it was blown away by European powerhouses France, Serbia, and Spain (three 20+ losses), leading to the first time we failed to reach the QF, finishing only in 9th place.

I’m hoping this year we’ll see a bounce back to the QF and from there who knows.


THE COMPETITION

Two years ago Canada was slotted into the “group of death” with European champions Serbia and a French Team that included this year’s top-2 NBA draft picks, Alex Sarr and Zacharie Risacher. This time around, however, the competition seems more manageable. Talent-wise, Canada should be the strongest team in Group D, with maybe Australia as a close second (thoguh I might be wrong and the Australians are actually stronger).

GROUP D

Germany. Of the six European teams in this championship, the German team was for me the least impressive during last year’s U16 championship (perhaps together with hosts Turkey). They were not very big and also didn’t have any outstanding talents. 6’8 combo forward Declan Duru is their highest profile player. I first watched him when he was a 14yo playing two years up with the German team. He was already at his current height and looked like a physical specimen and a future leaguer with a mature body, aggressiveness, and flying around for impressive dunks. But when I watched him again last year in the U16 European championship, he looked less impressive. The skill level didn’t develop as you would expect, there wasn’t much shooting to speak of, and I also wasn’t too impressed with his feel. I think he’s actually more of a PF, but still can dominate the boards (10rpg) and be a defensive presence (4spg). He reminds me a bit of Isaac Bonga, with the physical profile but also the questionable feel and skill.

Besides Duru, Germany’s two leading guards, Mathieu Grujicic (6’5) and Davi Remagen (6’2) were their best players last year. Grujicic is a good shooter and Remagen a nice athlete but neither of them stood out as top-level talents and no other player stood out to me. Actually, their most talented guy long term might be the 15yo PG Fabian Kayser, who’s quite skilled and creative, but still very young and I’m not sure how much impact he can have in this competition.

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Egypt. The Pharaohs are not a traditional basketball powerhouse. They are regular participants in this event and played in all previous championships, but never finished better than 10th. They finished 2nd last year in the U16 African championship (lost to Guinea in the gold medal game). They had a pretty balanced team with 5 players scoring in double digits, but none of them scored more than 12ppg. They have some size with 6’10 center Omar Soudi and 6’9 PF Ali Assran, who between them had almost 20 rebounds per game last year and could give the relatively small and young Canadian front court some issues. But I expect Canada to have a clear and decisive advantage in the backcourt and from the bench, so I’d be surprised if this game remains close.

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Australia. is the second-most decorated team in this competition, having won 2 silver medals (in 2012 and 2014). They also usually play a cohesive and tough brand of basketball, which has given Canada some trouble in the past. But most years, their talent level does not quite reach that of Canada. This year they bring a team that won the U16 Fiba Oceania last year with a close one over New Zealand and has a few interesting prospects.

Their best player is Dash Daniels, younger brother of the Pelicans’ Dyson Daniels, who looks like a promising talent in his own right. He’s currently listed as 6’5, but Dyson had a late growth spurt, so Dash might have one as well. Similar to his brother (at younger ages), he’s not a crazy scorer, but has an elegant and well-rounded offensive game, with three-level scoring and nice passing chops. He’s still a bit young (only 16.5yo), but could have his coming out party in this tournament. Next to Daniels, they also have a nice backcourt with a few good shooters, led by 6’6 Harrison Beauchamp[b], 6’5 [b]Nash Walker and 6’4 PG Rider Cheesman. Together, they’re a dangerous group, who I think should be pretty much on par with the Canadian backcourt.

The Aussies don’t have too much size, besides 7’1 center Sa Pilimai, who’s quite raw and I’m not sure will get too much playing time. So, if Oasruyi is able to play to his potential, this could be an advantage for Canada. Hopefully, we get to the game against them with two wins, as they seem like Canada’s main challenge for first place in this group (and avoiding the US in the QF).

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THE OTHER GROUPS

Group C will cross with Canada’s group. It has a few decent teams but I think none of the top-3 teams in this competition.

Italy, the European silver medalists from the last year, is probably the strongest team in group C, led by tall guard/forward (6’8) Diego Garavaglia. The Italians are a balanced team with good size, athleticism, and nice perimeter shooting. It’s the strongest Italian team I can remember in quite a while at this age group, and I hope we can avoid them in the Round of 16. We already played the Italians in a scrimmage. They looked great in the first half and opened a 25-point lead, but Canada managed to chip away at the lead and tied the game on a Miles Sadler 3-point buzzer beater before losing in overtime.

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Argentina was close to Canada’s level last year (we beat them after a pretty tight game in the semi-finals). They will bring three of their best players from this summer’s U18 Fiba Americas championship (where they won the silver medal, finishing before Canada): Felipe Minzer, Tyler Kropp, and Ivan Prato. All three were starters and Kropp and Minzer also led the U18 team in both scoring and in rebounding (far outpacing all of their teammates). Minzer is a nice 6’6 SF, with very good defensive instincts (3 steals per game), who’s already started playing pro basketball with the Spanish team Zaragoza. Kropp is their most productive player, an American who plays for the Albiceleste and should be one of the best players in this tournament. He’s a very crafty and mobile 6’8 PF, with fantastic footwork in the paint; a double-double machine who finished the U18 tournament last month with 22 points and 11 rebounds per game (these are also precisely his yearly high school averages). The Argentinians can certainly give the Canadians a hard time if we play them in the Round of 16, so hopefully we can also avoid them.

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Turkey, the hosts, are always dangerous, but I watched a few of their games last year and wasn’t overly impressed. They were led by their two nice guards -- 6’4 combo guard Derin Can Ustun (15 points and 5 assists) and 6’5 PG Kaan Onat (15 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists), but both did not impress in the shooting department (Onat actually finished the tournament shooting 1 of 29 from 3) and their big men also did not impress. I wouldn’t mind getting them in the round of 16.

Finally, New Zealand is a team I haven’t watched yet. They are usually a step behind in terms of talent, but they only lost by 3 to Australia in last year’s Fiba Oceania’s gold medal game, so they might be stronger this time around. Their best player in that game was 6’7 shooting guard Hayden Jones (31 points and 12 rebounds), but that was by far his best game of the tournament.


