Celtics 2025-26, Off-Season/Training Camp Thread

[shackles10]

Probably already 4-5 pages about it but Tatum cut his hair omg.

35 14 9 season incoming on 65/55/100 splits

Wake me up if he goes full DWhite shaved... the record books won't even see it coming.

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So the rumors are true! The Celtics did win their 18th title!

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This was very well-done.

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Training camp 78 days away

Sept. 26: First allowable date for players participating in preseason games in Abu Dhabi, UAE to report to their teams (no earlier than 11 a.m. local time)

First preseason game 86 days away

Oct. 4 & 6: NBA Abu Dhabi Games 2024 (Celtics vs. Nuggets)

First regular season game 106 days away

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The Celtics could've also relaxed and made it harder than it should've been for themselves as they've done in the past. But they played it right the whole season through and got rightfully, deservedly rewarded. It's time for the haters/doubters to shut up. (We) had our fun.

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I know a lot of people here are down on Springer. But I think both him and Pritchard will be looked upon for more mins than they got last season, when you factor in that now D-White is also gonna be playing on Team USA..so that means we played in the NBA finals..and we're 1 of 2 teams that is kicking their season off earlier than the other 28 teams by playing overseas games. Factor in the Olympics and Jrue/White/Tatum are all getting basically no offseason. After all 3 played a ton of mins in the playoffs.

And Jrue is 34 yrs old now.

All 3 of them will need rest days here and there..and Joe might be wathing their mins a little bit due to the factors mentioned above (especially early on in the season).

Pritchard got 22 MPG last season..so he might see more mins this season but probably not much more. Just because bench players (who aren't even your 6th man) typically don't play much more than that..

I think there's an opportunity for Springer to step in, get some mins as that 2nd guard off the bench, as a 10th/11th man..4th season in the league so he should be ready (it's now or never, pretty much) and we traded for him for a reason so clearly they like him and see the potential for him to contribute.

Interested to see how he looks at SL..

[Fierce1]

I like Springer, the player.

It's his contract that I don't like.

But removing the contracts of Oshae and Svi makes Springer's contract tolerable.

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I like Springer, the player.

It's his contract that I don't like.

But removing the contracts of Oshae and Svi makes Springer's contract tolerable.

Brad knew exactly what Springer's contract was when he traded for him.

Never seen so much complaining about a contract that is only $4mil. That's nothing in today's NBA. Theis just signed a 1 year veterans minimum contract for $3.3 mil..so Springer is barely making more than that.

[Fierce1]

I like Springer, the player.

It's his contract that I don't like.

But removing the contracts of Oshae and Svi makes Springer's contract tolerable.

Brad knew exactly what Springer's contract was when he traded for him.

Never seen so much complaining about a contract that is only $4mil. That's nothing in today's NBA. Theis just signed a 1 year veterans minimum contract for $3.3 mil..so Springer is barely making more than that.

Pels will not pay the tax that the Celtics will be paying.

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I like Springer, the player.

It's his contract that I don't like.

But removing the contracts of Oshae and Svi makes Springer's contract tolerable.

Brad knew exactly what Springer's contract was when he traded for him.

Never seen so much complaining about a contract that is only $4mil. That's nothing in today's NBA. Theis just signed a 1 year veterans minimum contract for $3.3 mil..so Springer is barely making more than that.

Pels will not pay the tax that the Celtics will be paying.

Why does our tax bill bother you so much? You're not the one paying..so who cares?

We had a huge tax bill last season and we won the title.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/05/nba-boston-celtics-wyc/

“I was part of the committee that put the aprons in place with the players’ committee, and we’re aware of all that,” he added.

“We’re going to be over the second apron, I believe … and paying those penalties, but that’s the way life is,” said Grousbeck. “It’s designed so we can have more competition in the league, and we’re fine with competition as long as we win.”

“We haven’t blinked at all.”

Wyc also said recently that he's aware that they are losing money with how expensive the roster and taxes are but they will be paid in championships/parades.

Again, Springer is barely making more than someone who's on a veterans minimum contract..

[Fierce1]

Brad knew exactly what Springer's contract was when he traded for him.

