Grant Trade?

[Norm2953]

Can 2032 be included in a deal? I thought only 2031 could?

Wiretap mentioned one of the reasons why keeping the Lakers under the second apron was to
unlock their 2032 FRP.

Perhaps now we'll see DeAngelo, Rui + a swap and that 2032 FRP. Presumably DeAngelo gets
spun elsewhere with Rui replacing Grant. If that's not the case, then it will be a 2031 FRP
but Lebron is not giving up around $2 million for nothing.

[Butter]

Can 2032 be included in a deal? I thought only 2031 could?

Wiretap mentioned one of the reasons why keeping the Lakers under the second apron was to
unlock their 2032 FRP.

Perhaps now we'll see DeAngelo, Rui + a swap and that 2032 FRP. Presumably DeAngelo gets
spun elsewhere with Rui replacing Grant. If that's not the case, then it will be a 2031 FRP
but Lebron is not giving up around $2 million for nothing.

If they traded for DeAngelo, I'm hoping they flip him, immediately

[tester551]

Can 2032 be included in a deal? I thought only 2031 could?

Wiretap mentioned one of the reasons why keeping the Lakers under the second apron was to
unlock their 2032 FRP.

Perhaps now we'll see DeAngelo, Rui + a swap and that 2032 FRP. Presumably DeAngelo gets
spun elsewhere with Rui replacing Grant. If that's not the case, then it will be a 2031 FRP
but Lebron is not giving up around $2 million for nothing.

Only the '31 picks are eligible to be traded.

'32 picks can't be traded until next July

[Walton1one]

Yes, 32’ pick would be frozen if they were over the second apron at the end of the season, but I don’t think they are eligible to trade that pick yet

[zzaj]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

If that’s what it takes, okay. I hope Summer League is where Grant’s next GM decides waiting until February is not in anyone’s best interests.

[zzaj]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

If that’s what it takes, okay. I hope Summer League is where Grant’s next GM decides waiting until February is not in anyone’s best interests.

HoopsFan…honest question, can you find a trade that works? Cronin isn’t sending Grant to a bad team, and making realistic trades with teams that are good or on the bubble of being good…I couldn’t find a single trade that was financially feasible.

[tester551]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

If that’s what it takes, okay. I hope Summer League is where Grant’s next GM decides waiting until February is not in anyone’s best interests.

HoopsFan…honest question, can you find a trade that works? Cronin isn’t sending Grant to a bad team, and making realistic trades with teams that are good or on the bubble of being good…I couldn’t find a single trade that was financially feasible.

Yeah - the options are very limited.

Many fans haven't come to terms with the restrictions on the new CBA.

I think it's good for the league long term, but there definitely is an adjustment period happening this season

[Wizenheimer]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

unlikely because OKC just doesn't have one of those mid-range contracts (22-30M) that would act as the main filler in a Grant trade

[zzaj]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

unlikely because OKC just doesn't have one of those mid-range contracts (22-30M) that would act as the main filler in a Grant trade

Oh that's a good point...

[Walton1one]

With the rumors of Ingram potentially wanting out of New Orleans, what about a 3-team trade b\t POR\NO\LAL?
Wouldn't Ingram be worth (2) 1st round picks?

LAL gets Brandon Ingram
LAL sends our Rui\DLO & (2) 1st round picks to POR

NO gets Grant & either Thybulle or Williams
NO Sends Ingram to LAL, and cap filler, one or more of (Ryan\Earl\Alvarado) to POR

POR gets Rui\Dlo & 29'/31' 1st from LAL and some combination of Ryan\Earl\Alvarado from NO
POR sends Grant & Thybulle (or maybe Williams instead of Thybulle) to NO

Could also see LAL send some light draft capital to NO (pick swap or 2nd rounders?) as part of this deal

This might be the best scenario for all teams?

NO does not want to resign Ingram to a max deal apparently and in this deal they get some good value back from him in Grant\Williams (or Thybulle) that is better than the package of players that LAL could send them back. As an option you could have (1) of LAL 1st's going to NO and then NO sending (1) of their 1st's to POR in this deal

Have to believe that Ingram WOULD be worth (2) 1st's to LAL and at his age (26) he fits the group of players that will be left after Lebron leaves in a few years, no brainer for them I would think and they can afford to resign him.