The other side of the draw (groups A and B) has arguably the best 3 or 4 teams in the competition.

The United States, as always, are a few levels above the competition, perhaps even more so this year. Their team from last year was one of the most talented I can remember at this age group, with impressive athletes and great talent. They crashed Canada in the gold medal game by 80 points, in a game that was quite embarrassing to watch. Last summer I especially liked guard Darryn Patterson, who he will not be participating this time around. But the Americans have a scary lineup of big bouncy forwards: AJ Dybantsa, Cameron Boozer (Carlos’ son), Koa Peat, and Tyran Stokes are all clear NBA talents, who are likely to easily dominate any opponent with athleticism, physicality, and constant ball pressure. IF the guards also perform well, this could be one of their easier gold medals (not that it’s usually hard for them).

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France are in the midst of a golden generation of their own. They will again bring a strong team with several potential NBA prospects. PG Akram Naji is a good playmaker, but when watching them last year, I was especially impressed with the two youngster forwards, 6’9 16yo Hugo Yimga and 6’8 15yo Nathan Suliman, who for me are the two best European prospects in the 2008 and 2009 cohorts. The French are the second most talented team in this competition but last year it didn’t help them get to the gold-medal game in the U16 European competition so we’ll see how they look like this year.

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Spain, who won the U16 European championship last year, are also a very good team. They play great team basketball, move the ball well, and shoot extremely well. I was especially impressed with 6’4 PG Guillermo Del Pino (a very good shooter) and with Real Madrid’s athletic 6’6 SF Gildas Gimenez, who was great in the semi-finals against Lithuania. Canada played the Spaniards in a scrimmage last week and actually held pretty well, leading for most of the game (by a margin that reached 15 points) before surrendering to a late comeback and a buzzer beater by Spain.

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Lithuania, as always, also have some strong talents. In particular, 6’6 combo-forward Dovydas Buika is a very versatile and smart player and 6’9 center Arturas Butajevas is a force under the rim with nice footwork, skill, and a good bounce.

One last team worth mentioning is Guinea, the Fiba Africa U16 champions, who’ll be playing at this event for the first time in their history. The reason for mentioning them is that they have two of the most interesting players in this competition. The first is 6’5 guard Nour Gassim Toure, who’s only 15.5yo but led them last year (at the age of 14) while averaging a near-triple-double of 20ppg, 8rpg, and 8apg. The other is 7’1 center Araphan Diane, who plays his high school basketball in Montreal and is a physical specimen with some real talent (17 points and 17 rebounds per game in last year’s African championship). Canada could have sure used someone like him in the paint.


The US, France, and Spain are probably my three personal favorites for a medal.


TEAM CANADA

The 2007 Canadian cohort is not one of our strongest in recent years. We got to see a few players from this Canadian team last year at the U16 FIBA Americas and that team did not overly impress. We somehow still managed to win the silver medal with a few tight wins over our South American rivals. But we got destroyed in the gold medal game by the US by 80 points in an embarrassing fashion. Beyond the gaps in the talent pool vs. the US, a few questionable roster decisions meant that last year’s team was really lacking in size, talent, shooting (25% from 3 and 50% from the line), and creation.

Luckily, you get a chance to retool, and the team this year includes a few notable improvements, with only five of the players from last year still on the roster (though two of our best players from last year are out due to injury, which is a shame). I’m actually quite happy with the adjustments made. First, the obvious one was bringing in a point guard in Miles Sadler, the best 2007-born Canadian guard, who for some reason was left out last year. In addition, we added a few nice talents to the backcourt, such as TJ Wal, Amari Upshaw, Mahliq Guiseppi-Kitson, and Kole Grandison. With that, the backcourt is now much more balanced and has some size, athleticism, and a scoring punch that were all desperately missing last year.

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The frontcourt remains weaker for this team, mainly because there’s a serious dearth of big man talent in the 2007 Canadian cohort. We were therefore forced to bring four front court players who are all 16.5yo or younger (three of them from the 2008 cohort). I still think this is better than trying to force in older players who lack talent, but it’s clearly a weakness. This means that we’ll probably be playing smaller when games are on the line, with PF Paul Osaruyi at center (he’ll have to stay out of foul trouble) and one of Stefan Ilic or Patrick Anamali (if you want to go even smaller) next to him. I actually don’t mind this, but both Osaruyi and Ilic are 2008 guys and it often shows.

Beyond the lack of big bodies with real size and experience, shooting might also be a weaker point for this team (and that wouldn’t be the first time for a Canadian youth team). I actually think there’s a decent number of guys on this roster who can shoot at least reasonably, including Ethier, Sadler, Wal, Charles, and potentially also Grandison, Upshaw, and Guiseppi-Kitson. But Wal appears to be out of the rotation, Charles (and to an extent also Upshaw) can’t really get clean looks at this level due to size limitations, and the wings can shoot but are somewhat hesitant 3-point shooters, who much prefer to drive to the rim (Guiseppi-Kitson) or shoot mid-rangers (Grandison). That leaves us with Ethier as our lone willing and capable 3-point threat. Sadler is a good shooter as well, but he also usually prefers to drive and didn’t shoot it well in the 3 scrimmages.

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As for the other half of the roster, which is basically the entire front-court rotation, most of them can’t shoot at all (maybe with the exception of Osaruyi a little). Which means that at any given point, there are at least two players on the court who can’t shoot, and often one or two others who are hesitant shooters. And that really hurts spacing. The team moves the ball nicely around the perimeter (or Sadler penetrates and finds an open man), but then that open player doesn’t take the shot or hesitates for too long, and the advantage is lost.

These two issues (the lack of mature experienced bigs and the tentative perimeter shooting) really showed during Canada’s three practice games, against Italy, Puerto Rico, and Spain. Canada lost all three of these games, though they were all tight at the end (2-point, 3-point, and OT losses). All three rival teams shot the ball much better than Canada, and all had somewhat of an edge in the paint, mainly in terms of offensive rebounding and bigs with a big body and skill around the rim. But the dynamics of these games were also quite different. In the first two games, against Italy and Puerto Rico, Canada got into 20-point deficits in the first half and then had to claw its way back into the games. The fact that the boys didn’t break and were able to do it both times is quite encouraging (and bodes well for keeping the faith during tournament). But the lack of cohesion (again, it's almost an entirely new team) and FIBA experience, together with the aforementioned weaknesses of this roster, were quite evident, especially on the offensive end.

