Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Iscull]

It would've been funny af if KJ had the first ever team option trade kicker for salary matching lol

The most Hinkie-esque trade since he’s been gone

[ckchen]

I bet a big part of the KJ Martin deal was the politics with Oubre/C. Martin. Hard to say you're going to give him more (up to 2x) just as trade bait.

Still good players out there making that much (K. Murray, Eason, Kuminga). However, all of these guys would probably cost a decent amount of draft capital.

Maybe, but I personally doubt it. Those guys likely have more guaranteed dollars, job security, and playing time. I’m sure they can understand that KJ is getting a contract that is widely reported to be used as trade fodder. I think it had more to do with the luxury tax cost of paying a vet min guy $16 million, and getting that close to the second apron. The Sixers owners are paying more than face value on that contract just for some trade deadline optionally. It makes more sense to go with a lower number and aggregate salaries if the right trade presents itself. I think there is almost zero chance Morey and ownership thought giving KJ $16 million/year was the best strategy, but only offered $8 million/year due to the politics of upsetting Caleb and Kelly’s feelings.

I know no one wants to hear it, but as i mentioned before every dollar of KJ 's contract costs the team significantly in luxury tax payments. Yes the it's s business line again, but i bet it's a lot easier to sell a balloon payment that they can dump to get under the tax or would at maximum only be a $13-14M luxury tax bill at the end of the year vs. something like a $48M tax bill if there's someone sitting on the roster making $15M/yr. You guys can cry boohoo billionaire tears all you want but $30M+ in potential luxury tax payments is sure have a lot to do with the size of his deal.

[the_process]

I bet a big part of the KJ Martin deal was the politics with Oubre/C. Martin. Hard to say you're going to give him more (up to 2x) just as trade bait.

Still good players out there making that much (K. Murray, Eason, Kuminga). However, all of these guys would probably cost a decent amount of draft capital.

Maybe, but I personally doubt it. Those guys likely have more guaranteed dollars, job security, and playing time. I’m sure they can understand that KJ is getting a contract that is widely reported to be used as trade fodder. I think it had more to do with the luxury tax cost of paying a vet min guy $16 million, and getting that close to the second apron. The Sixers owners are paying more than face value on that contract just for some trade deadline optionally. It makes more sense to go with a lower number and aggregate salaries if the right trade presents itself. I think there is almost zero chance Morey and ownership thought giving KJ $16 million/year was the best strategy, but only offered $8 million/year due to the politics of upsetting Caleb and Kelly’s feelings.

I know no one wants to hear it, but as i mentioned before every dollar of KJ 's contract costs the team significantly in luxury tax payments. Yes the it's s business line again, but i bet it's a lot easier to sell a balloon payment that they can dump to get under the tax or would at maximum only be a $13-14M luxury tax bill at the end of the year vs. something like a $48M tax bill if there's someone sitting on the roster making $15M/yr. You guys can cry boohoo billionaire tears all you want but $30M+ in potential luxury tax payments is sure have a lot to do with the size of his deal.

You are absolutely 100% right.

Yet still, **** Josh Harris.

That being said, I am going to choose to believe Morey picked this number for some as yet unknown strategic reason.

[Snotbubbles]

Sixers got Oubre in a similar situation so who knows. Not banking on it, but there's worse thing than making a run at a title in a one and done season.

It sounds like one of those, get on a playoff team where I can shine in the playoffs and reset my market next year.

Yeah that doesn't make any sense getting on a playoff team especially one where he doesn't start won't do anything to increase his value on the market. Maybe if he went to the Lakers and immediately became their starting 2 but not here.

(see, Hield, Buddy)

[sixers hoops]

I bet a big part of the KJ Martin deal was the politics with Oubre/C. Martin. Hard to say you're going to give him more (up to 2x) just as trade bait.

Still good players out there making that much (K. Murray, Eason, Kuminga). However, all of these guys would probably cost a decent amount of draft capital.