For POR they get the (2)1st's for Grant, Rui could be an interim (most likely) fit at PF and maybe something for Dlo at the deadline.

[zzaj]

With the rumors of Ingram potentially wanting out of New Orleans, what about a 3-team trade b\t POR\NO\LAL?
Wouldn't Ingram be worth (2) 1st round picks?

LAL gets Brandon Ingram
LAL sends our Rui\DLO & (2) 1st round picks to POR

NO gets Grant & either Thybulle or Williams
NO Sends Ingram to LAL, and cap filler, one or more of (Ryan\Earl\Alvarado) to POR

POR gets Rui\Dlo & 29'/31' 1st from LAL and some combination of Ryan\Earl\Alvarado from NO
POR sends Grant & Thybulle (or maybe Williams instead of Thybulle) to NO

Could also see LAL send some light draft capital to NO (pick swap or 2nd rounders?) as part of this deal

This might be the best scenario for all teams?

NO does not want to resign Ingram to a max deal apparently and in this deal they get some good value back from him in Grant\Williams (or Thybulle) that is better than the package of players that LAL could send them back. As an option you could have (1) of LAL 1st's going to NO and then NO sending (1) of their 1st's to POR in this deal

Have to believe that Ingram WOULD be worth (2) 1st's to LAL and at his age (26) he fits the group of players that will be left after Lebron leaves in a few years, no brainer for them I would think and they can afford to resign him.

For POR they get the (2)1st's for Grant, Rui could be an interim (most likely) fit at PF and maybe something for Dlo at the deadline.

I'm not sure LA is willing to give Ingram the deal he's looking for given where they are at. I also have to think that LA is smart enough to realize that any picks that are post-Lebron are worth A LOT.

[Walton1one]

I am not sure about that. Lebron comes off the books in total in what 2? 3? years. I don't think those picks will be as worth as much as some people think, I mean, they could be and if you are POR that is what you are hoping for, but LA is LA, they attract big FA all the time.

Even Post-Lebron they still would have Ingram (26 now/29 then), Davis (31 now, 34 then), Reaves (26 now, 29 then), Knecht would be 26, Christie\Hood-Schifino 24, plus likely draft pick addition in 26' (and probably 28' & 30' if they traded 29' & 31')

in 29' Ingram would be 31, Davis 36, Reaves 31, Knecht 28, Christie/JHS 26 + 26' pick & 28' pick, not so sure that is a lottery team, b\c you know once Lebron leaves they will sign a big FA at some point b\t 27' & 30'. they always do.

31' is the one you are counting on, when AD ages out and Ingram is on the downside of his career. Nothing is a given though, especially with LA.

[zzaj]

I am not sure about that. Lebron comes off the books in total in what 2? 3? years. I don't think those picks will be as worth as much as some people think, I mean, they could be and if you are POR that is what you are hoping for, but LA is LA, they attract big FA all the time.

Even Post-Lebron they still would have Ingram (26 now/29 then), Davis (31 now, 34 then), Reaves (26 now, 29 then), Knecht would be 26, Christie\Hood-Schifino 24, plus likely draft pick addition in 26' (and probably 28' & 30' if they traded 29' & 31')

in 29' Ingram would be 31, Davis 36, Reaves 31, Knecht 28, Christie/JHS 26 + 26' pick & 28' pick, not so sure that is a lottery team, b\c you know once Lebron leaves they will sign a big FA at some point b\t 27' & 30'. they always do.

31' is the one you are counting on, when AD ages out and Ingram is on the downside of his career. Nothing is a given though, especially with LA.

Well, look at their record without Lebron in the last 10 years. When he goes away I expect their record will regress. Especially if you consider Davis' injury history. The rest of those players in their prime doesn't impress me...

But you're definitely correct that LA is where stars are made, and that has historically made them a better team.

[Walton1one]

Miami has apparently, expressed some interest in Grant. What are people's thoughts on a trade centered on below? I actually think this is not a bad return for Grant? Ware is a little redundant with Clingan, but 1yr from now if POR moves on from Ayton, he could be a nice backup\2-man rotation with Clingan? POR might be able to flip Rozier for something down the line?

