Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[Shaffty]

I still think the most realistic best case Bucks scenario right now would be getting Trent, Jr. on the minimum.

Dame
Trent, Jr.
Middleton
Giannis
Lopez

I can get behind that starting 5.

He turned down Denver’s min salary offer maybe he’ll accept ours. I bet Horst is trying to dump Pat to open up more money for our offer

would you use the 2031 1st to do this?

[bucksfansince88]

I still think the most realistic best case Bucks scenario right now would be getting Trent, Jr. on the minimum.

Dame
Trent, Jr.
Middleton
Giannis
Lopez

I can get behind that starting 5.

He turned down Denver’s min salary offer maybe he’ll accept ours. I bet Horst is trying to dump Pat to open up more money for our offer

would you use the 2031 1st to do this?

No way! if Im using that 1st its gotta be for a guy that we can see being apart of our core over the next 2-3 years.. a young but impactful window extender.

[Shaffty]

He turned down Denver’s min salary offer maybe he’ll accept ours. I bet Horst is trying to dump Pat to open up more money for our offer

would you use the 2031 1st to do this?

No way! if Im using that 1st its gotta be for a guy that we can see being apart of our core over the next 2-3 years.. a young but impactful window extender.

thats probably the only way you could dump Pat in a trade that clears enough salary. You would have to pay the team to take him in that way.

[MiltownMadness]

I still put Prince over P.J. Washington and everyone gushed over him. Prince has similar size strength defensively but is a high quality shooter.

That’s a pretty hot take. Prince is a lot closer to Semi Ojeleye than he is PJ Washington.

Washington did not have this reputation when he was on the Hornets

[Frank Nova]

What about the 2031 2nd? Can’t we use that to dump Pat or that’s not valuable enough? 2/18 with a player option, I’m still standing behind he opts out of, shouldn’t be some poison pill we can’t get out of. The 2031 1st can only go out if a real upgrade is coming back. Trent over Pat is an upgrade but not substantial enough.

[MiltownMadness]

Put me in the group that would be shocked to see this team finish in the top 10 defensively this season. I'm just not sure where the improvement on the perimeter is going to come from

Maybe just maybe not having a coach overhauling everything midseason will help. It's not a crazy thought

[MiltownMadness]

It's worth mentioning this team was every bit as bad in March and April as they were in Oct, Nov and December.

Yes, we were unlearning 5 months of bad habits. The notion that you have to take last seasons coaching situation at face value is dishonest at best

Also we had Dame/Beas defending the perimeter 30 mins a game last season. Replacing Beas with an average defender could slide you up 5 spots on the defensive end

There's a disconnect with people who see the room for internal improvements, and those who ignore it. Ignoring it is too blatant for me, there will be improvements just by virtue of Dame/GA/KM having time for cohesion and Doc able to install a defense in training camp. Say what you want about Doc but he often gets his teams in a pretty good spot on the defensive end in the RS

[Badgerlander]

would you use the 2031 1st to do this?

No way! if Im using that 1st its gotta be for a guy that we can see being apart of our core over the next 2-3 years.. a young but impactful window extender.

thats probably the only way you could dump Pat in a trade that clears enough salary. You would have to pay the team to take him in that way.

Trent is a bench player slightly better than Prince. Not wasting an asset to give him the tpmle

[The Wet Whistle]

Does Fultz make any kind of sense as the 5th starter? Obviously being a non shooter hurts, but does the guard defense make up for this? Or nah? Can't say I watched enough of Orlando to have a good read on him

[Badgerlander]

Does Fultz make any kind of sense as the 5th starter? Obviously being a non shooter hurts, but does the guard defense make up for this? Or nah? Can't say I watched enough of Orlando to have a good read on him

I think if he could stay healthy I’d rather have had him on the minimum than Delon, but thats a big if and we will see what he gets for a contract

[fansinceforever]

It's worth mentioning this team was every bit as bad in March and April as they were in Oct, Nov and December.

Yes, we were unlearning 5 months of bad habits. The notion that you have to take last seasons coaching situation at face value is dishonest at best

Also we had Dame/Beas defending the perimeter 30 mins a game last season. Replacing Beas with an average defender could slide you up 5 spots on the defensive end

There's a disconnect with people who see the room for internal improvements, and those who ignore it. Ignoring it is too blatant for me, there will be improvements just by virtue of Dame/GA/KM having time for cohesion and Doc able to install a defense in training camp. Say what you want about Doc but he often gets his teams in a pretty good spot on the defensive end in the RS

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

[MiltownMadness]

It's worth mentioning this team was every bit as bad in March and April as they were in Oct, Nov and December.

