Moving John Collins

The Beam King · Post #1 » by **The Beam King** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:45 pm

How many picks will it take to move off of John Collins contract?

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:46 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:How many picks will it take to move off of John Collins contract?

Depends on what you're looking for in exchange

The Beam King · Post #3 » by **The Beam King** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:47 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:How many picks will it take to move off of John Collins contract?

Depends on what you're looking for in exchange

Let's say a starter/rotational piece is coming back in return.

Post #4 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:49 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:How many picks will it take to move off of John Collins contract?

Depends on what you're looking for in exchange

Let's say a starter/rotational piece is coming back in return.

I mean, I'd trade him for Herro and a pick. Could even be permanently lottery protected

OGSactownballer · Post #5 » by **OGSactownballer** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:55 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Depends on what you're looking for in exchange

Let's say a starter/rotational piece is coming back in return.

I mean, I'd trade him for Herro and a pick. Could even be permanently lottery protected

I think you misunderstood the question.

It’s how many picks will it cost UTAH to move off Collins’?

He’s at a number that is far beyond any potential value and nobody is just going to absorb that without compensation.

Post #6 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:57 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:Let's say a starter/rotational piece is coming back in return.

I mean, I'd trade him for Herro and a pick. Could even be permanently lottery protected

I think you misunderstood the question.

It’s how many picks will it cost UTAH to move off Collins’?

He’s at a number that is far beyond any potential value and nobody is just going to absorb that without compensation.

Sorry, I misspoke. I want a pick from Utah. Hell, I'd make the trade for a couple of seconds. I just want to move off of Herro

ChettheJet · Post #7 » by **ChettheJet** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:01 pm

a couple of Bulls' options no need to include picks just take back somebody.

pretty much straight up find one of the teams that needs a center MEM, SAC etc get what you find acceptable from them send Collins to the Bulls and team 3 takes Nikola Vucevic.

Send Collins to the Bulls find a third team to take Zach Lavine, have the Jazz and team 3 move around a bunch of unwanted contracts

Every team is bucking up against some tax threshold, that's the blending of old contracts and the new CBA. Teams can't make contracts or players just disappear so the days of making some tanking team a dumping ground for money are gone because bad teams don't want to pay a tax when they're losing

OGSactownballer · Post #8 » by **OGSactownballer** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:02 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I mean, I'd trade him for Herro and a pick. Could even be permanently lottery protected

I think you misunderstood the question.

It’s how many picks will it cost UTAH to move off Collins’?

He’s at a number that is far beyond any potential value and nobody is just going to absorb that without compensation.

Sorry, I misspoke. I want a pick from Utah. Hell, I'd make the trade for a couple of seconds. I just want to move off of Herro

You guys have the same problem with Herro that Utah has with Collins and we had with Barnes. They are very much rotational players and can be a starter in a team (like where they are) that has no other option at their positions.

But ultimately they are overpaid for what they are and you really want them coming off the bench so you can optimize their occasional performance and not suffer from thermoelectric inconsistency or lack of abilities as a full time starter.

In-N-Out 247 · Post #9 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:05 pm

I don't think it is worth any assets for Utah to move Collins. They are well below the salary floor and they have to pay somebody. He'll continue to be a great tank commander for them. Then next year he'll be good salary filler for a bigger trade if they can find a deal.

Post #10 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:06 pm

Detroit will give you THJ for Collins and a 2025 FRP

Astaluego · Post #11 » by **Astaluego** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:07 pm

NOP
In:Collins/Russ/Reddish
Out:CJ

JAZZ
In: Vincent/Coffey/Tucker(Cut)
Out:Collins

LAKERS
In:CJ
Out:Vincent/Russell/Reddish

CLIPPERS
In:Russell
Out:Tucker/Coffey/Russ

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:50 pm

There are Cavs fans who would move Niang and an expiring LeVert for him. I'm not one of them.

I think that Kessler, Collins, + for Ingram is the move if the Jazz no longer want tank.

Post #13 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:42 pm

Jazz have zero reason to give up draft assets to move him.

I would not mind bundling him with a couple seconds for Herro though if Miami was interested.

Post #14 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:43 pm

I think Ingram is an interesting option for the Jazz. Sort of a record scratch reversal in direction, but I would not be surprised that Ainge would pull the trigger on Ingram if he thought he was paying cents on the dollar.

Post #15 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:56 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think Ingram is an interesting option for the Jazz. Sort of a record scratch reversal in direction, but I would not be surprised that Ainge would pull the trigger on Ingram if he thought he was paying cents on the dollar.

With Ingram, it’s not about acquiring him, it’s giving him a max extension. Is Utah ready to do that?

Post #16 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:56 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Jazz have zero reason to give up draft assets to move him.

I would not mind bundling him with a couple seconds for Herro though if Miami was interested.

This Heat fan is down for it.

babyjax13 · Post #17 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:58 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:How many picks will it take to move off of John Collins contract?

Depends on what you're looking for in exchange

Let's say a starter/rotational piece is coming back in return.

Why would we want to attach assets to Collins to move him? When we had the 29th pick in the draft that made some sense, but I think he just stays unless a team gas equally bad money. Can't imagine attaching assets to get a rotation player, we want to suck this year and next so as to not convey our pick and hopefully get a franchise player.

bgrep14 · Post #18 » by **bgrep14** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:13 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I mean, I'd trade him for Herro and a pick. Could even be permanently lottery protected

I think you misunderstood the question.

It’s how many picks will it cost UTAH to move off Collins’?

He’s at a number that is far beyond any potential value and nobody is just going to absorb that without compensation.

Sorry, I misspoke. I want a pick from Utah. Hell, I'd make the trade for a couple of seconds. I just want to move off of Herro

I'd happily trade Niang and Lavert for Herro

BlazersBroncos · Post #19 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:15 pm

I think Collins + 3 SRP for Herro is a great deal for both sides. The spacing Collins brings to MIA would really be a godsend IMO.

G - Terry Rozier / Alec Burks
G - Jamie Jacquez JR / Josh Richardson / Pelle Larsson
F - Jimmy Butler / Duncan Robinson / Haywood Highsmith
F - John Collins / Nikola Jovic / Haywood Highsmith
C - Bam Abedayo / Kel'el Ware / Kevin Love

HadAnEffectHere · Post #20 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:16 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Jazz have zero reason to give up draft assets to move him.

I would not mind bundling him with a couple seconds for Herro though if Miami was interested.

The Jazz should move him just because they need to not play him any minutes to rebuild Kessler's trade value.

If Hardy is willing to bench Collins and play him no minutes, that's fine, but Hardy is a really terrible coach and would be way too afraid to do that.