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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#461 » by kodo » Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:16 pm

Jvaughn wrote:I still don't understand the Reed Sheppard pick. He's a poor man's Kirk Hinrich. I really think the Rockets should've traded that pick. No one they selected was going to be one of the first 7 players on the court.


A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.
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Jvaughn wrote:I still don't understand the Reed Sheppard pick. He's a poor man's Kirk Hinrich. I really think the Rockets should've traded that pick. No one they selected was going to be one of the first 7 players on the court.


A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.


I love Kirk. But he would go closer to top 15 then 5th in a redraft.
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Post#463 » by madvillian » Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:28 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:I still don't understand the Reed Sheppard pick. He's a poor man's Kirk Hinrich. I really think the Rockets should've traded that pick. No one they selected was going to be one of the first 7 players on the court.


A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.


I think also for the Rockets it's a rare case of where fit was obvious and more important than just BPA. They needed a Hinrich type.
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Post#464 » by drosestruts » Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:39 pm

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kodo wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:I still don't understand the Reed Sheppard pick. He's a poor man's Kirk Hinrich. I really think the Rockets should've traded that pick. No one they selected was going to be one of the first 7 players on the court.


A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.


I love Kirk. But he would go closer to top 15 then 5th in a redraft.


Lebron
Carmelo
Bosh
Wade

All clearly ahead of Kirk in the 2003 draft.

Players we could argue endlessly about

Chris Kaman
David West
Boris Diaw
Josh Howard
Mo Williams
Kyle Korver

even if you put all those guys ahead of Kirk - he's at worst the 11th best player in the 2003 draft
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Post#465 » by GoBlue72391 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:25 pm

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kodo wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:I still don't understand the Reed Sheppard pick. He's a poor man's Kirk Hinrich. I really think the Rockets should've traded that pick. No one they selected was going to be one of the first 7 players on the court.


A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.


I love Kirk. But he would go closer to top 15 then 5th in a redraft.

This is just my opinion, but 1-6 are pretty clear-cut.
1 LeBron
2 Wade
3 Melo
4 Bosh
5 West
6 Korver

Then 7-12 is pretty damn close and pretty interchangeable.
7 Josh Howard
8 Hinrich
9 Barbosa
10 Mo Williams
11 Kaman
12 Diaw

Then these two round out the lottery, maybe Matt Bonner or James Jones could get some consideration here.
13 Perk
14 Zaza

A gritty hardnosed 3&D lead guard like Hinrich would probably be better and more valued in today's game then he was back in his day. He'd be like a more offensive Caruso.

I think Hinrich is clearly in the top 10 in a re-draft, and I honestly can't see him dropping lower than 8 or so.
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Post#467 » by Bulliever2020 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:46 pm

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Post#468 » by CROBulls » Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:37 pm



I know it doesnt mean much. It's just highlights and it's just workouts 1vs1. Even though Flagg is 2 years and 2 months younger than Matas he is much more grown to his body and it's really mind blowing how this plays out. Flagg just loves to play through contact. In fact he initate it on every occasion. Guy already knows how to lower his shoulder and knows he gonna win that duel. His skillset is just well developed alongside of his body. Basically looks very comfortable doing it. When you think about it you would think that Flagg is older one than Matas.

Matas on other hand looks like guy who recently had growth spurt and is trying catch up on his own body. Not just from physicallity stand point, but from skillset too. Like he played one position and now he suddenly learning play different one. On some moments you can notice he looks good and on some moments all kind of awkward. That's not criticsm to him.

You can actually see him during this video trying some Flagg's moves, but just that his body along higher center of gravity with his skillset gets all over the place.

So just from this video I can say if he can build some actual mass and grow into his body. It might help a lot to his game. Because he does try play through contact, he just gets a lot out of balance.

Also didnt want to compare them too much. Flagg is alot better prospect when you think about it. He is now 17, and this video was made year ago when he was 16. It's no wonder he is projected #1 in strong class. He is big, strong, confident, very skilled (seems good playing with both hands) and basically plays with Tyler Hansbrough eyes. If anybody ever played basketball during highschool you would know and notice difference in physicality between sophomores and seniors. But doesnt affect Flagg one bit.

Matas on other hand is truly a project. Tools are there to grow into his body and skillset is work in progress. NBA is gonna be good for him. If there is place to get legal steroids it's NBA, just need contact Giannis.
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Post#469 » by madvillian » Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:44 pm

CROBulls wrote:

I know it doesnt mean much. It's just highlights and it's just workouts 1vs1. Even though Flagg is 2 years and 2 months younger than Matas he is much more grown to his body and it's really mind blowing how this plays out. Flagg just loves to play through contact. In fact he initate it on every occasion. Guy already knows how to lower his shoulder and knows he gonna win that duel. His skillset is just well developed alongside of his body. Basically looks very comfortable doing it. When you think about it you would think that Flagg is older one than Matas.

Matas on other hand looks like guy who recently had growth spurt and is trying catch up on his own body. Not just from physicallity stand point, but from skillset too. Like he played one position and now he suddenly learning play different one. On some moments you can notice he looks good and on some moments all kind of awkward. That's not criticsm to him.