The game against Spain looked much better, with Canada able to open a 15-point lead, and the Spaniards were the ones to rally from behind in the fourth quarter. All in all, despite the three losses (two of them against the European gold and silver medalists), I was not discouraged by what I saw and expect us to look better in the tournament (where I also expect experimentations by the coaches to subside and the rotation to stabalize).

THE CANADIAN ROSTER

GUARDS:
Miles Sadler | 17yo PG, 5'11, 165lbs | Brampton, ON
Jordan Charles | 16.9yo PG, 6'0, 155lbs | Scarborough, ON
Amari Upshaw | 16.4yo CG, 6'4, 170lbs | Halifax, NS
Quinten Ethier | 17.5yo SG, 6'4, 185lbs | St. Catharines, ON
Tutjiek (TJ) Wal | 17.4yo CG, 6'6, 190lbs | Edmonton, AB

WINGS:
Kole Grandison | 17.4yo SF, 6'6, 205lbs | Montclair, NJ
Mahliq Guiseppi-Kitson | 17.2yo SF, 6'6, 170lbs | Scarborough, ON
Patrick Anamali | 17.4yo PF, 6'8, 190lbs | Calgary, AB

BIGS:
Paul Osaruyi | 16.3yo PF, 6'10, 200lbs | Scarborough, ON
Stefan Ilic | 15.7yo PF, 6'9, 180lbs | Kitchener, ON
Maxime Meyer | 16.4yo C, 7'0, 210lbs | Toronto, ON
Tristan-James (TJ) St. Louis | 16.5yo C, 7’0, 230lbs | Brampton, ON


NOTABLE OMISSIONS

As always, there are a few notable omissions – players I would have liked to see with the team. These include two of the best players from last year’s competition, who are unfortunately injured. The first is 6’2 PG Kamai Samuels, who was by far our best creator in the U16 tournament. Samuels is an athletic PG, with a great first step, who can really get to the paint and finish creatively around the rim. He led the team and the tournament in assists last year (5.5 per game), adding 8 rebound per game. His shooting is quite questionable, but he’ll certainly be missed. The second guy is 6’8 youngster (not yet 16yo) Godson Okokoh, an athletic PF who flashed nice talent and some surprising perimeter shooting. Okokoh is a very good shot-blocker and plays with a nice motor. He’s still raw offensively, but will certainly be missed given our lack of size and elite-level athleticism in the front court.

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Beyond these two, I would have also liked to see a bit more shooting and creation on this team. Two guards who I think could have been helpful are 6’3 SG Rokiem Green, who was on training camp but did not make the final roster, and Quebec’s 6’3 SG Promis Nlandu, who’s a player I quite like and certainly one of the best shooters in the 2007 cohort, but wasn’t one of the 23 players invited to training camp. Perhaps I’d even give a chance to 6’6 Kian Tyson from Saskatchewan or 6’4 Logan Stewart from BC, who are also very good shooters, though I’m not sure they would bring much creation or extra defensive value at this level.

Overall, I do like the team assembled here and I think they have a pretty good chance to get back to the QF. Beyond that, we’ll have to wait and see.



I’ll dive deeper into the Canadian roster in Part 2 of this preview, tomorrow
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Re: TEAM CANADA AT THE 2024 U17 WC 

Post#2 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:37 pm

Great stuff, HC. Thanks! But we have to figure out what the hell France is doing to be so dominant with the young talent lately. I was hoping you were going to tell us that their "golden generation" was over, with three top ten picks in the draft last night, including #1 and #2. But it appears not.

Last night's draft broadcast mentioned that Tony Parker was running some kind of development school in France that was turning out these young basketball machines with great length. Maybe when Shai retires in 15 years, he can start something like that for us. Not sure why so many talented French kids are so long yet mobile, where that continues to be a weakness for Canada, including on the current men's NT.
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Post#3 » by Hair Canada » Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:02 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:Great stuff, HC. Thanks! But we have to figure out what the hell France is doing to be so dominant with the young talent lately. I was hoping you were going to tell us that their "golden generation" was over, with three top ten picks in the draft last night, including #1 and #2. But it appears not.

Last night's draft broadcast mentioned that Tony Parker was running some kind of development school In France that was turning out these young basketball machines. Maybe when Shai retires in 15 years, he can start something like that for us.


That's a good question. I do think it's not JUST about development, though they are doing an excellent job in recent years on that front.

France has a Black population that is 3 times larger than that of Canada and second only to the US among developed economies. So the initial player pool is just significantly larger (the French total population is also almost twice that of Canada). You can see that in the number of big men they produce (Gobert, Wemby, Saar, and others), as well as their pool of tall athletic wings.

That said, I still think Canada might have the edge (or at least had it) in terms of player development, which you can mainly see with guards. The French guards haven't been very good so far beyond Parker, while we have guys like Shai, Jamal, Nembhard, Barrett, Dort, Nickeil, and Sharpe. But the French may be closing the gap on that front as well. And their recent success certainly gives French basketball another push (more kids playing), as it did with Canada.
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Post#4 » by Hair Canada » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:35 pm

Okay, time to look at the roster and see what we got here

GUARDS

Miles Sadler | 17yo PG, 5'11, 165lbs | Brampton, ON

Don’t be fooled by the modest physical measurements. Sadler is a special talent and the best guard (and perhaps player) in the 2007 Canadian cohort. A real playmaker with excellent vision, pace, and poise, Sadler seems like the best Canadian PG prospect since Ryan Nembhard. And he might be an even better scorer and shooter than Ryan. Sadler’s feel for the game on both ends of the court is elite. He exploits defensive creases, gets to the paint with craft and skill, and knows how to finish well around the rim, with excellent feel for angles, poise, and good burst. He also has a developed floater game for his age and is a very good shooter, hitting both spot up and pull up shots (nearly 50% from 3 in Nike EYBL play this summer on good volume). He also has great vision and passing chops, though he doesn’t always manage to maintain a good balance and is sometimes too aggressive in looking for his own shot (that’s where the Nembhard brothers had an advantage over him at this age).