Maybe, but I personally doubt it. Those guys likely have more guaranteed dollars, job security, and playing time. I’m sure they can understand that KJ is getting a contract that is widely reported to be used as trade fodder. I think it had more to do with the luxury tax cost of paying a vet min guy $16 million, and getting that close to the second apron. The Sixers owners are paying more than face value on that contract just for some trade deadline optionally. It makes more sense to go with a lower number and aggregate salaries if the right trade presents itself. I think there is almost zero chance Morey and ownership thought giving KJ $16 million/year was the best strategy, but only offered $8 million/year due to the politics of upsetting Caleb and Kelly’s feelings.

I know no one wants to hear it, but as i mentioned before every dollar of KJ 's contract costs the team significantly in luxury tax payments. Yes the it's s business line again, but i bet it's a lot easier to sell a balloon payment that they can dump to get under the tax or would at maximum only be a $13-14M luxury tax bill at the end of the year vs. something like a $48M tax bill if there's someone sitting on the roster making $15M/yr. You guys can cry boohoo billionaire tears all you want but $30M+ in potential luxury tax payments is sure have a lot to do with the size of his deal.

And I think ownership paying $8 million plus tax costs is showing a commitment to landing us a final piece, if something reasonable arises. It’s not about offering KJ the most possible to make any dumb trade we can think of. It’s a responsible choice to give him enough money so we have some flexibility to add to our team at the deadline; especially if our team is meeting expectations and appears to be a piece away from making a serious run.

I thought they would give him somewhere in the $8-$12 million range. I’m not sure what the 2024-25 salary is, but if it is $8 million, we are likely priced out of certain targets we’ve discussed. I think they will have some opportunities to add a nice piece though.

[M2J]

2 for 16 means he gonna be counted on as PF depth and that banking on his youth and athleticism.

Or we identified some players making 8 mil or less to trade him for if need be before deadline

It would be tough to trade Drummond or Lowry without an obvious replacement lined up, but I could see Gordon, Council, a soon to be signed minimum contract, or even McCain getting added into a mid season deal. If we had a player making $12 million in our sites, we could get there fairly easily.

First thing that popped into my mind was the use McCain plus seconds instead of future first round picks as they assets to trade with KJ. Which is probably the smartest way to go.

They could pair up. KJ, Jared, and like some vet minimum to get up to nearly 15 million.


Damn Daryl so smart

[ProcessDoctor]

Read on Twitter

Here's the tweet with the cap breakdown post Lowry & pre-KJ.

Based on this, we're in the 1st apron then? Add 2 vet mins and we're probably $5 mil below the 2nd.

[Snotbubbles]

Count me out on Trent Jr. I really like him but not with this roster. We might be worse at both rebounding and defense if we keep rounding out the roster with guys under 6’6”. The league is going big and we’re lagging behind.

This was the Celtics starting lineup in game 1 of the NBA finals:

Al Horford - 6'9"
Jayson Tatum - 6'8"
Jaylen Brown - 6'6"
Jrue Holiday - 6'4"
Derrick White 6'4"

[Arsenal]

Read on Twitter

Here's the tweet with the cap breakdown post Lowry & pre-KJ.

Based on this, we're in the 1st apron then? Add 2 vet mins and we're probably $5 mil below the 2nd.

It looks like we're $7.7m below the 1st Apron once you factor in the incomplete roster charge. Sign two vet mins at $3.3m each to get to 14 players then we will be $1.1m below the 1st Apron.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If I had to choose between Gary Trent JR and Lonnie Walker, I'd pick Walker in a slight edge over Trent. Either way, I hope we end up with one of them.

[ProcessDoctor]

Read on Twitter

Here's the tweet with the cap breakdown post Lowry & pre-KJ.

Based on this, we're in the 1st apron then? Add 2 vet mins and we're probably $5 mil below the 2nd.

It looks like we're $7.7m below the 1st Apron once you factor in the incomplete roster charge. Sign two vet mins at $3.3m each to get to 14 players then we will be $1.1m below the 1st Apron.

