Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks

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Personally I want Jakob around for helping the guys develop

Elite finisher for Scottie on the roll
Sets great off ball screens for Dick and Walter
PNR with Quickley.

He'll help these guys shine

Agreed, there will be a time when a trade might make sense, and his flatlined contract means he will represent a declining % of cap which is an asset for the acquiring team. But there are good reasons to keep him for the coming season, barring a lopsided trade offer in Toronto's favour.

[agkagk]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

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I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

Yup, hes that boring!

Sometimes more effective is really, really quiet.

He’s another og type.

The average fan doesnt see how consistently he affects plays because he stops them (on defence) before they happen and on offence he initiates/directs without touching the ball routinely.


Ps: season ticket holder between rows 6 - 28 since like ‘97. Ive learned that the cheapest seat is the best seat.

Sit in the corners, not baseline and definitely not half court.

Every play you can look down over the point guard/ball handlers shoulder and watch what they watch.

This is the real reason the benches are in the corner.

Sit behInd the coach. Watch what he watches.


Anyways, jakub is a really really smart and efficient player in the half court and he’s got a real killer instinct.

No bs, he’s an extremely low key, high level, winning player.

[agkagk]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

Food for thought:

A 3-4-5 of lebron - AD - Jakub would easily be the best front court in the league.

Not just for this year but possibly for the previous decade plus.

Ps: lakers gm really…really sucks!

[Duffman100]

Personally I want Jakob around for helping the guys develop

Elite finisher for Scottie on the roll
Sets great off ball screens for Dick and Walter
PNR with Quickley.

He'll help these guys shine

Agreed, there will be a time when a trade might make sense, and his flatlined contract means he will represent a declining % of cap which is an asset for the acquiring team. But there are good reasons to keep him for the coming season, barring a lopsided trade offer in Toronto's favour.

oh yeah, with the caveat that no one is untradeable on our team right now. Right offer gets Poeltl no question.

[torsport]

Did OP use ChatGPT to write their post?

I thought it would be funny to see Chat GPTs response to the OP:

Here's what AI thinks:

While trading Jakob Poeltl to the Knicks might seem strategic on the surface, there are several reasons why it could actually be a risky move for the Raptors:

1. **Losing Defensive Anchor**: Jakob Poeltl is a valuable defensive presence for the Raptors. His ability to protect the rim and rebound effectively contributes significantly to the team's overall defense. Losing him could weaken the Raptors' defensive solidity, which is crucial for any team, especially in a competitive league like the NBA.

2. **Long-Term Contract**: Poeltl's contract is considered reasonable and provides stability. Trading him away would mean the Raptors lose a player on a favorable contract, which is important for managing salary cap flexibility in the long run. Acquiring assets from the Knicks might not necessarily compensate for the loss of a reliable center at a reasonable price.

3. **Rebuilding Considerations**: While acquiring assets for a rebuild is important, the Raptors should be cautious about sacrificing too much on-court stability and defensive prowess in pursuit of future gains. A balanced approach between present competitiveness and future asset accumulation is often more sustainable in the NBA.

4. **Uncertain Returns**: While the Knicks may be desperate for a center, it's uncertain whether the assets they offer would truly benefit the Raptors' long-term goals. The quality of future draft picks and other assets must be carefully evaluated against the immediate impact of losing a player like Poeltl.

In conclusion, while leveraging the Knicks' need for a center might appear beneficial, the Raptors must carefully weigh the short-term gains against the long-term implications for their roster's stability and competitiveness. Trading Poeltl could disrupt the team's defensive cohesion and compromise their ability to compete effectively in the near term.

[Badonkadonk]

This isn't even about Yak specifically. Here are the important points:

- Raptors need a bonafide big man to optimize roles for developmental purposes
--- Scottie needs shielding from guarding bigs, IQ needs an actual screen/roller, etc.
- Yak signed his deal before this round of salary inflation and is on a good value contract
- If you trade Yak, you're going to need to find somebody who can do similar things at similar $

All that to say, I'm fine with the team trading Yak if an amazing deal comes along, but there's no chance the team will do it unless they have another big man solution that can at least play for ~30mpg without being run off the court.

[Duffman100]

This isn't even about Yak specifically. Here are the important points:

- Raptors need a bonafide big man to optimize roles for developmental purposes
--- Scottie needs shielding from guarding bigs, IQ needs an actual screen/roller, etc.
- Yak signed his deal before this round of salary inflation and is on a good value contract
- If you trade Yak, you're going to need to find somebody who can do similar things at similar $

All that to say, I'm fine with the team trading Yak if an amazing deal comes along, but there's no chance the team will do it unless they have another big man solution that can at least play for ~30mpg without being run off the court.

I think the time to trade Jak is either at the deadline this year (if we think we can get better lottery odds) or if we leave the 2025 draft / offseason with a legit big prospect - trade him once that prospect has established themselves in that season.

[GLF]

Yea and if y’all watched Kelly Olynyk yesterday there’s no way we can have him be the lone C. His defence is just too bad. Scottie would 100% get forced into having to play C if Kelly is the only C on the team or the best C on the team.