Defensively, Sadler has speed, plays with toughness, and has quick hands and great anticipation, making him an overall good defender, despite his size. He does sometimes give up on defensive possessions and doesn’t finish them well enough or gets blown by, due to lack of concentration. I’d like to see him improve and be more consistent, but overall he’s more than capable of holding his own and containing even somewhat bigger guards.

This should be a breakout tournament for Sadler, who still doesn’t have many high-major college offers. If he plays to his full potential, they will start piling up real quick. He’s the most important player on this team, except maybe Osaruyi, and Canada will go as far as he can take it.

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Jordan Charles | 16.9yo PG, 6'0, 155lbs | Scarborough, ON

I get why Charles is back on this team after being part of the U16 team last year. With Samuels’ injury, this team has only one true PG (Sadler) and it’s important to have a backup. Charles does have a good skillset – he’s crafty, a good passer, a decent athlete, and has pretty good feel. He can finish with some wiggle in the paint, and also shoots the ball. Against weaker teams, he can certainly provide a spark off the bench. The problem is that against bigger teams with some size and athleticism (certainly the US, but also other teams in this tournament, such as France, Spain, and Italy), he might really struggle. He has a hard time dealing with traps (doesn’t have the size to pass over defenders and not strong or quick enough to get out of them on his own), tends to rush things in the open court, leading to TOs, and can’t really create efficiently in the half court against bigger defenders. The shooting is also a bit erratic and he’s not a deadeye shooter even when he sees some daylight.

Charles got significant minutes (I’d estimate about 20 or 25 per game) in the three scrimmages last week, as he did last summer. He had some moments both last year and this summer, but overall, he really struggled shooting the ball (16% from 3 and 27% from the field last summer). Again, I kind of get why he’s here, but would like to see a shift in playing time this tournament, with Sadler getting the bulk of the minutes (30+) and Charles’ role being reduced. Thinking more broadly, in terms of team construction and with a look to player development, I would have preferred to see guys like Green or Nlandu, who I mentioned in the first part of this preview, take this spot, even if both are more combo guards and shooters than natural PGs. Looking at the roster now in Turkey, I’d also prefer if Upshaw or Wal got more minutes, next to Sadler, or even an opportunity to run the team here and there. Yes, they both lack experience playing at this level and might make silly mistakes. But noth have higher long-term upside than Charles and I think they could also be more useful against better competition if given the early chances and the confidence to make plays.

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Amari Upshaw | 16.4yo CG, 6'4, 170lbs | Halifax, NS

Ushaw is arguably the best prospect coming out of Nova Scotia since Lindell Wigginton and Nate Darling (and certainly since Kellen Tynes). A Quick and shifty guard who can also shoot the ball. Upshaw is a good athlete who can play above the rim in space and finish with some wiggle around the rim. He’s still young and needs to get stronger and more experienced. But he’s already a very good scorer at lower levels, with a knack for getting buckets. I really liked what I saw from him in the Canadian Nationals with Team Nova Scotia last summer. He was a leader and the coaches clearly trusted him even though he was two years younger than the competition. With this Canadian team, being one of the youngsters, he obviously wouldn’t have such a central role. He still has a long way to go in terms of both body (sports a pretty light frame) and game development. But based on the scrimmages, it seems like he’s going to get opportunities to play and it’s going to be a great experience for him, as he’s a talented player with a promising future.

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Quinten Ethier | 17.5yo SG, 6'4, 185lbs | St. Catharines, ON

Ethier is the shooting specialist on this team and the only guy you can trust that when he’s open he’ll shoot it without hesitation. When he gets going from 3, he can be deadly with a nice quick release, a long range, and the confidence to shoot them with even a slither of daylight (and sometimes even without it), even after he’s missed a few. He’s also more than just a shooter. He’s a pretty efficient player, who does the little things, like sneaking for the occasional offensive rebound and putback or making nice defensive reads. That said, Ethier is also a limited player. He has average size and athleticism and almost never creates off the bounce. This puts a fairly hard cap on his ceiling and his limitations are especially exposed against talented teams with size and speed, who are able to pretty much shut him down and make him look pedestrian. Like most shooters, he can also get cold, and then his value really decreases. Still, with the premium on shooting in the modern game, he can certainly be useful when he gets hot, especially as the only true shooter on this team (did I mention I wish there was at least one more of them?).

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Tutjiek (TJ) Wal | 17.4yo CG, 6'6, 190lbs | Edmonton, AB

One of the more intriguing and less-familiar players on this roster, and for me also one of the players with the highest ceilings in this backcourt. Wal plays high school basketball in Alberta, at a lower level of competition than most of the other Canadians on this team, who mostly play either in Ontario or south of the border. Notably, there are some advantages to being the best player on your high school team. Wal was allowed to run the team, getting many on-ball reps, practice his in-game shooting, and the opportunity to make mistakes without being benched. He has very good size for a combo guard, with nice athleticism and a nifty handle that allows him to get to the rim with either hand. But right now, he’s more of a scoring guard than a distributer. And he’s actually quite gifted at that, scoring in a variety of ways. He can certainly get to the rim, but is mostly a shooter, off the C&S, from pull-ups, and even step-backs, shooting long mid-rangers and from behind the 3-point line, with a quick release, impressive range, and clear confidence in his shot. That said, he does have some vision and I’ve seen him make nice live-ball passes, though he certainly creates more for himself than for teammates at this point, partly because he’s clearly the best player on his team. I’d like to see him using his size and handle to get to the rim more often instead of settling for contested jumpers and he also doesn’t draw many fouls right now.

Moving to play with other talented players and against a very different level of competition is quite a transition and Wal has seemed a bit overwhelmed at times during scrimmages, not valuing possessions enough, missing simple reads, failing to follow the coaches’ instructions, and turning the ball over. That led to him being quickly benched and pretty much obliterated from the rotation despite a promising first game against Italy. Which I think is unfortunate. I wish the coaches gave him a longer rope, as he’s a special talent, who’s demonstrated that he can create at a high level and get points in a hurry.

