Lebron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history

[brackdan70]

I never really thought of him as overrated. Certainly not underrated though. Much of the OP is true but with a negative spin.
For most of his whole career aside from his youth, teens and early 20s in Cleveland, and now, the path to the championship ran through him, wherever he was. Some MVPs and championships and how many 1st team NBAs.
He is considered one of the top 3 players of all time by almost everyone. I still favor Jordan myself, but I don’t see LBJ as over rated.
Guys like Harden, Carmelo, etc are over rated.

[HighFlyer23]

Actually he is 4/10 while cheating on the exam and having two out of his four points given to him

He cannot be goat or even #2 when there are people who lead their team with winning records in the finals

Guy reached finals 10 times, trully a loser.

Overall, disregarding LeBron James, this would be interesting thread, no a negative one, who was overrated athlete ever? It probably has to be someone from English Football National Team.

And lost 6 of them was gifted 2 and won one Disney world title.

Lebron is the most overrated athlete ever.

If you want to remove him then I'm not sure ... But being called GOAT or #2 with that resume and those flaws and black marks?

No

[ballzboyee]

Both are true. Great player but his career has been somewhat curated by the league in its quest to manufacture the next Jordan.

[UcanUwill]

Actually he is 4/10 while cheating on the exam and having two out of his four points given to him

He cannot be goat or even #2 when there are people who lead their team with winning records in the finals

Guy reached finals 10 times, trully a loser.

Overall, disregarding LeBron James, this would be interesting thread, no a negative one, who was overrated athlete ever? It probably has to be someone from English Football National Team.

And lost 6 of them was gifted 2 and won one Disney world title.

Lebron is the most overrated athlete ever.

If you want to remove him then I'm not sure ... But being called GOAT or #2 with that resume and those flaws and black marks?

No

He lost some finals he could have and maybe should have won, we win at least one he had no business of winning. And he dragged some undeserving teams to the finals in the first place. He is good. I am not sure what GOAT means, to me, Lebron is undoubtfully best player I have ever seen, but is he greatest? To me, someone like Bill Russell is greatest, I do not think he is best, but how is he not greatest, how do you greater Bill Russell? Guy played at same exact time when another player of his exact position, was averaging 50 points, but Bill was still considered the better player... Whould I rather have Bill over Wilt if they appeared at age 25 today, no, I would rather have Wilt myself, but Bill is still a greater player, thats just history.

Also, its 2024, crapping on Disney championship is old, all the criticism was made and disregarded, not counting the bubble championship still, is just a self sabotage take at this point.

[Sealab2024]

LeBron James: drafted 2003. 8,162 career playoff points scored.

Minnesota timberwolves organization: founded 1989. 7715 career playoff points scored.

I don't like the guy on a personal level, but he's one of the very best to ever do it. Period, end of story.

[HighFlyer23]

Guy reached finals 10 times, trully a loser.

Overall, disregarding LeBron James, this would be interesting thread, no a negative one, who was overrated athlete ever? It probably has to be someone from English Football National Team.

And lost 6 of them was gifted 2 and won one Disney world title.

Lebron is the most overrated athlete ever.

If you want to remove him then I'm not sure ... But being called GOAT or #2 with that resume and those flaws and black marks?

No

He lost some finals he could have and maybe should have won, we win at least one he had no business of winning. And he dragged some undeserving teams to the finals in the first place. He is good. I am not sure what GOAT means, to me, Lebron is undoubtfully best player I have ever seen, but is he greatest? To me, someone like Bill Russell is greatest, I do not think he is best, but how is he not greatest, how do you greater Bill Russell? Guy played at same exact time when another player of his exact position, was averaging 50 points, but Bill was still considered the better player... Whould I rather have Bill over Wilt if they appeared at age 25 today, no, I would rather have Wilt myself, but Bill is still a greater player, thats just history.

Also, its 2024, crapping on Disney championship is old, all the criticism was made and disregarded, not counting the bubble championship still, is just a self sabotage take at this point.

