Lebron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history

[Sofia]

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[OdomFan]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

[MrTribbiani]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Weak arguments.

No player has any obligation to stay in a situation that is sub optimal regarding their career goals.

He has played and won titles with star teammates. Regarding getting young talent traded away, are you referring to the Anthony Davis trade? If you are, you cannot argue that the Lakers should have kept Ingram, Hart, and Ball. Trading those three to the Pelicans (who still have not won a title) for a player like AD is a no brainer and it paid off with a title.

[CzBoobie]

The idea that any Bron Fanboy could convince themselves that he ranks higher than legendary winners the likes of Wilt, Russell, Elgin, Magic, KAJ and Larry Bird is nothing short of media brainwashing.

Bron is Top 10 but I will never think of him as the ultimate winner or even remotely close to being the GOAT. He does nudge by KD as the biggest "joiner" in professional sports history, though.

LeBron has won more Finals MVPs than legendary winners Wilt, Elgin and Bird combined...you are tripping.

[OdomFan]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Weak arguments.

No player has any obligation to stay in a situation that is sub optimal regarding their career goals.

He has played and won titles with star teammates. Regarding getting young talent traded away, are you referring to the Anthony Davis trade? If you are, you cannot argue that the Lakers should have kept Ingram, Hart, and Ball. Trading those three to the Pelicans (who still have not won a title) for a player like AD is a no brainer and it paid off with a title.

Im referring to Wiggins being traded for Love, and yes. Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc being traded in LA. I couldn't careless what you call weak. The point still stands. Other stars worked with what they were given and helped their best teammates become the star they became. Lebron just jumped around to take the easy way out. Yeah. They got AD. Got 1 ring, and now what do they have? not the best bench, and haven't won a thing since the bubble . Sorry not that impressed.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Weak arguments.

No player has any obligation to stay in a situation that is sub optimal regarding their career goals.

He has played and won titles with star teammates. Regarding getting young talent traded away, are you referring to the Anthony Davis trade? If you are, you cannot argue that the Lakers should have kept Ingram, Hart, and Ball. Trading those three to the Pelicans (who still have not won a title) for a player like AD is a no brainer and it paid off with a title.

Im referring to Wiggins being traded for Love, and yes. Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc being traded in LA. I couldn't careless what you call weak. The point still stands. Other stars worked with what they were given and helped their best teammates become the star they became. Lebron just jumped around to take the easy way out. Yeah. They got AD. Got 1 ring, and now what do they have? not the best bench, and haven't won a thing since the bubble . Sorry not that impressed.

Fans, the media, the CBA, and the draft system that delivers great players to poorly run teams all share a great deal of the blame for LeBron jumping ship.

The constant judgement of every action is nuts not to mention ridiculous cross era comparisons; but as long as there's fame and money on the line, players will dance the dance for our entertainment.

[JonHeist]

Imagine calling a guy overrated who's still dominating the sport at the age of 40.

Think before you post next time. I get trolling LeBron, but this was flat out a false statement smh

Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned.

Trust me, it's ok to be open minded, and not use "troll". The OP had stated what are facts for the most part, followed by his opinion that Lebrons not top 10.

Failing to realize this and just typing troll makes you look a certain way JustBuzzin.

I had the pleasure of watching Lebrons journey since his high school days and the pleasure wore off quickly.

How is he dominating? Stats?

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this site would be better if users who post obvious bait threads like OP got their posting privileges taken away

but I guess some mods can't tell this is bad faith bait lmao

"not top 10", "Lebron James is the most overrated athlete in sports history" yeah that's some good faith right there

[JonHeist]

The majority of people don't think he is top 2

Let's see you find even 5 rankings since his 4th title that have LeBron outside the top 2. Should be easy since the majority of people don't feel this way.

We have the poll we created here a few months ago:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2383162

try posting a poll that doesn't allow you to pick 3 options (just 1) and you'll get better results (but not the ones you want)

your current one just has Bron stans leaving Jordan out of their top 3 and Jordan stans leaving Bron out, making it useless

[EmpireFalls]

I guess in the sense that if you're really high on Jordan, Kareem, and Russell, then calling him GOAT would be overrating him?

And you can honestly make arguments for all 3 of those guys over him, it's not a huge stretch.

But idk, I think LeBron is about the most discussed athlete of the entire modern era, certinly in the US, although maybe just behind Messi-Ronaldo worldwide. He has been analyzed with the most critical eye and been picked apart in every single way possible. So to call him overrated is a bit weird. To me he is likely the most precisely rated athlete ever.

[TheNG]

Let's see you find even 5 rankings since his 4th title that have LeBron outside the top 2. Should be easy since the majority of people don't feel this way.

We have the poll we created here a few months ago:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2383162

try posting a poll that doesn't allow you to pick 3 options (just 1) and you'll get better results (but not the ones you want)

your current one just has Bron stans leaving Jordan out of their top 3 and Jordan stans leaving Bron out, making it useless

If a poll gives you only 1 options, usually LeBron is number 2. This is a fact.
But when we had a poll with few options, LeBron lost to Kareem. This is also a fact.
So it seems, that most people have Jordan at number 1, and the ones who don't have LeBron at number 1.
But if we are asking "what the majority of people think" then it seems that the majority don't think LeBron is top 2.
Both statements can be true.
The majority of people rank Jordan at number 1, and Kareem at number 2.
While the minority rank LeBron at number 1, and someone else at number 2.