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Kole Grandison | 17.4yo SF, 6'6, 205lbs | Montclair, NJ

Canada basketball has lately been quite active recruiting players with Canadian roots from south of the border, something that they haven’t previously done at younger ages (with the exception maybe of Trey Lyles). This trend started with Aden Holloway on last year’s U19 team (Holloway eventually didn’t play for that team), and continued this summer with Jalen Rougier-Roane, who played quite well with the U18 National team. Grandison is the next in this line, and I think it’s a welcome addition and good long-term thinking, which could potentially increase the talent pool.

I liked what I saw from Grandison on both ends of the floor during scrimmages. He's a guard/forward with a strong build, good athleticism, and intriguing skill. You could see that he was still adjusting to the FIBA game and to his teammates, which naturally takes some time, but as the games went on, he started to look more comfortable and began to initiate more and take more shots. Offensively, he really likes to operate in the mid-range and has a smooth pull up jumper, which he shoots with good elevation, shooting form, and consistency and makes at a high rate, mostly following a fake and one or two dribbles. But he can also get to the rim and use his size to finish with contact, as well as hit the occasional three-pointer. On defense, he uses his strong body and good movement skills to pressure ball and he looks like a good motivated defender. All in all, he’s a really nice addition to this team, giving it another offensive option, size, rebounding, and additional toughness. I expect him to be the starting small forward (with Ethier starting at the two), play big minutes, and become the team’s third most important player behind Sadler and Osaruyi.

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Mahliq Guiseppi-Kitson | 17.2yo SF, 6'6, 190lbs | Scarborough, ON

Guiseppi-Kitson (MGK from now on) was invited to the U16 assessment camp last year but didn’t make the team. I’m very glad to see he did make it this year, after winning MVP at the All Canadian Next Up game. His game reminds me of another guy who used to wear number 22 with the Canadian youth teams – Elijah Fisher. And not in a bad way. Like Fisher, he operates best when driving to the basket and finishing around the rim with a mix of strength, savviness, wiggle, deceleration, and euro steps. He has good athleticism and hang time, and a strong body that allows him to finish while absorbing contact or being fouled and getting to the line. When the lane is open, he can also finish emphatically above the rim. But he’s not just a slasher. He can also shoot the 3 pretty well (I think he has better natural shooting touch that Fiser), though it’s not his default and he can be a bit hesitant in taking them. I also like his movement without the ball. He makes himself available cutting to the rim without the ball and is often rewarded with easy buckets.

Like Fisher at his age, MGK is also a good, committed defender, who gets after it. But also like him, he has a tendency to sometimes put his head down and drive to the rim without a plan B, ending up charging into walls and getting contained by big athletic defenders. I like the fearlessness and tenacity, but he’ll need to develop more countermoves and make better decisions, passing the ball out of these traps. Coming into this tournament without the clout that Fisher had at this age, Guiseppi-Kitson is probably not going to get as much playing time and usage, particularly with the more experienced and smoother-looking Grandison ahead of him in the rotation. His minutes and overall impact are likely to therefore be more minor, though I do expect him to play quite a bit and show his talent.

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Patrick Anamali | 17.4yo combo forward, 6'8, 200lbs | Calgary, AB

Anamali was one of the better players for team Canada in last year’s U16 tournament and the team’s best defender. I love his defensive potential, as a strong and athletic 6’8 wing, with excellent size, length, mobility, instincts, and effort. He guards the point of attack really well and can provide truly elite defense, with great consistency and motor. Unfortunately, his offense is still very much behind. He shows some flashes, with good hustle, energy, and willingness to try and is quite good in the open court. But he also has a shaky handle, a questionable shooting stroke (including from the line), and right now also a fairly poor finishing touch around the rim. He clearly has a way to go on this end of the floor to even become a good high-major college prospect. Despite excellent moving skills and good athleticism, right now he’s more of a limited PF than a SF. He can certainly knock down the occasional 3-pointer or make an efficient straight-line drive to the rim here and there, but he needs to be much more consistent and accurate to be able to stay on the court at higher levels.

With these limitations, he comes off the bench and doesn’t get as many minutes as his great defensive potential might suggest. But if this team needs one stop at the end of quarters, I have no doubt who’s the player I want on the court.

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Paul Osaruyi | 16.3yo PF, 6'10, 200lbs | Scarborough, ON

Osaruyi broke out in last year’s U16 tournament as the best and most productive player on the team (16ppg and 9rbp) and he remains the player with the highest upside (the only clear NBA prospect on this roster). Last summer, Osaruyi showed a surprisingly mature and balanced offensive game for a 15yo big (at the time), with fluidity, balance, coordination, ball skills, and a nice soft shooting touch (around the rim, as well as on long mid-rangers, from the FT line, and even a bit from the 3-point line). At times, he’s even shown advanced skill, creating off the dribble.

Defensively, Osaruyi is still work in progress, as might be expected at this age, but the tools are certainly there, with his fluidity and flashes of rim protection (1.3 blocks per game last year). He still misses some reads and has an unfortunate tendency to get into foul trouble, with unnecessary reaches and sometimes being overzealous on the offensive board. But none of these are red flags and all can be ironed out with additional experience playing at high levels. I do like his energy and motor on that side of the floor, and he seems coachable.

All in all, Osaruyi is the most impressive Canadian big prospect I can remember at this age group in years. He even looks more promising than Simi Shittu at that age (in 2015 and 2016), because of his superior shooting touch. Given his young age, further physical development is also possible (e.g. adding an inch or two), which would of course be very welcome. As might be expected, he’s far from a done product. He did make some progress this year but hasn’t quite dominated opponents in high school and in AAU competition this summer the way one might hope. Despite the really nice offensive talent and skill, he still has a tendency to sometimes blend into the background and not impose his will on the game the way he might be able to. But given the relative weakness of this Canadian U17 team in the frontcourt, he’ll need to step up, stay away from foul trouble, and be assertive on the boards and with his offense.