I've watched his entire career. There were times where he was the best player in the NBA and there have been times where he is not. He never had a run where he was the absolute undisputed top man for multiple consecutive seasons. He never asserted his will like MJ and made sure his team came out on top when it mattered. He is still not a good shooter and takes plays off. Defensively he's just OK but has potential when he puts in effort. He doesn't perform well overall during pressure situations at the end of games. This is his greatest flaw.

In 2007 he took an undeserving team there, I will agree to that.

2011 he absolutely collapsed and honestly took himself out candidacy for being the best or greatest.

2012 he got the job done. He had to join another top 5 player and along with another top 25 player via collusion and it took them a season to finally win at that, if we put it in context. He should have won that.

2013 went life and death with old San Antonio team. Performance was OK overall nothing amazing. Ray Allen capitalized on his missed 3 point attempt and saved him. Ultimately he could have lost here .

2014 lost ton an old San Antonio team. He should have won but failed.

2015 lost to an all time GS Warriors team. They were a great team but Lebron also had a great team in Cleveland. If he's the GOAT to let's say MJ standards he should have won this series and captured this championship. So yes he should have won this if we put him at the standard Jordan set.

2016 Kyrie Irving saved him here but I'll give him credit. He beat an all time GS team.

2017-2018 lost to possibly the greatest team in history. I'll give him a pass here. He doesn't get docked anything major here.

2020 won his fourth ring.

[Roy T]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

His roid game is GOAT level ngl

[Kingdibs19]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

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You seem to have a very loose definition of "facts" for a mod here...

He always posts and supports Lebron hate but gets away with it cause he’s got the “global mod” shield. Imagine thinking OP’s posts was anything but trolling.

[Kingdibs19]

I mean this is clearly not a post by a rational person interested in healthy debate. And kinda shocking that a global mod reads his OP and goes “hmm, this is full of facts and logic”.

Truly absurd. But hey “global mod” co-signs it so.

[UcanUwill]

And lost 6 of them was gifted 2 and won one Disney world title.

Lebron is the most overrated athlete ever.

If you want to remove him then I'm not sure ... But being called GOAT or #2 with that resume and those flaws and black marks?

No

He lost some finals he could have and maybe should have won, we win at least one he had no business of winning. And he dragged some undeserving teams to the finals in the first place. He is good. I am not sure what GOAT means, to me, Lebron is undoubtfully best player I have ever seen, but is he greatest? To me, someone like Bill Russell is greatest, I do not think he is best, but how is he not greatest, how do you greater Bill Russell? Guy played at same exact time when another player of his exact position, was averaging 50 points, but Bill was still considered the better player... Whould I rather have Bill over Wilt if they appeared at age 25 today, no, I would rather have Wilt myself, but Bill is still a greater player, thats just history.

Also, its 2024, crapping on Disney championship is old, all the criticism was made and disregarded, not counting the bubble championship still, is just a self sabotage take at this point.

I've watched his entire career. There were times where he was the best player in the NBA and there have been times where he is not. He never had a run where he was the absolute undisputed top man for multiple consecutive seasons. He never asserted his will like MJ and made sure his team came out on top when it mattered. He is still not a good shooter and takes plays off. Defensively he's just OK but has potential when he puts in effort. He doesn't perform well overall during pressure situations at the end of games. This is his greatest flaw.

In 2007 he took an undeserving team there, I will agree to that.

2011 he absolutely collapsed and honestly took himself out candidacy for being the best or greatest.

2012 he got the job done. He had to join another top 5 player and along with another top 25 player via collusion and it took them a season to finally win at that, if we put it in context. He should have won that.

2013 went life and death with old San Antonio team. Performance was OK overall nothing amazing. Ray Allen capitalized on his missed 3 point attempt and saved him. Ultimately he could have lost here .

2014 lost ton an old San Antonio team. He should have won but failed.

2015 lost to an all time GS Warriors team. They were a great team but Lebron also had a great team in Cleveland. If he's the GOAT to let's say MJ standards he should have won this series and captured this championship. So yes he should have won this if we put him at the standard Jordan set.

