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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#421 » by Dalek » Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:02 pm

Thaddy wrote:I'm interested to see how he looks against other prospects in the Summer League. If it's not a complete disaster he might be playable towards the end of the season although I strongly doubt it.


Good news, SL has 10 fouls so Air Chomche is ready for lift off.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#422 » by dagger » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:09 am

OakleyDokely wrote:If you let Chomche go undrafted, he can select from multiple teams / offers. The Raps would just be one of likely many teams to be interested.

The Raps see potential with him and they paid a pretty small price to gain control over the situation.


Some of those other teams might have offered just the one-year two way. By drafting him they gained the leverage to get him on a two-year two way.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#423 » by Thaddy » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:57 am

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Thaddy wrote:I'm interested to see how he looks against other prospects in the Summer League. If it's not a complete disaster he might be playable towards the end of the season although I strongly doubt it.


Good news, SL has 10 fouls so Air Chomche is ready for lift off.

If he is playing hard it'll lead to mistakes but I think there's a chance he just big dogs everyone with his physical and athletic advantage.
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Post#424 » by Mark_83 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:13 am

This is a good scouting breakdown of Chomche.

He's very raw but he's also very young, the tools are impressive, and as a big man he's not going to be asked to a lot.

All he needs to do to eventually carve out a role is improve his defensive reads and smoothen out his jumper.

He's already a very intuitive shot blocker and energetic rebounder and defender, he just needs better instruction and experience against better competition.

If he does these things he can at least give us what Boucher does eventually. Anything more that he adds just raises his ceiling.

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#425 » by alienchild » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:10 pm

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#426 » by Risk101 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:57 pm

Chomche will split his time between Toronto and the Raptors 905 in the G League. He is eligible to be active for up to 50 games in the NBA and will earn a flat salary equal to 50% of the minimum salary applicable to a player with zero years of service.

https://sports.yahoo.com/raptors-sign-no-57-pick-210710575.html



So he's going to get some games in like Bruno did his 1st season.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#427 » by PoundTown » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:24 pm

Mark_83 wrote:This is a good scouting breakdown of Chomche.

He's very raw but he's also very young, the tools are impressive, and as a big man he's not going to be asked to a lot.

All he needs to do to eventually carve out a role is improve his defensive reads and smoothen out his jumper.

He's already a very intuitive shot blocker and energetic rebounder and defender, he just needs better instruction and experience against better competition.

If he does these things he can at least give us what Boucher does eventually. Anything more that he adds just raises his ceiling.

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I actually really like that comparison now that you mention it. Boucher's game but on a frame much more suited to play the center position. Hopefully, he can move the ball a bit better as well. I remember he had one really nice feed at the Nike Hoop Summitt, but even Precious and Gary made the odd nice pass, so I won't read too much into it. If he can play with Boucher's motor, that'd go along way into making him a solid contributor.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#428 » by Duffman100 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:30 pm

Risk101 wrote:
Chomche will split his time between Toronto and the Raptors 905 in the G League. He is eligible to be active for up to 50 games in the NBA and will earn a flat salary equal to 50% of the minimum salary applicable to a player with zero years of service.

https://sports.yahoo.com/raptors-sign-no-57-pick-210710575.html



So he's going to get some games in like Bruno did his 1st season.


Happy we'll have full control over his development.

I can't see him touching an NBA court unless it's a +/- of 30 point differential.
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Post#429 » by Risk101 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:21 pm

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Chomche will split his time between Toronto and the Raptors 905 in the G League. He is eligible to be active for up to 50 games in the NBA and will earn a flat salary equal to 50% of the minimum salary applicable to a player with zero years of service.

https://sports.yahoo.com/raptors-sign-no-57-pick-210710575.html



So he's going to get some games in like Bruno did his 1st season.


Happy we'll have full control over his development.

I can't see him touching an NBA court unless it's a +/- of 30 point differential.


I honestly believe Masai and management are going to do down the Blazers route and completely tank a quarter into the season.

The 2025 draft looks to be super deep with talent all the way into the teens. If we can get a top 5 pick we can position ourselves to be back in the playoffs by 2026.

Chomche is gonna see plenty of time on the floor this season. I have no doubts about it.
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Post#430 » by MEDIC » Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:46 pm

It would be interesting to have some insight on how the Raptors intend to develop/ support young/ raw international players like this. I think they do a good job of connecting them with the big club (attending games/ supported by NBA players, etc).

Aside from that, what is their daily routine?
How involved are the coaches outside of training/ games?
How do they create life structure similar to what one would get in the NCAA.

Right now I think high end NCAA programs are a better route (than G-League) for young player development. Mostly because of the daily structure that the Universities/ Colleges provide. It's not just about basketball. It's about supporting teenagers to take responsibility & grow/ mature into young men.