Never seen so much complaining about a contract that is only $4mil. That's nothing in today's NBA. Theis just signed a 1 year veterans minimum contract for $3.3 mil..so Springer is barely making more than that.

Pels will not pay the tax that the Celtics will be paying.

Why does our tax bill bother you so much? You're not the one paying..so who cares?

We had a huge tax bill last season and we won the title.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/05/nba-boston-celtics-wyc/

“I was part of the committee that put the aprons in place with the players’ committee, and we’re aware of all that,” he added.

“We’re going to be over the second apron, I believe … and paying those penalties, but that’s the way life is,” said Grousbeck. “It’s designed so we can have more competition in the league, and we’re fine with competition as long as we win.”

“We haven’t blinked at all.”

Wyc also said recently that he's aware that they are losing money with how expensive the roster and taxes are but they will be paid in championships/parades.

Again, Springer is barely making more than someone who's on a veterans minimum contract..

Theis' 3.3m will still be 3.3m when 2025 season ends.

The 4m of Springer will be closer to 6m when the Cs pay tax at the end of 2025 season.

I'm not paying the tax of course, but I want the money used elsewhere.

But like I said, since Oshae and Svi are gone, I can now tolerate the overpay for an 11th or 12th man in Springer.

[Fierce1]

If it's true that Wyc is really fine with losing money to an expensive roster and taxes, why is he selling the team?

Wyc has done something like this before.

After the Cs won the chip in 2008, Wyc refused to keep Posey and Celtic ticket prices went up for the 2009 season.

In this 2024 Celtics championship, Wyc kept the roster intact, but immediately put the team up for sale.

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Pels will not pay the tax that the Celtics will be paying.

Why does our tax bill bother you so much? You're not the one paying..so who cares?

We had a huge tax bill last season and we won the title.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/05/nba-boston-celtics-wyc/

“I was part of the committee that put the aprons in place with the players’ committee, and we’re aware of all that,” he added.

“We’re going to be over the second apron, I believe … and paying those penalties, but that’s the way life is,” said Grousbeck. “It’s designed so we can have more competition in the league, and we’re fine with competition as long as we win.”

“We haven’t blinked at all.”

Wyc also said recently that he's aware that they are losing money with how expensive the roster and taxes are but they will be paid in championships/parades.

Again, Springer is barely making more than someone who's on a veterans minimum contract..

Theis' 3.3m will still be 3.3m when 2025 season ends.

The 4m of Springer will be closer to 6m when the Cs pay tax at the end of 2025 season.

I'm not paying the tax of course, but I want the money used elsewhere.

But like I said, since Oshae and Svi are gone, I can now tolerate the overpay for an 11th or 12th man in Springer.

How would you use the money elsewhere? It's either pay that money to Springer or pay some random guy the veterans minimum - we'd be paying taxes on that player's contract as well. So it's disingenuous to do this math out of saying Springer's contract will actually be closer to 6m than 4m..by that logic, if we signed some other guy to the veterans minimum with that roster spot, let's say we sign someone to veterans minimum for $2.6 mil..we we have to be fair and do that same math you're doing for Springer so we're actually paying like $4mil in taxes. We're over the 2nd apron either way, is it really that big of a difference between the 6m in taxes or 4mil? Clearly, the Celtics would rather have Springer on the team..they traded assets for him and knew how much his contract wad for when they made the move..

[Fierce1]

Why does our tax bill bother you so much? You're not the one paying..so who cares?

We had a huge tax bill last season and we won the title.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/05/nba-boston-celtics-wyc/



Wyc also said recently that he's aware that they are losing money with how expensive the roster and taxes are but they will be paid in championships/parades.

Again, Springer is barely making more than someone who's on a veterans minimum contract..

Theis' 3.3m will still be 3.3m when 2025 season ends.

The 4m of Springer will be closer to 6m when the Cs pay tax at the end of 2025 season.

I'm not paying the tax of course, but I want the money used elsewhere.

But like I said, since Oshae and Svi are gone, I can now tolerate the overpay for an 11th or 12th man in Springer.