2016 Kyrie Irving saved him here but I'll give him credit. He beat an all time GS team.

2017-2018 lost to possibly the greatest team in history. I'll give him a pass here. He doesn't get docked anything major here.

2020 won his fourth ring.

I disagree in some key areas. Ever from 2007 to like 2020, he was undoubtfully best player in the world. Maybe people can argue 2007 is too soon, I think its not, but ever from 10-20 he was best player in the world and there really was no debate at all. Some tried to get cute by adding Kawhi or Durant to the mix, but it was never a serious conversation. He was undoubtfully best player in the world for at least ten years. Also, while on heat, he was serious DPOY candidate, so saying he was not elite defender is just another lie. Also, I used to think he was one of the least clutch players in the entire league anti clutch, but since 2010 he had countless great clutch perfornances both in the NBA and FIBA.

His 2011 is trully an outlier where he was afwul, no way around it, and his critics will always have that, but in 20 years, it always was an outlier. I hate revisionist historians now saying - nah, Dallas were the favorites. - Man, I agree HEAT had no depth, but they had zero business losing that finals. Dirk just clowned their entire team, and I thought James learned some humility from that experiencing, mocking Dirks illness in press conference, days before Dirk would finish them off, but seeing what happened this year with his son, I conclude that James family simply has no shame.

Do not get it wrong, I am not a James fanboy, but I hate untruths, and truth is, Lebron James was best player in the world, easily, and for at least 10 years, more in my opinion.

[Slim Tubby]

LeBron is top 2 all time. It's hard to discredit a guy for not winning titles when you look at some of the teams he had to face. MJ never played a team at the caliber of the Durant Warriors.

Could he have one or two more titles? Sure I guess. His longevity is absolutely unprecedented and one of the reasons he may have to put at #1 all time. And I'm a huge Jordan guy.

I can't imagine saying pshhh stats?? We just gonna talk about his stats? C'mon what do stats prove??

Uh...his stats provided him with like 10 championship opportunities a few of which he had no business being there but he dragged his team there anyway.

The majority of people don't think he is top 2

The idea that any Bron Fanboy could convince themselves that he ranks higher than legendary winners the likes of Wilt, Russell, Elgin, Magic, KAJ and Larry Bird is nothing short of media brainwashing.

Bron is Top 10 but I will never think of him as the ultimate winner or even remotely close to being the GOAT. He does nudge by KD as the biggest "joiner" in professional sports history, though.



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[JustBuzzin]

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

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You seem to have a very loose definition of "facts" for a mod here...

He always posts and supports Lebron hate but gets away with it cause he’s got the “global mod” shield. Imagine thinking OP’s posts was anything but trolling.

[JonFromVA]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

Hey, moderate your board however you want, but the OP's post is a classic troll post.

The best trolls (which I'm not claiming the 'op' is anywhere in that league) combine facts while attempting to adhere to board policies, but the goal is always the same. The troll (and possibly cronies) stir the pot and sit back and laugh at the idiotic responses they get to their idiotic post.

If a troll can get someone else banned for attacking them, all the better; but if RealGM needs the page hits ... by all means.

[Iwasawitness]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

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There's no way I just saw a global mod read this post, and conclude that it's filled with "nothing but facts".

How the hell could you possibly think this? Did you even read the post?

Fails in Cleveland for 7 years

No one in their right mind blames LeBron for his first seven years in Cleveland, but I'm going to take this one step further and make a bold claim: I don't think he actually failed in Cleveland. Sure, he didn't win a championship, which was the ultimate goal, but he most certainly overachieved given the circumstances. An NBA Finals trip, multiple conference finals appearances and multiple 60 win seasons despite never at any point having a reliable all star teammate. In the real world, if you are doing more (and in this case MUCH more) with less, you've succeeded. And in this case, LeBron definitely did that.

then colludes to create a super team just to win 2 titles and one of them by being completely saved by Ray Allen. Claims at least 8 titles and delivers on 2. And barely at that.