I hope they have learned a ton over the years about these situations (Bruno) & have implemented development plans for these kids. It's got to be tough to leave Africa at 18 years old & move half way across the world to a new country with a completely different culture & different climate. Then have to figure your personal & professional life out in 2 to 3 years so that you can continue your journey towards becoming an NBA player. What you do between 18 & 20 years of age will dictate your future.

At least two way players are taking home a solid pay cheque these days, so financial stress shouldn't be one of the issues.
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Post#431 » by TGM » Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:13 pm

It’s crazy how people are criticising the Chomche pick. This guy is the youngest player in the draft and should have been in the 2025 draft. Where he could be a much higher pick. Due to some weird loophole he was eligible this year. Also those comparing him to Bruno. Very different, Bruno was a very clunky prospect with insane physical profile. Chomche is quite coordinated. Especially when watching him bring the ball up the court. It’s very Giannis like. I think under 905 for two years this guy will surprise people
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Post#432 » by HangTime » Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:34 pm

MEDIC wrote:It would be interesting to have some insight on how the Raptors intend to develop/ support young/ raw international players like this. I think they do a good job of connecting them with the big club (attending games/ supported by NBA players, etc).

Aside from that, what is their daily routine?
How involved are the coaches outside of training/ games?
How do they create life structure similar to what one would get in the NCAA.

Right now I think high end NCAA programs are a better route (than G-League) for young player development. Mostly because of the daily structure that the Universities/ Colleges provide. It's not just about basketball. It's about supporting teenagers to take responsibility & grow/ mature into young men.

I hope they have learned a ton over the years about these situations (Bruno) & have implemented development plans for these kids. It's got to be tough to leave Africa at 18 years old & move half way across the world to a new country with a completely different culture & different climate. Then have to figure your personal & professional life out in 2 to 3 years so that you can continue your journey towards becoming an NBA player. What you do between 18 & 20 years of age will dictate your future.

At least two way players are taking home a solid pay cheque these days, so financial stress shouldn't be one of the issues.


I personally think, this is 1000x better route, than the NCAA.

The thing that messed with Bruno, was that the 905 wasn't ready his first season.
He had to be assigned to Fort Wayne, who would only use him as they saw fit.

If Chomche went to the NCAA, they would help develop him, but they'll put their winning ahead of it.

I think we can litterally build the 905 around Chomche. Coaches can keep better tabs on, and he can get a ton of run with whomever needs an assignment, Shead, Walter, Gradey, Mogbo.
Maybe if the 905 are playing, on Raptors off-day, we could assign all four, of these guys to the 905, at the same time, and see what happens.

I think the young development, of the Ignite, didn't work because the intention was to have all the big highschool prospects on one team, who are trying to make NBA rosters the following year.

With Chomche, the development is solely in the Raptors hands.


This is how I wish the NBA would have done "high school to the NBA" in the new era.
Let an NBA team draft the high schooler, and have them spend that first year in the G-leauge.
The difference would be that the first season is an extra year on his contract.
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Post#433 » by earth007 » Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:08 pm

I don't know why, I just have a really good feeling about this pick. I think he is going to surprise us all in about 2 years.
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Post#434 » by alpngso » Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:11 pm

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Post#435 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:20 pm

TGM wrote:It’s crazy how people are criticising the Chomche pick. This guy is the youngest player in the draft and should have been in the 2025 draft. Where he could be a much higher pick. Due to some weird loophole he was eligible this year. Also those comparing him to Bruno. Very different, Bruno was a very clunky prospect with insane physical profile. Chomche is quite coordinated. Especially when watching him bring the ball up the court. It’s very Giannis like. I think under 905 for two years this guy will surprise people


No weird loophole.

Have to be 19 by December 31 of your draft year.

His birthday is December 30.

Made the cut by less than 48 hours.
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Post#436 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:23 pm

alpngso wrote:
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There is a limit to how negative a player will be, so everything -4 and worse was scored as a zero.


He never watched Raptor Jalen McDaniels :lol:
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Post#437 » by MEDIC » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:07 pm

HangTime wrote:
MEDIC wrote:It would be interesting to have some insight on how the Raptors intend to develop/ support young/ raw international players like this. I think they do a good job of connecting them with the big club (attending games/ supported by NBA players, etc).

Aside from that, what is their daily routine?
How involved are the coaches outside of training/ games?
How do they create life structure similar to what one would get in the NCAA.

Right now I think high end NCAA programs are a better route (than G-League) for young player development. Mostly because of the daily structure that the Universities/ Colleges provide. It's not just about basketball. It's about supporting teenagers to take responsibility & grow/ mature into young men.