How would you use the money elsewhere? It's either pay that money to Springer or pay some random guy the veterans minimum - we'd be paying taxes on that player's contract as well. So it's disingenuous to do this math out of saying Springer's contract will actually be closer to 6m than 4m..by that logic, if we signed some other guy to the veterans minimum with that roster spot, let's say we sign someone to veterans minimum for $2.6 mil..we we have to be fair and do that same math you're doing for Springer so we're actually paying like $4mil in taxes. We're over the 2nd apron either way, is it really that big of a difference between the 6m in taxes or 4mil? Clearly, the Celtics would rather have Springer on the team..they traded assets for him and knew how much his contract wad for when they made the move..

Like I said, I already accepted Springer and want to see him develop with the Celtics.

But there is no rule that says I have to like his contract.

It's a very minor issue.

People here complain about Joe and JB all the time.

We don't have to agree on everything.

[Fierce1]

I'm also not saying the savings from removing Springer's contract should be used on a vets minimum player.

I simply don't agree with overpaying for the 11th or 12th man.

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I simply don't agree with overpaying for the 11th or 12th man.

You're entitled to that opinion. It seems like Brad and Wyc care more about winning championships and putting the best roster together they possibly can, rather than whether a fan thinks they're overpaying one of their bench players who's on a rookie contract. I agree with them.

I mean, it kind of seems silly to call it an overpay when the guy is on his rookie contract..

Springer is our 2nd guard off the bench. And he'll be relied upon more this season for the reasons I just mentioned a few mins ago in this thread.

OKC just gave a 4 yr, $48 mil contract to their 2nd guard off the bench (Isaiah Joe).

We can agree to disagree.

[Fierce1]

I'm also not saying the savings from removing Springer's contract should be used on a vets minimum player.

It doesn't work like that. We don't get to take a vet who would normally get $2.2 mil from us and magically pay them $4mil because we saved $1.8 mil compared to Springer's contract.

We'd still be limited to paying the minimum to that vet.

I simply don't agree with overpaying for the 11th or 12th man.

You're entitled to that opinion. It seems like Brad and Wyc care more about winning championships and putting the best roster together they possibly can, rather than whether a fan thinks they're overpaying one of their bench players who's on a rookie contract.

Springer is our 2nd guard off the bench. And he'll be relied upon more this season for the reasons I just mentioned a few mins ago in this thread.

OKC just gave a 4 yr, $48 mil contract to their 2nd guard off the bench (Isaiah Joe).

Springer as the 2nd guard off the bench remains to be seen.

Kornet played more than Springer last season.

Besides, it's not like I want Springer traded.

I don't think I'm doing something wrong if I complain about his contract.

Don't know why it's such a big deal if I don't like his contract.

[shackles10]

I think it's fair to consider Springer an overpay when you factor in his salary, his tax increase, and his trade cost for a guy who most agree is close to being out of the league if he doesn't prove his worth this year. It's true he's our 2nd guard off the bench, but it's a technicality as well because we generally only play 1 guard off the bench since we have good overlapping depth in our starting lineup. Being 2nd guard off the bench for us isn't saying much.

I think it's also fair to consider he's not the 15th man so he'd have to be replaced by someone and that person might be making only a million or less than him and you'd still have the added tax to that. So it's a sunk cost and not worth sweating over.

Both things can be true and neither is wrong in their thinking. Brad so far has decided Springer is not an overpay. That might change though, and it could be for the reasons others have brought up. I don't think Wyc's words or opinions matter in this too much because he's selling the team and isn't as footing as big of a portion of the bill as we originally thought anyways. Just like we do as fans, it's easy to say those things when it's someone else's money lol.

Just my opinion, but I think "overpay" is often used as a comparative thing to others on the roster and not what a replacement should or could cost. He's 14th on the depth chart potentially, yet isn't 14th in salary. If they're defining "overpay" that way they aren't wrong. A replacement would likely still be 14th on the depth chart and still wouldn't be 14th in salary so while the change might make some happy if they use the same criteria it'd be an overpay. We all get emotional about this though so I'm guessing the criteria wouldn't be the same though.