This is factually incorrect. If you're following the actual sequence of events that occurred during that timeline, LeBron didn't collude at all. Even when Chris Bosh joined the Miami Heat and the opening was there for LeBron to do it, he still resisted at first and wasn't sure what to do. His original intent was always to stay in Cleveland, only choosing to leave when all the other free agent options chose not to go there. There's even the story of LeBron trying to get Bosh to come to Cleveland instead of Miami and Bosh outright telling him no. You can't say he colluded when the guy he tried getting on his team told him off. You can say he TRIED, that's fair I guess. But he didn't succeed. Colluding to create a super team implies their plan was to all go to Miami together. That wasn't the case.

Oh and by the way, you can see clearly what the OP's objective is. There's no real attempt to have a constructive, well thought out post about LBJ. His attempt to frame his post in a way to make LeBron look weak and hope people will blindly suck it up. Looks like he succeeded with you. Shame.

Then goes back to Cleveland and gets saved by Kyrie Irving for another title.

This right here should kill all of his credibility. This right here makes me question whether or not you actually even read what he said and are just assuming the OP actually made a decent post. Saved by Kyrie Irving? The only people I've ever seen make this claim are some of the biggest trolls this site has ever had, and even then that's a select few. Kyrie Irving's three pointer happened when the game was TIED. Not when the Warriors were up by two, not when they were up by one, TIED. In what way did Kyrie Irving save LeBron? Do we even acknowledge the fact that LeBron scored their previous seven points? Or the fact that LeBron stopped GS from taking the lead with "the block"? Or the fact that Kyrie Irving himself outright stated that LeBron's block was more important than his three? Irving saved LeBron... that's a load of bull **** and you know it.

"BuT i SeE nOtHiNg BuT fAcTs"

Bro, what.

Then goes to LA to win a Mickey Mouse exhibition title and has his company relentlessly promote him as the greatest player of all time.

This is, admittingly, a big pet peeve of mine. It's what I like to call "the copy and paste" syndrome. Basically, you're just parroting what other people incorrectly state a long time ago. I've wasted so much time explaining why trying to devalue one of the hardest championships to ever win as a "micky mouse title" is idiotic. I'm not doing that again. There's enough stuff here to complain about.

20 years in the NBA and this guy has no go to move except to complain to the refs.

This is the first and so far only valid thing he's actually said. LeBron has spent at least 30% of his playing time complaining to refs. Now to be fair, LeBron never got the so called superstar treatment that other players do, and given his well known sense of entitlement, I can see why he'd be offended. But it doesn't make it any less annoying.

Empty inflated stats and a manufactured legacy. What kind of GOAT candidate fails on a super team? And to the pension collecting San Antonio Spurs and the massive underdog Dallas Mavericks.

Super teams aren't the end all be all. They aren't guaranteed paths to success. I would have thought the last few years where we've seen countless super teams not only fail, but not even make the finals, would be evidence of this. But again, I don't expect logic from people like you. There's a reason why in two of the four finals Miami went to with James, their opponents were actually favored to win. Those Miami superteams, apart from 2013, weren't all that great.

Massive underdog Dallas Mavericks?

The 2004 Detroit Pistons were massive underdogs. Calling the Dallas Mavericks massive underdogs is a stretch, not to mention the data says otherwise.

Miami was -180 to win that series, while Dallas was +160. Nothing about that says massive favorites or massive underdogs. Not to mention, Dallas was 2-0 against Miami in the regular season, and in both cases, LeBron struggled to generate offense. I know to people who lack critical thinking skills, this doesn't mean much, but to those who paid attention and actually try being objective? This says more about how much better Dallas was than people gave them credit for, which blows my mind considering how they swept the Lakers and gentlemen swept the Thunder. I still to this day don't know how or why they were underdogs in the first place.

And pension collecting Spurs? The 2014 Spurs are considered by many to be the best team Tim Duncan ever played on. They were favored to beat Miami and there's a reason for that.

Again, no objectivity whatsoever in this post.