[mihaic]

I haven't seen the Portel spelling before Don't you know it's Purtle

[riff_raff]

Why does this forum have a hard on for trading Poeltl? He's a decent defensive anchor on a reasonable contract. You guys were crying when we didn't have a center on this team a few years ago. FOH

[YogurtProducer]

Why does this forum have a hard on for trading Poeltl? He's a decent defensive anchor on a reasonable contract. You guys were crying when we didn't have a center on this team a few years ago. FOH

It is a lot of the same posters to.

Just easier to accept no matter what happens they will bitch and moan.

[Shakril]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

I seriously doubt other FOs are interested in Poeltl over those being younger.
And BPM of Poeltl is only 0.7, while the other 2s are better.

Claxton has been in trade rumours since forever - nobody wants to pay the price
kessler is still on his rookie contract and the Jazz - a rebuilding team - is already shipping him

Thats all you need to know about those 2. Other FOs dont think they are more attractive/better than poeltl.

[Shakril]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

We already know that OKC has tried to trade for Poeltl before they went to Hartenstein. Dont know what has been offered or Masai wanted, but Poeltl was definitly sought out.

[Los_29]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

I seriously doubt other FOs are interested in Poeltl over those being younger.
And BPM of Poeltl is only 0.7, while the other 2s are better.

Is that what you’re using? BPM? lol. It’s one stat, it’s not a useless stat but there are clearly tons of oddities.

You’re looking at age. You need to be looking at salary. Claxton isn’t going to start magically hitting threes. He is who he is. Hartenstein is in what? His 6th year? These guys are finished products or close to it and make a lot more money than a player that is better than both of them or at least equal to them.

[arbsn]

Poeltls terrible ft shooting actually helps the tank so unless we are getting a decent pick or young player back I’d hold on to him for now

[Los_29]

Poeltls terrible ft shooting actually helps the tank so unless we are getting a decent pick or young player back I’d hold on to him for now

How does it help our tank? lol. If you look at his overall game, he hurts the tank because he’s a good player.

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Why does this forum have a hard on for trading Poeltl? He's a decent defensive anchor on a reasonable contract. You guys were crying when we didn't have a center on this team a few years ago. FOH

No one has much of an issue with Jak himself, I'm sure we'd all love if he had any range at all, but for what he is that's not the issue.

The want to trade him, is because he will contribute to ultimately meaningless wins that will worsen our potential draft pick. He's unlikely to be a big part of the team when it is ready to compete due to his age, and his contract is solid value, and should be good enough to get a decent return.

If he is the difference between us getting a top 5 pick vs a top 10, I think he definitely needs to go. We are starved for high end talent, and the top 5 of next draft is looking pretty damn good.

[Clutch0z24]

Why does this forum have a hard on for trading Poeltl? He's a decent defensive anchor on a reasonable contract. You guys were crying when we didn't have a center on this team a few years ago. FOH

No one has much of an issue with Jak himself, I'm sure we'd all love if he had any range at all, but for what he is that's not the issue.

The want to trade him, is because he will contribute to ultimately meaningless wins that will worsen our potential draft pick. He's unlikely to be a big part of the team when it is ready to compete due to his age, and his contract is solid value, and should be good enough to get a decent return.

If he is the difference between us getting a top 5 pick vs a top 10, I think he definitely needs to go. We are starved for high end talent, and the top 5 of next draft is looking pretty damn good.

Yep this is another reason you trade him now while his value is high....Its a win/win for us....You get some future draft captial and maybe a prospect to go along with it while also gaining possibly a higher 2025 pick (Which holds 10000000x more value than Yak would ever have)....

Whats the point of holding onto Yak whos not even going to be here long term with BBQ since hes pushing 30 years old....Only for us to be in the draft lottery anyways at the end of the year cause we are not good enough to win with Yak on the team.....And all he did through the year was make our draft odds worse with us drafting at 9-10 instead of 1-5....Make it make sense lol...

Development of Barnes/IQ is what people are throwing around....These players will develop with or without Yak here....If you need Yak to make Barnes/IQ better than why are we paying them?....There will be other Centers that come along through the draft that we could find late lottery or 2nd round...

[Indeed]

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.



They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

I seriously doubt other FOs are interested in Poeltl over those being younger.
And BPM of Poeltl is only 0.7, while the other 2s are better.

Is that what you’re using? BPM? lol. It’s one stat, it’s not a useless stat but there are clearly tons of oddities.

You’re looking at age. You need to be looking at salary. Claxton isn’t going to start magically hitting threes. He is who he is. Hartenstein is in what? His 6th year? These guys are finished products or close to it and make a lot more money than a player that is better than both of them or at least equal to them.

Or you arent even looking at anything to determine Poeltl is better?

[Indeed]

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.



They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

I seriously doubt other FOs are interested in Poeltl over those being younger.
And BPM of Poeltl is only 0.7, while the other 2s are better.

Claxton has been in trade rumours since forever - nobody wants to pay the price
kessler is still on his rookie contract and the Jazz - a rebuilding team - is already shipping him

Thats all you need to know about those 2. Other FOs dont think they are more attractive/better than poeltl.

And San Antonio wasnt looking to trade Poeltl? You sounded like the other 2s are bad, but failed to realize our is worse?