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Stefan Ilic | 15.7yo PF, 6'9, 180lbs | Kitchener, ON

Beyond Osaruyi, Ilic is the guy that I like the most on this frontcourt, both currently and with a view to the long term. I thought so when I first saw him last summer during the Provincial Canadian Nationals with Team Ontario, and I continued to be impressed watching him in later showings. He is the youngest guy on this roster and one of the youngest in the whole tournament. So, as expected, he’s still very inexperienced, his body has yet to bulk up, and you can see the rawness in various aspects of his game. But I really like the talent. Ilic is a lengthy power forward with great fluidity and a good handle for his size, who could even pass as a wing if he had better shooting. Despite his light frame, he shows some good fighting in the paint and is a good rebounder and shot blocker, with length and good timing. Given his age, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has another inch or two of growth in him and his body will surely fill up as he continues to grow.

My major worry with Ilic right now is his shooting, which is basically non-existent. He doesn’t even look at the basket when he’s on the 3-point line or in the mid-range and will always prefer the penetration, which often gets him into trouble, as his handle, while functional, is still not clean enough, and the decision making can also be questionable. Looking at his somewhat unorthodox shooting stroke at the free-throw line, you can understand his reluctantancy to shoot. He takes a long time to prep the shot and then releases the ball right at his forehead, with his head tilted back, so that the ball appears to almost be blocking his vision. Accordingly, the results are not great. He’s not very accurate from the line (around 60% this summer in AAU games) and the few 3-point shots he did take in AAU were unsuccessful. I hope he can work the shooting form out, because I do think he has decent touch around the rim. These days being a non-shooter is a big minus for combo-forwards like him.

Regardless, when games are on the line in the fourth quarter, I think he’d be my first pick as Osaruyi’s frontcourt partner (though Anamali is also an option with his elite defense, and a small-ball lineup with Grandison and Guiseppi-Kitson manning the two forward positions might also work well).

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Maxime Meyer | 16.4yo C, 7'0, 210lbs | Toronto, ON

Another 2008-born player, who was with the team last year. I was pretty harsh on Meyer in my summary to the U16 championship last year, though I did qualify it by saying he’s a young big, and these are the guys who tend to improve the most at these ages. Last year he was one of the least impressive players on a weak team and you had to squint really hard to see the potential. Meyer is long and mobile, but he showed very limited shooting touch, feel, coordination, and maturity, which made him a real liability whenever he was on the floor. Not surprisingly, he finished that competition with less than 1 point per game, only one block in all six games, shooting 16% from the floor and 50% from the line, and a negative plus-minus in almost all the games he played.

Fast forward to this year, Meyer looks like a much-improved player. Despite growing to around 7 feet (he seems a bit shorter to me, but that’s how Team Canada listed him), his mobility continued to improve, as did his hands, coordination, and overall feel for the game. I wouldn’t yet call him an interior force by any means (still fumbles the ball too often and gets blocked too easily), but he’s now playable and can make the occasional nice read on defense or a good above the rim finish on offense. During scrimmages, he even showed some signs of being able to dribble a bit and finish with some skill around the rim, which was very encouraging. That said, he remains a work in progress. He’s often sped up around the rim and finishes poorly (though there’s also some improvement there). He’s also still a bad free throw shooter (he does get to the line quite a bit), despite what looks like descent shooting form.

Given the lack of size on this team, it seems like Meyer will be the starting center (perhaps wise in an attempt to keep Osaruyi out of foul trouble) and will play more than he did last year. I don’t mind that, as long as the guys mentioned above are there in crunch time.

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Tristan-James (TJ) St. Louis | 16.5yo C, 7’0, 230lbs | Brampton, ON

Almost every year, there’s a name or two that I don’t quite get on the Canadian roster, and this year it’s St. Louis. Yes, you look at the physicals and you might be tempted to think there’s some real value there, or at least some promise. A 7-footer with a big body, with decent movement skills, who hasn’t yet turned 17. Sounds like a descent potential, especially in a year where there are just no alternatives with size. But then you actually watch St. Louis play, you can see right away that he’s completely clueless on what to do on both sides of the basketball court. The defensive end is where a player this size can seemingly bring most value, but St. Louis brings a mix of softness and lack of defensive awareness that negate his size. He’ll swipe the occasional shot and grab a rebound here and there. But he also misses closeouts and paint coverages, doesn’t quite understand defensive positioning, and often gets beaten on the boards. Offensively, things are not better. He has no moves with his back to the basket, not much of a shooting touch, his hands are not good, and even when he catches the ball near the rim, he often takes a long time to gather and loses the momentum (I think it’s mainly due to lack of skill and a degree of softness, rather than strictly a matter of athletic limitations). Perhaps even worse, his feel for the game is not good, and when the ball is in his hands, I always feel like a TO is imminent.

Okay, sorry to be this harsh on a young fellow, and of course it’s not his fault. He’s a 16yo big who looks like he hasn’t been playing basketball for too long, still trying to figure things out, and has plenty of time to get things together and improve. But from the POV of the current roster, I don’t really get the value. And to be honest, also not so much from a future prospect standpoint. Yes, St. Louis can improve, and I just mentioned another big guy (Meyer) who has improved quite noticeably within the span of just one year. It’s just that the skill level, feel, touch, and general disposition all seem so far off that it’s hard to see him making that big of a jump to the level where he’ll one day be a contender for a senior Canadian national team. He reminds me of Javonte Brown, who had similar impressive physicals and an even better skillset at that age, but could never bring his motor and feel for the game to a high enough level.

Personally, I’d much rather have another shooter on the team than throw away a spot on such a long reach. Or if you wanted some extra size and Godson Okokoh is indeed injured, then maybe I would take guys like Issac Gonda (another young 6’10 C, who I find more impressive), or PFs like Reichen Thorpe, or the youngster Deng Ngor, who might actually be useful, at least on the defensive end, for sporadic minutes. But maybe I’m overthinking it and it really doesn’t matter that much with end-of-rotation guys.

Yikes, I see I ended up writing the most about the least important player on this roster. Need to pace myself.