[The Big O]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Nonsensical post. Going got tough means gut it out with an organization that effectively gave him nothing for 7 years?

Non of his teammates became stars? Lmao what are you even babbling? You’re a Kobe Bryant fan? At least one guy here plays out his contracts without making trade demands.

[The Big O]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Weak arguments.

No player has any obligation to stay in a situation that is sub optimal regarding their career goals.

He has played and won titles with star teammates. Regarding getting young talent traded away, are you referring to the Anthony Davis trade? If you are, you cannot argue that the Lakers should have kept Ingram, Hart, and Ball. Trading those three to the Pelicans (who still have not won a title) for a player like AD is a no brainer and it paid off with a title.

Im referring to Wiggins being traded for Love, and yes. Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc being traded in LA. I couldn't careless what you call weak. The point still stands. Other stars worked with what they were given and helped their best teammates become the star they became. Lebron just jumped around to take the easy way out. Yeah. They got AD. Got 1 ring, and now what do they have? not the best bench, and haven't won a thing since the bubble . Sorry not that impressed.

Again more nonsense from you. They got a ring, not that impressed? It’s a freaking championship.

Take the easy way out? He stuck around a dysfunctional organization first in Cleveland and has now been with another dysfunctional organization going on 6 years. You don’t sound too bright.

[ScrantonBulls]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Nonsensical post. Going got tough means gut it out with an organization that effectively gave him nothing for 7 years?

Non of his teammates became stars? Lmao what are you even babbling? You’re a Kobe Bryant fan? At least one guy here plays out his contracts without making trade demands.

You're talking to a guy that legitimately has Kobe above LeBron on his GOAT ranking. The guy is totally unhinged when it comes to LeBron, and he doesn't have a great understanding of basketball.

[The4thHorseman]

I mean this is clearly not a post by a rational person interested in healthy debate. And kinda shocking that a global mod reads his OP and goes “hmm, this is full of facts and logic”.

Gotta get dem clicks in the off-season. Gotta meet the quota and there's no other player that can do that than LeBron.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Nonsensical post. Going got tough means gut it out with an organization that effectively gave him nothing for 7 years?

Non of his teammates became stars? Lmao what are you even babbling? You’re a Kobe Bryant fan? At least one guy here plays out his contracts without making trade demands.

You're talking to a guy that legitimately has Kobe above LeBron on his GOAT ranking. The guy is totally unhinged when it comes to LeBron, and he doesn't have a great understanding of basketball.

He may or may not be unhinged, but arguing about GOAT rankings is by definition unhinged because it's completely subjective. Might as well try to tell someone their favorite color is not what they think it is.

[TheGOATWill]

let me guess...Jimi Hendrix was ok for a while.

[Lalouie]

lemme add

first ring was vs. the YOUNGEST starters since walton's blazers

not a "pass first player" and that's the biggest yakkety yak in sports. he's a rote passer making rote passes. ummmm, 105mph rote passes to be sure.

people have already forgotten that he avoided clutch moments and was criticized for it by everyone. he would spend all game padding his ppg, and at end game would pass to some dude picking his nose in the corner. his excuse was "it was the correct play" but media speculated he was avoiding a trip to the ft line

he put his heavy thumb on the scales of the playing field in order to get a ring

he is a great player, but with all that, here's why he's overrated.......he's physically an ungodly 6'8/255 and people are amazed at the skillset in a player of his size. in THAT respect he is a one-of-a-kind player. that is why people attach "great" to everything he does on the floor

he's baron davis but 6" taller

i give the OP props for starting at thread about it. i don't have the gonads to do it.

everything happening to lebron/klutch now is karmic backlash.
this is lebron in a LEVEL playing field. TWO first ballot hof'ers on a level that's not even close in today's nba and lebron is still searching for a few buddy hields cuz he can't do better than barely making the play in

i will say this: there's always overrated stars in team sports

[NoStatsGuy]

right... who scouted and drafted this scrub?

[NoStatsGuy]

He may or may not be unhinged, but arguing about GOAT rankings is by definition unhinged because it's completely subjective. Might as well try to tell someone their favorite color is not what they think it is.

finally someone that makes sense.

there is no undisputed GOAT in Basketball. 3 to 5 players have legit claims imo

[Sedale Threatt]

I'm not going to call him overrated, because I don't like that word, but I don't think he's number 2 of all time like many out there seem to keep thinking he's automatically at.

He's a great player who dishes the rock well, and scores well, but he's not the greatest leader of all time. No where near it. He's the guy who left his team behind as soon as the going got tough to go join up with a big 3 over here, then when that doesn't pan out in the long run he jumped else where, then did it again.

None of his teammates ever became stars next to him because he was too busy getting young talent traded away for established names, and none of his coaches will be in the top 10 all time because of their experience with him.

That may not matter to some, but it does to me.

Nonsensical post. Going got tough means gut it out with an organization that effectively gave him nothing for 7 years?

Non of his teammates became stars? Lmao what are you even babbling? You’re a Kobe Bryant fan? At least one guy here plays out his contracts without making trade demands.

The sheer disrespect for Mo Williams...

Seriously though, those rosters are borderline catastrophes. Definitely on the short list for worst team building around a generational superstar in NBA history.