Yes, we were unlearning 5 months of bad habits. The notion that you have to take last seasons coaching situation at face value is dishonest at best

Also we had Dame/Beas defending the perimeter 30 mins a game last season. Replacing Beas with an average defender could slide you up 5 spots on the defensive end

There's a disconnect with people who see the room for internal improvements, and those who ignore it. Ignoring it is too blatant for me, there will be improvements just by virtue of Dame/GA/KM having time for cohesion and Doc able to install a defense in training camp. Say what you want about Doc but he often gets his teams in a pretty good spot on the defensive end in the RS

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

[ReasonablySober]

Yes, we were unlearning 5 months of bad habits. The notion that you have to take last seasons coaching situation at face value is dishonest at best

Also we had Dame/Beas defending the perimeter 30 mins a game last season. Replacing Beas with an average defender could slide you up 5 spots on the defensive end

There's a disconnect with people who see the room for internal improvements, and those who ignore it. Ignoring it is too blatant for me, there will be improvements just by virtue of Dame/GA/KM having time for cohesion and Doc able to install a defense in training camp. Say what you want about Doc but he often gets his teams in a pretty good spot on the defensive end in the RS

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

Again, Khris played almost exclusively on Negative lineups last season.

[MiltownMadness]

People see Khris is slow and assume he tanks teams defensively. They forget he is long, always in the right spot, directs others, can d-up big wings very well, knows when to foul, etc....

[MiltownMadness]

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

Again, Khris played almost exclusively on Negative lineups last season.

The team was better with Khris defensively, and Khris played mostly when AG was here. And you've misread stats like 3x in the past week so I'd like to take it from someone else

[ReasonablySober]

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

Again, Khris played almost exclusively on Negative lineups last season.

The team was better with Khris defensively, and Khris played mostly when AG was here. And you've misread stats like 3x in the past week so I'd like to take it from someone else

Read them yourself.

Hit Control-F "Middleton". Count on the first page how in six of the seven lineups he's playing with a Net Negative.

[fansinceforever]

Yes, we were unlearning 5 months of bad habits. The notion that you have to take last seasons coaching situation at face value is dishonest at best

Also we had Dame/Beas defending the perimeter 30 mins a game last season. Replacing Beas with an average defender could slide you up 5 spots on the defensive end

There's a disconnect with people who see the room for internal improvements, and those who ignore it. Ignoring it is too blatant for me, there will be improvements just by virtue of Dame/GA/KM having time for cohesion and Doc able to install a defense in training camp. Say what you want about Doc but he often gets his teams in a pretty good spot on the defensive end in the RS

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

Honestly, it's Friday. I don't want to get into a back and forth about on/off stats, who Khris played alongside, etc.

The Bucks' defense is bad. Let's see if training camp, two minimum guys and internal development does anything about that.

[MiltownMadness]

Again, Khris played almost exclusively on Negative lineups last season.

The team was better with Khris defensively, and Khris played mostly when AG was here. And you've misread stats like 3x in the past week so I'd like to take it from someone else

Read them yourself.

Hit Control-F "Middleton". Count on the first page how in six of the seven lineups he's playing with a Net Negative.

Bro the 600 minute lineup which is like 10x more than any other in minutes has a 106 drating and a +15 net with Khris in it. FOH

[MiltownMadness]

I'm referencing our defensive numbers. Dame and Khris are part of the reason they're where they are.

Yeah, maybe subbing in AJ Green, AJJ and Wright for Beasley/Beverley makes us marginally better.

The defense was better with Khris in last season, missing Khris for most of the time Doc was here hurt defensively actually. That's what happens when you don't have to play guys like Crowder who tank lineups

Honestly, it's Friday. I don't want to get into a back and forth about on/off stats, who Khris played alongside, etc.

The Bucks' defense is bad. Let's see if training camp, two minimum guys and internal development does anything about that.

Sure but I'm just replying to what you wrote so don't post a bunch if you don't want to talk. Enjoy your weekend

[ReasonablySober]

The team was better with Khris defensively, and Khris played mostly when AG was here. And you've misread stats like 3x in the past week so I'd like to take it from someone else

Read them yourself.

Hit Control-F "Middleton". Count on the first page how in six of the seven lineups he's playing with a Net Negative.

Bro the 600 minute lineup which is like 10x more than any other in minutes has a 106 drating and a +15 net with Khris in it. FOH

I mean, you said Crowder tanks lineups, and the second most played Bucks lineup substituted Middleton for Crowder and became better.