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BOTTOM LINE: IS CANADA A MEDAL CONTENDER?

I guess yes, thought that’s not the likely scenario.

These tournaments are tough. Most other teams come much better prepared for this tournament than the Canadian team, which has a few built-in disadvantages in this sort of setting:

First, players in almost all other teams are well familiar with FIBA rules and the style of play, so they don't need to learn things on the fly.

Second, the degree of continuity in most teams is stronger (as I noted, Canada has only 5 players continuing from last year), which means both a greater degree of experience in these competitions for most players and greater team cohesion.

Third, when Canada started its training camp, other teams like Frane, Spain and Germany were already in the midst of their own preparation and were already playing scrimmages against one another. These teams will come to the tournament having had longer practice runs and playing at least twice as many practice games as Canada.

Finally, the European teams also don't need to travel much and shift time zones. The Spaniards, for example, got to stay home throughout their training camp, with other teams coming to play them at home. They'll be well rested, as well as battle tested, when they fly to Istanbul.

It’s true that the US shares all of these disadvantages with the Canadians (except a bit less roster turnaround). But they have more than enough of a talent advantage to make up for it.

Still, a country that has produced nearly 30 NBA players over the last decade cannot make excuses and has to at least be aiming for a spot on the podium. Eventually, things are likely to come down to two decisive games in the round of 16 and then in the quarter finals, but to have a chance there, we’ll need to first do well in the group stage. Assuming we beat Germany (not obvious) and Egypt, the game against Australia (arguably a 50-50) would be key. If we win it and finish first in the group, we will not only get an easier rival in the round of 16, but also probably be able to avoid the US in the QF (unless they lose a game for the first time in history).

If Canada does finish first in its group, the likely rival in the QF will be France, which as I said above is also one of the top-3 teams in this competition. That said, unlike the US, the French are not an insurmountable barrier and if the Canadian team congeals by then and plays a good game, it’s certainly possible to beat them (though they will likely be the favorites). If we can somehow get to the semi finals, that would give us two shots at a medal.

In short, this is certainly not going to be easy. Right now, it seems to me that the US, France, and Spain are all better teams than Canada, though we were able to give the Spaniards a good run for their money in the scrimmage against them last week. Italy, Lithuania, Argentina, and Australia are also all dangerous and are probably more or less at the same level as Canada. Still, I think that despite losing all three of the scrimmages, we have a fairly good team with some talent and a pretty descent draw, which should give us a reasonable shot at a medal (I would maybe put it at around 20%, largely depending on who we meet in the QF). No doubt, this would be a great achievement if it happens.

A few final thoughts before we begin:
* I do hope that the experimentation period is done and doesn’t carry over to the real games. The roster should now be stabilized and I’m hoping for the following:
* Sadler should play 30+ minutes a game and Charle’s minutes should be reduced (my sense is that they played almost equal minutes in the three practice games).
* I’d like to see more of Wal next to Sadler, though I don’t think that’s in the cards.
* Grandison should be the starting SF and should also see significant playing time (this one seems to be trending in the right direction).
* Osaruyi has to stay out of foul trouble and one of Ilic or Anamali should team up with him in the frontcourt in crunch time (or maybe even a small frontcourt of Grandison and Guiseppi-Kitson next to Osaruyi).
* St. Louis should not be on the court in any tight games (only in blowouts).


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Post#5 » by bozothepope » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:04 am

Hard not to be impressed by Miles Sadler. Love watching him play. I hope to heavens he grows a little more because he’s got the skills to be a pro.
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Post#6 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Jul 4, 2024 1:15 pm

bozothepope wrote:Hard not to be impressed by Miles Sadler. Love watching him play. I hope to heavens he grows a little more because he’s got the skills to be a pro.


Yeah, he's been very impressive. Knows how to run the team, can hit shots when he needs to in a variety of ways. He has a few too many turnovers here and there, but that's to be expected from a 16-year-old still exploring the strengths of his game.

I've also really liked what I've seen from Stefan Ilic. Really good rebounder, and seems to do a lot of little things. His offensive game needs work, but he seems to be fairly fluid from a big man, and has a decent handle and solid shot form, so I hope the offence will come eventually.

Osaruyi was good in the round of 16 game after missing some games early in the tournament, but then Ethier didn't play. Not sure what happened with him. They're definitely going to need everyone hitting on cylinders to keep it respectable against the US in the quarterfinals.
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Post#7 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 1:31 pm

That Sadler kid is the truth, very much so a dog while still being poised. A little turnover prone as other have mentioned but he's young. Hopefully he does out on some more inches.
Their other bigs are playing well as well. Jordan Charles is doing his thing but I wish he had more takeover ability.
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Post#8 » by MTsearch » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:40 pm

A few observations about Canada and the tournament:

The Canadian team has not looked particularly good on their way to their 3-1 record. Yesterday was the first game where they haven’t had to contend with a double digit deficit, being down only 9 at one point.

This is essentially Sadler’s team and whether they can finish fifth will ride on his shoulders. His role on the team might be best illustrated in the loss to Australia – where he was 4/17, including being blocked about 5 times, had 8 turnovers and still finished +1. Against Argentina he kind of took over at the end, hitting from both the outside and at the rim to send Canada to the winners’ side of the draw. He brings both flair and energy to the floor – which would be even more impressive if he turned the ball over less frequently.

The three other players I see as more than role players are Charles, Osaruyi and Ethier. Without Ethier being hot in the first game they probably lose to Germany. After missing the first two games, Osaruyi didn’t look good against Australia (he got blocked more than once as well), but his work around the basket at both ends against Argentina was very good – his outside shot is something of an adventure. Particularly with Ethier hurt, Charles has been and will be important. Aside from running the offence when Sadler is on the bench, he is a threat to score on his own and teams up well with Sadler when they are both on the floor.

The tournament itself has produced some surprises. Italy finishing 4th in its group after earning silver in Europe last year meant that Australia wasn’t going to make it to the winners’ side easily – and although they did hold a 19 pt lead, choked and lost in overtime. France falling to the losers side has to be pretty disappointing to them as well.