IF POR\MIA can get over the Dame situation, I think this is a deal that could work for both teams.

MIA trade Rozier, Ware & 30' 1st
POR trades Grant & (1) of Walker\Reath\Banton

[zzaj]

Miami has apparently, expressed some interest in Grant. What are people's thoughts on a trade centered on below? I actually think this is not a bad return for Grant? Ware is a little redundant with Clingan, but 1yr from now if POR moves on from Ayton, he could be a nice backup\2-man rotation with Clingan? POR might be able to flip Rozier for something down the line?

IF POR\MIA can get over the Dame situation, I think this is a deal that could work for both teams.

MIA trade Rozier, Ware & 30' 1st
POR trades Grant & (1) of Walker\Reath\Banton

Generally, the worst time to trade for a draft pick is right after a player is drafted. It's pretty rarely done unless it's a slam dunk trade. I don't see Miami moving off of Ware, PLUS a 1st for Grant. He's not really a "slam dunk" type of player...

[Walton1one]

Yeah I would normally agree, but I think Ware was floated from the MIA side...

[Butter]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

I dont think this is true. If Cronin would accept the Lakers deal, Jerami would probably be gone now.

[zzaj]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

I dont think this is true. If Cronin would accept the Lakers deal, Jerami would probably be gone now.

I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with it...if Cronin accepted ANY of the bad deals that came his way for Grant, Grant would be gone now. But he didn't/hasn't (thankfully) so Grant is part of the Blazers still...

What motivation does Cronin have to trade Grant? There is no incumbent player at his position that is waiting for the position to become vacant. Grant shot 40% from 3 on the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. By all accounts he's a great lockerroom guy, and for those who value it a Vet for guidance...

Cronin has shown that he likes to send guys to winning situations, and I have to imagine he's going to get what he paid in trade. So if you narrow down teams that are on the cusp of the POs or better, with room under the new CBA to take on Grant's long-term money, and are also willing to give up a good 1st round pick? There just aren't a lot of teams where a trade will work or makes sense--TODAY.

However, once team GMs pivot away from draft/future and are eyeing PO runs as a reality, things will open up.

It's likely that right now, things are getting held up because teams want to see what happens with Lauri and Ingram. If a trade of Grant is going to happen, it'll likely be after those things fall into place.

[Butter]

Blazers aren't going to be trading Grant over the summer. There just aren't a whole lot of scenarios where it works to trade him. I think he's here until the deadline and at the deadline goes to OKC.

I dont think this is true. If Cronin would accept the Lakers deal, Jerami would probably be gone now.

I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with it...if Cronin accepted ANY of the bad deals that came his way for Grant, Grant would be gone now. But he didn't/hasn't (thankfully) so Grant is part of the Blazers still...

What motivation does Cronin have to trade Grant? There is no incumbent player at his position that is waiting for the position to become vacant. Grant shot 40% from 3 on the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. By all accounts he's a great lockerroom guy, and for those who value it a Vet for guidance...

Cronin has shown that he likes to send guys to winning situations, and I have to imagine he's going to get what he paid in trade. So if you narrow down teams that are on the cusp of the POs or better, with room under the new CBA to take on Grant's long-term money, and are also willing to give up a good 1st round pick? There just aren't a lot of teams where a trade will work or makes sense--TODAY.

However, once team GMs pivot away from draft/future and are eyeing PO runs as a reality, things will open up.

It's likely that right now, things are getting held up because teams want to see what happens with Lauri and Ingram. If a trade of Grant is going to happen, it'll likely be after those things fall into place.

You said the Blazers aren't likely to trade Grant this summer, I'm saying I think they will. If nothing else comes along, yes, I think Cronin takes the Lakers offer.

There is no two ways around it, the Blazers are paying way too much for a non-playoff team. There is no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins.

Grant, Simons, and Ayton are only taking time from young players and decreasing the Blazers chances at Cooper Flag or Acey.

If it were up to me, I would prioritize moving the vets in this order:

1) Simons
2) Grant
3) Ayton
4) Matisse