But that has KJ's contract at $2 mil, not ~$8. According to that we were $6.6 mil below the 1st apron before his signing and Lowry's (even Lowry's hold there isn't the vet min. It should be $3.3 mil like Gordon).

[ProcessDoctor]

Count me out on Trent Jr. I really like him but not with this roster. We might be worse at both rebounding and defense if we keep rounding out the roster with guys under 6’6”. The league is going big and we’re lagging behind.

This was the Celtics starting lineup in game 1 of the NBA finals:

Al Horford - 6'9"
Jayson Tatum - 6'8"
Jaylen Brown - 6'6"
Jrue Holiday - 6'4"
Derrick White 6'4"

Holiday and White are cheat codes defensively. They're not your average 6'4" guards and can position up defensively, whereas Maxey and Trent Jr. would get eaten alive in the same scenario.

[LloydFree]

Who makes 8 mil we can trade for later? Lol.

On another note, Jalen Brunson is an idiot. Who leaves 115 mil on the table

All of the Vets who signed for the Room Exception. And if we combine 5 million more in salary, anyone who signed for the Mid-level exception

[sixers hoops]

BucketAccess just popped up on my timeline saying that Gary Trent is signing with the Sixers. He claims to have broken the Okogie signing, Lowry signing, and Brunson extension well before Woj or Shams. I scrolled through his timeline and can see his reports, and they appear to be well in advance.

Am I missing something?

[Embiid-MVP]

People are really trying to say they rather have X Free agent over Trent Jr!? He's by far the best option and don't give me rebounding. If he's willing to come for minimum then you Thank God we got that lucky.

[LloydFree]

I bet a big part of the KJ Martin deal was the politics with Oubre/C. Martin. Hard to say you're going to give him more (up to 2x) just as trade bait.

Still good players out there making that much (K. Murray, Eason, Kuminga). However, all of these guys would probably cost a decent amount of draft capital.

Maybe, but I personally doubt it. Those guys likely have more guaranteed dollars, job security, and playing time. I’m sure they can understand that KJ is getting a contract that is widely reported to be used as trade fodder. I think it had more to do with the luxury tax cost of paying a vet min guy $16 million, and getting that close to the second apron. The Sixers owners are paying more than face value on that contract just for some trade deadline optionally. It makes more sense to go with a lower number and aggregate salaries if the right trade presents itself. I think there is almost zero chance Morey and ownership thought giving KJ $16 million/year was the best strategy, but only offered $8 million/year due to the politics of upsetting Caleb and Kelly’s feelings.

I don't think the strategy for giving KJ Martin "only" 8 million, had anything to do with Oubre or Caleb Martin's feelings. It has to do with leaving a cushion against exceeding the 2nd apron, at all costs.

A rash of injuries and a couple more signings and now future seasons are sabotaged, all for the sake of an unnecessary salary cap move that backfired.

[Embiid-MVP]

BucketAccess just popped up on my timeline saying that Gary Trent is signing with the Sixers. He claims to have broken the Okogie signing, Lowry signing, and Brunson extension well before Woj or Shams. I scrolled through his timeline and can see his reports, and they appear to be well in advance.

Am I missing something?

Yeah I seen that also but he's like vinfosho or whatever his name is. They just seen the following stuff on insta n acting like they got sources. Parade party when they actually get 1 right

[sixers hoops]

BucketAccess just popped up on my timeline saying that Gary Trent is signing with the Sixers. He claims to have broken the Okogie signing, Lowry signing, and Brunson extension well before Woj or Shams. I scrolled through his timeline and can see his reports, and they appear to be well in advance.

Am I missing something?

Yeah I seen that also but he's like vinfosho or whatever his name is. They just seen the following stuff on insta n acting like they got sources. Parade party when they actually get 1 right

What got me though was the exact dollar amount on the Brunson deal. Was that the rumored amount? He posted that last night.

[FireMorey]

He hasn’t posted anything that hasn’t long been rumored or reported.

[Ksny13]

I wouldn't discount KJ playing some solid rotational PF minutes for you guys. He was on his way to being a solid role player his last year in Houston. He just needs an opportunity.