Canada is going to lose to the U.S. and the chances of it being close are minimal. But the two games after that should be quite interesting.
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Post#9 » by will » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:46 pm

Y'all gotta and1 OP for that wild writeup. Mad props.

The talent that these children possess is incredible.
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Post#10 » by bozothepope » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:51 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
bozothepope wrote:Hard not to be impressed by Miles Sadler. Love watching him play. I hope to heavens he grows a little more because he’s got the skills to be a pro.


Osaruyi was good in the round of 16 game after missing some games early in the tournament, but then Ethier didn't play. Not sure what happened with him.


Ethier got hurt I think trying to draw a charge vs Australia but managed to come back into the game. Then later on he got hit in the face and the trainer had to bring him out a towel. Rough game. Hopefully he makes it back into the lineup.
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Post#11 » by bozothepope » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:08 pm

Well, a disappointing end to the tournament. Finished 8th.

After playing so well last year, Osaruyi wasn’t very good. Didn’t love his body language at times either. He showed flashes and he’s still young so I’m hoping for the best. Reminded me of Boucher at times (both the good and the bad).

Sadler was clearly our best player. I hope the NCAA offers come rolling in for him. Ethier shot well I thought. Grandison showed promise with his shotmaking and strong body. Jordan Charles impressed me more than last year; was one of our best players who could get a bucket when needed. And Ilic being so young intrigues me.

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Post#12 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:14 pm

bozothepope wrote:Well, a disappointing end to the tournament. Finished 8th.

After playing so well last year, Osaruyi wasn’t very good. Didn’t love his body language at times either. He showed flashes and he’s still young so I’m hoping for the best. Reminded me of Boucher at times (both the good and the bad).

Sadler was clearly our best player. I hope the NCAA offers come rolling in for him. Ethier shot well I thought. Grandison showed promise with his shotmaking and strong body. Jordan Charles impressed me more than last year; was one of our best players who could get a bucket when needed. And Ilic being so young intrigues me.

Anyone else have thoughts?


I didn't get a chance to watch all the games. Hopefully I'll be able to go back and watch them over the next week or so. But I agree with your comment about Osaruyi and body language. He seemed to really let his emotions dictate his play, but most times that was to his detriment.

I'm not sure what was going on with him this tournament but he didn't seem focussed on the game. That's a shame because you can see the talent is all there at both ends of the court.

And agreed on Sadler as the best player. He was a bit of a revelation to me. I imagine he'll end up being a very good NCAA point guard somewhere. I just hope his size doesn't hold him back too much as he tries to continue his career after that.
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Post#13 » by MTsearch » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:53 pm

After the final three games I have to admit that my previous post was pretty well wrong – outside of saying that the last two games would be interesting.

This turned out not to be Sadler’s team. He spent a lot more time sitting on the bench than I thought he would – he wasn’t particularly effective but I wonder if there was more to that coaching decision than the belief that Charles was just better. On a related note, Osaruyi and Grandison started against Lithuania, got pulled early and got even less playing time than Sadler did. Charles wasn’t perfect, he missed a few lay-ups that could have made a difference in both games, but it’s fair to say that he helped keep Canada in the games.

One way to understand these losses is the relative ineffectiveness of interior play. Lithuania scored a lot of easy bucks inside – and kicked the ball out for a number of wide open 3’s. Positive contributions from Wal and Upshaw helped keep the game close. In the Spain game, the play of the bigs once again made a big difference – they couldn’t convert. Ilic and Meyers were 2/12 from the foul line. Overall, when at team barely shoots better from the line than they do from 3 (both under 40%), the chance to win fades.

Another way to look at the team’s limited success was the lack of team identity. A sign of this was the playing time as noted before, but also in the shifting starting line-ups. It is possible that there were very good reasons for this – but it is hard to think that its effect wasn’t felt.

I will add that I really enjoy Hair’s player evaluations before these events and look forward to his analysis of the players after this tournament.
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Post#14 » by TrueNorth31 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:07 pm

Both Sadler and Osaruyi apparently had ongoing injury issues that effected their play in this tournament. I don't think either was playing at 100% of their respective capacities.
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Post#15 » by MTsearch » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:46 pm

TrueNorth31 wrote:Both Sadler and Osaruyi apparently had ongoing injury issues that effected their play in this tournament. I don't think either was playing at 100% of their respective capacities.


Thanks for sharing that. It goes a long a long way to explaining some of what I wondered about.
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Post#16 » by Hair Canada » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:28 pm

I have no time for a thorough summary of the tournament, but some quick random thoughts:

As True North noted, both Sadler and Osaruyi were not healthy. For Osaruyi, it meant missing the first two games, not really getting his feet under him, playing less time, and trying to do too much in his minutes, which didn't look good. He's still the most talented player on this team long-term, but this was not a good tournament for him. That said, I also noted that he didn't make as much progress as I was hoping during the last year. First, I don't think he got taller, which is really important for his future as PF. But also the skill level didn't quite congeal and advanced the way you would like. He doesn't dominate games at the high school level the way you'd like to see from a top talent. There's still lots of time of course, but stilted progress is never an encouraging sign at an age where you want to see year-to-year jumps.

Sadler was clearly our best player and looked like the only player who belonged in the game against the US. Then I think injuries (or injury concerns) took over and he hardly played in the last two games, which may have cost us a chance at 5th place. I still really like him and think he'll be an excellent college player.

Charles was much better than last year indeed, and showed some nice creation. I can now see a path for him to have a decent college career. But I still think the ceiling is clear with this physical profile.

Wal is a better long-term potential. But right now his lack of experience playing at a high level really shows. He's way too focused on his own shot rather than distributing the ball and takes too many contested and even wild shots. I think in one of the games he took about 20 shots in as many minutes, and he doesn't make them well enough to do that. I also didn't like his defensive effort most of the time. He has the tools but looks like someone who got used to being his team's primary option and therefore doesn't need to put on consistent defensive effort. And some of it may also be not having to defend players at this level before. Hope he grows out of these, maybe by going to play in the US or a top Canadian program next year, because the talent is still intriguing.

If I find some time, maybe I'll write some more thoughts on a few others.
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