And his biggest achievement of all. Getting completely humiliated and embarrassed by bench warmer Jason Terry and 5 foot 8 inches tall JJ Barea on the underdog Dallas Mavericks in the 2011 NBA finals where he FAILED harder than any superstar in sports history.

Again, mr mod, in what way does this qualify as "all facts"? JJ Barea 5'8? What the **** is this? This is really what you endorse? Outright lies and utter nonsense? How are you a mod?

Oh and by the way, JJ Barea embarrassing LeBron is a myth. I'm convinced that every single person who's ever made that claim didn't watch the actual series. They just saw the infamous picture (a picture where JJ literally did nothing defensively in that play) and bought into the narrative.

Also also, failed harder than any superstar in sports history? I think Kobe and Shaq losing to actual massive underdogs in the Pistons in 2004 is a bigger failure, but since we're including all sports...

Tom Brady's first superbowl loss came when his team was 18-0 and it was against the wild card Giants led by Peyton Manning's less talented brother. That's a far greater failure than LeBron losing to a superior team.

Sure, you'll probably never find a more disappointing performance, but in terms of greatest failure? There are far more out there.

He's not even top 10. I can name 15-20 players who would perform better than lebron if they were substituted in his place on the teams he was on.

Okay no. I'm not continuing with this. The point has been proven and this is the cherry on top. The last time we had someone try to claim he wasn't even top ten, we had to sit here and watch him try to explain why Isiah **** Thomas was a better player than him. I'm not having it.

HMFFL, to even try to paint this as a truthful post should be grounds for trolling. I don't understand how you could have possibly came to this conclusion after reading all of this. The post is filled with nothing but lies, exaggerations and debunked myths. Nothing but facts. What a load of ****.

[JonFromVA]

Both are true. Great player but his career has been somewhat curated by the league in its quest to manufacture the next Jordan.

I wish. The one thing I hoped when the Cavs drafted LeBron is that finally we'd have a player who'd get every whistle from the refs when he needed it like they did for Jordan. He get some favorable whistles, but his bad shooting games never would have been a problem if he could just have just driven in to defenders and gotten calls like Mike.

The refs blatantly swallowed their whistle on him because of his size - they often deemed obvious contact to be "incidental".

[Iwasawitness]

If I posted this topic I’d be banned for life.

I bet you won't.

[homecourtloss]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

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You seem to have a very loose definition of "facts" for a mod here...

Very strange indeed.

[nikster]

LeBron is top 2 all time. It's hard to discredit a guy for not winning titles when you look at some of the teams he had to face. MJ never played a team at the caliber of the Durant Warriors.

Could he have one or two more titles? Sure I guess. His longevity is absolutely unprecedented and one of the reasons he may have to put at #1 all time. And I'm a huge Jordan guy.

I can't imagine saying pshhh stats?? We just gonna talk about his stats? C'mon what do stats prove??

Uh...his stats provided him with like 10 championship opportunities a few of which he had no business being there but he dragged his team there anyway.

The majority of people don't think he is top 2

The idea that any Bron Fanboy could convince themselves that he ranks higher than legendary winners the likes of Wilt, Russell, Elgin, Magic, KAJ and Larry Bird is nothing short of media brainwashing.

Bron is Top 10 but I will never think of him as the ultimate winner or even remotely close to being the GOAT. He does nudge by KD as the biggest "joiner" in professional sports history, though.



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Elgin and Wilt as "winners"?

[Sofia]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Whatis posted is all facts

In the history of all sports on any level this fraud is the most overrated

It's 7:34 am

Bro you ain't cook breakfast?

Breakfast cooked him apparently

[Wingy]

LeBron James: drafted 2003. 8,162 career playoff points scored.

Minnesota timberwolves organization: founded 1989. 7715 career playoff points scored.

I don't like the guy on a personal level, but he's one of the very best to ever do it. Period, end of story.

This is what we do now that the GOAT thread is stickied and people are getting more “publicly shamed” for them. You slip in these not sly at all versions to knock a guy down.

I’m a Jordan guy all day, and this thread is dumb.