I hope they have learned a ton over the years about these situations (Bruno) & have implemented development plans for these kids. It's got to be tough to leave Africa at 18 years old & move half way across the world to a new country with a completely different culture & different climate. Then have to figure your personal & professional life out in 2 to 3 years so that you can continue your journey towards becoming an NBA player. What you do between 18 & 20 years of age will dictate your future.

At least two way players are taking home a solid pay cheque these days, so financial stress shouldn't be one of the issues.


I personally think, this is 1000x better route, than the NCAA.

The thing that messed with Bruno, was that the 905 wasn't ready his first season.
He had to be assigned to Fort Wayne, who would only use him as they saw fit.

If Chomche went to the NCAA, they would help develop him, but they'll put their winning ahead of it.

I think we can litterally build the 905 around Chomche. Coaches can keep better tabs on, and he can get a ton of run with whomever needs an assignment, Shead, Walter, Gradey, Mogbo.
Maybe if the 905 are playing, on Raptors off-day, we could assign all four, of these guys to the 905, at the same time, and see what happens.

I think the young development, of the Ignite, didn't work because the intention was to have all the big highschool prospects on one team, who are trying to make NBA rosters the following year.

With Chomche, the development is solely in the Raptors hands.


I think in theory the Gleague team SHOULD and CAN be a better option. I just haven't seen any evidence of it.

Would Edey be a better player after 4 years in the Gleague rather than Purdue? I am not so sure.

Did Scoot Henderson benefit more from the Gleague? His rookie season didn't suggest that. But we will never truly know.

Another problem with the Gleague is many organizations lack "team" culture. Coaches changing constantly, players changing constantly, ball hogs. Too much freeballing rather than sticking to a structured offense or defense. I would love to see the NCAA champions play the Gleague champions each season. I think UConn (or any of the top programs) would easily beat any Gleague team.

It would be interesting to know which team runs the most extensive development proogram for young players. It might be the Raptors. This group of youngsters will be a good test. There are 5 new players that have the talent to be NBA players on some level. They need to allocate some major resources towards the 905 over the next couple of seasons. Their rebuilding plan relies heavily on these kids getting a lot better over the next 3 seasons.
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Post#438 » by 2019nbachamps » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:19 am

Risk101 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Risk101 wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/raptors-sign-no-57-pick-210710575.html



So he's going to get some games in like Bruno did his 1st season.


Happy we'll have full control over his development.

I can't see him touching an NBA court unless it's a +/- of 30 point differential.


I honestly believe Masai and management are going to do down the Blazers route and completely tank a quarter into the season.

The 2025 draft looks to be super deep with talent all the way into the teens. If we can get a top 5 pick we can position ourselves to be back in the playoffs by 2026.

Chomche is gonna see plenty of time on the floor this season. I have no doubts about it.


I doubt we’re doing a full tank. Masai has never done that before. It’s also going to come down to ping pong balls. Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Bulls, Nets, Blazers, Spurs, Hawks, Jazz will all be bad.
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Post#439 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:28 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:
Risk101 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Happy we'll have full control over his development.

I can't see him touching an NBA court unless it's a +/- of 30 point differential.


I honestly believe Masai and management are going to do down the Blazers route and completely tank a quarter into the season.

The 2025 draft looks to be super deep with talent all the way into the teens. If we can get a top 5 pick we can position ourselves to be back in the playoffs by 2026.

Chomche is gonna see plenty of time on the floor this season. I have no doubts about it.


I doubt we’re doing a full tank. Masai has never done that before. It’s also going to come down to ping pong balls. Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Bulls, Nets, Blazers, Spurs, Hawks, Jazz will all be bad.


Out of all the bad teams we sit in the middle imo ....I predict Spurs/Hawks/Jazz will be better than us....Hornets/Blazers/Pistons will have sim records to us Wizards/Bulls/Nets are the 3 teams i don't think we could out tank....But we are right in the mix at least to get a top 5 pick depending how things play out...
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Post#440 » by Scase » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:31 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
2019nbachamps wrote:
Risk101 wrote:
I honestly believe Masai and management are going to do down the Blazers route and completely tank a quarter into the season.

The 2025 draft looks to be super deep with talent all the way into the teens. If we can get a top 5 pick we can position ourselves to be back in the playoffs by 2026.

Chomche is gonna see plenty of time on the floor this season. I have no doubts about it.


I doubt we’re doing a full tank. Masai has never done that before. It’s also going to come down to ping pong balls. Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Bulls, Nets, Blazers, Spurs, Hawks, Jazz will all be bad.


Out of all the bad teams we sit in the middle imo ....I predict Spurs/Hawks/Jazz will be better than us....Hornets/Blazers/Pistons will have sim records to us Wizards/Bulls/Nets are the 3 teams i don't think we could out tank....But we are right in the mix at least to get a top 5 pick depending how things play out...

Or right in the mix to get the 8/9/10th, sadly.
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