You can actually see him during this video trying some Flagg's moves, but just that his body along higher center of gravity with his skillset gets all over the place.

So just from this video I can say if he can build some actual mass and grow into his body. It might help a lot to his game. Because he does try play through contact, he just gets a lot out of balance.

Also didnt want to compare them too much. Flagg is alot better prospect when you think about it. He is now 17, and this video was made year ago when he was 16. It's no wonder he is projected #1 in strong class. He is big, strong, confident, very skilled (seems good playing with both hands) and basically plays with Tyler Hansbrough eyes. If anybody ever played basketball during highschool you would know and notice difference in physicality between sophomores and seniors. But doesnt affect Flagg one bit.

Matas on other hand is truly a project. Tools are there to grow into his body and skillset is work in progress. NBA is gonna be good for him. If there is place to get legal steroids it's NBA, just need contact Giannis.


To me Flagg is a once a decade type prospect so just seeing Matas hold his own and get a few over on him is promising. I almost feel because he's a white American Flagg is getting downplayed a bit. He's a stud, as already evident during the US Olympic scrimmage.
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Post#470 » by Jcool0 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:59 pm

drosestruts wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
kodo wrote:
A modern version of Kirk Hinrich might be the best player from this draft. He was the 5th best player from one of the best drafts in history, he could go top 3 in one of the worst in history.

Rockets said they had Reed #1 on their board and would have just traded the #3 pick without him available. Basically they thought the draft was garbage even picking that high.


I love Kirk. But he would go closer to top 15 then 5th in a redraft.


Lebron
Carmelo
Bosh
Wade

All clearly ahead of Kirk in the 2003 draft.

Players we could argue endlessly about

Chris Kaman
David West
Boris Diaw
Josh Howard
Mo Williams
Kyle Korver

even if you put all those guys ahead of Kirk - he's at worst the 11th best player in the 2003 draft


You left out:

Leandro Barbosa
Zaza Pachulia
Jose Calderon
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#472 » by FriedRise » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:58 pm

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Def like the attitude. We need more players like that, everyone's too nice and quiet in that locker room. A Buzelis vs Terry matchup would be fun from a competitive (a.k.a. trash talking) perspective lol.
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Post#473 » by Chi town » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:59 pm

This kid needs a nickname.

Booz?
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Post#474 » by sco » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:22 pm

Chi town wrote:This kid needs a nickname.

Booz?

Just don't want it to be Bust-elis
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Post#475 » by Chi town » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:45 pm

sco wrote:
Chi town wrote:This kid needs a nickname.

Booz?

Just don't want it to be Bust-elis


Truth.

He won’t bust. Too skilled, big and competitive.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#477 » by coldfish » Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:39 pm

CROBulls wrote:

I know it doesnt mean much. It's just highlights and it's just workouts 1vs1. Even though Flagg is 2 years and 2 months younger than Matas he is much more grown to his body and it's really mind blowing how this plays out. Flagg just loves to play through contact. In fact he initate it on every occasion. Guy already knows how to lower his shoulder and knows he gonna win that duel. His skillset is just well developed alongside of his body. Basically looks very comfortable doing it. When you think about it you would think that Flagg is older one than Matas.

Matas on other hand looks like guy who recently had growth spurt and is trying catch up on his own body. Not just from physicallity stand point, but from skillset too. Like he played one position and now he suddenly learning play different one. On some moments you can notice he looks good and on some moments all kind of awkward. That's not criticsm to him.

You can actually see him during this video trying some Flagg's moves, but just that his body along higher center of gravity with his skillset gets all over the place.

So just from this video I can say if he can build some actual mass and grow into his body. It might help a lot to his game. Because he does try play through contact, he just gets a lot out of balance.

Also didnt want to compare them too much. Flagg is alot better prospect when you think about it. He is now 17, and this video was made year ago when he was 16. It's no wonder he is projected #1 in strong class. He is big, strong, confident, very skilled (seems good playing with both hands) and basically plays with Tyler Hansbrough eyes. If anybody ever played basketball during highschool you would know and notice difference in physicality between sophomores and seniors. But doesnt affect Flagg one bit.

Matas on other hand is truly a project. Tools are there to grow into his body and skillset is work in progress. NBA is gonna be good for him. If there is place to get legal steroids it's NBA, just need contact Giannis.


Flagg is going to destroy the NCAA.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#478 » by Ice Man » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:29 pm

For what it's worth, here is the Top 10 list for career VORP, for the 2003 draft class -

1) LeBron
2) Wade
3) Melo
4) Bosh
5) David West
6) Korver
7) Pachulia
8) Captain Kirk
9) Diaw
10) Matt Barnes

Kirk was #8 on the career Win Shares list, too.
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Post#479 » by greenwing » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:30 pm

Chi town wrote:This kid needs a nickname.

Booz?


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Post#480 » by GoBlue72391 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:34 pm

Chi town wrote:
sco wrote:
Chi town wrote:This kid needs a nickname.

Booz?

Just don't want it to be Bust-elis


Truth.

He won’t bust. Too skilled, big and competitive.

He seems like a classic boom-or-bust pick.

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