zimpy27 wrote:GB is a flaming pile of dung by design.
I agree, and I think it's a major flaw of RealGM.
I know it's annoying when people bring their "General Board level" takes to the Player Comparisons board, but I think it's worse that player comparison threads are allowed to proliferate on the General NBA board. Such threads are awful almost without exception, and their toxic arguments dominate the General Board.
I feel like if all player comparison discussions were redirected here, the culture of this board would have a positive effect on the quality of the threads. And then the General Board could be reserved for news, game threads, assfault, etc.
Not everyone wants to have a high level discussion about basketball. People take it seriously to different levels and like to discuss things at different levels of intellect. Even who the GOAT is.
It wouldn't be fair if we decided the intellectual discussion was boring and kicked the player comparison board off. It's not fair to do that with less intellectual discussion.
Trying to cater to many levels of intellect here.
Yeah, that's reasonable. Maybe it just irks me that the forums are not truly "topical" as their names imply, but are rather subcultures within the RealGM universe.
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SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Play a season with Bronny to make history and then retire to liberate Realgm.
The brain rot is spreading to the moderation team it seems. Never ever read so much **** nonsense from a global mod. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2394979#p114300514
No wonder the GB is a flaming pile of dung.
GB is a flaming pile of dung by design.
The global mod does not moderate the GB.
The global mod is a good mod, which is separate from their opinion they are entitled to have on a board they don't moderate. I know that's confusing because I think people assume they do moderate it.
Why would it matter if he moderates it or not? He is a Global mod 20 years in with 50k posts...not just some rando Goober type. And he posts trash like this pretending he is somehow the rational one. Crazy.
Tim Lehrbach wrote: I agree, and I think it's a major flaw of RealGM.
I know it's annoying when people bring their "General Board level" takes to the Player Comparisons board, but I think it's worse that player comparison threads are allowed to proliferate on the General NBA board. Such threads are awful almost without exception, and their toxic arguments dominate the General Board.
I feel like if all player comparison discussions were redirected here, the culture of this board would have a positive effect on the quality of the threads. And then the General Board could be reserved for news, game threads, assfault, etc.
Not everyone wants to have a high level discussion about basketball. People take it seriously to different levels and like to discuss things at different levels of intellect. Even who the GOAT is.
It wouldn't be fair if we decided the intellectual discussion was boring and kicked the player comparison board off. It's not fair to do that with less intellectual discussion.
Trying to cater to many levels of intellect here.
Yeah, that's reasonable. Maybe it just irks me that the forums are not truly "topical" as their names imply, but are rather subcultures within the RealGM universe.
They were originally intended as the name suggests.. The separation of intellect happened by accident over time. Can't exactly change the name to "high level discussion board" and the "dum dum board".
The GB is our most popular board by far. Pays for most of the site.
JVL wrote: The brain rot is spreading to the moderation team it seems. Never ever read so much **** nonsense from a global mod. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2394979#p114300514
No wonder the GB is a flaming pile of dung.
GB is a flaming pile of dung by design.
The global mod does not moderate the GB.
The global mod is a good mod, which is separate from their opinion they are entitled to have on a board they don't moderate. I know that's confusing because I think people assume they do moderate it.
Why would it matter if he moderates it or not? He is a Global mod 20 years in with 50k posts...not just some rando Goober type. And he posts trash like this pretending he is somehow the rational one. Crazy.
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
OP posted obviously trolling trash we have seen thousands times before and a Global mod calls it "Seems like all facts that the OP mentioned" while patronizing others. I dont care if he is a good mod elsewhere or whatever...
The global mod is a good mod, which is separate from their opinion they are entitled to have on a board they don't moderate. I know that's confusing because I think people assume they do moderate it.
Why would it matter if he moderates it or not? He is a Global mod 20 years in with 50k posts...not just some rando Goober type. And he posts trash like this pretending he is somehow the rational one. Crazy.
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
Of course you can call an opinion, trash. If it's not well reasoned and rational and instead is based purely on emotion or something not having anything to do with basketball, than it's trash. Just as an example. I can see somebody prefering Kobe over Lebron due to subjective tastes (e.g. style of play), no problem. But, not saying he is a better basketball player because of those subjective tastes. That's trash.
CzBoobie wrote: Why would it matter if he moderates it or not? He is a Global mod 20 years in with 50k posts...not just some rando Goober type. And he posts trash like this pretending he is somehow the rational one. Crazy.
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
Of course you can call an opinion, trash. If it's not reasoned and based purely on emotion or something not having anything to do with basketball, than it's trash.
I said there was no point in calling an opinion trash. Never said you can't call an opinion trash.
Calling an opinion trash gets you no closer to intellectual discussion, it actually gets you further away. Just ignore and engage with others.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Play a season with Bronny to make history and then retire to liberate Realgm.
The brain rot is spreading to the moderation team it seems. Never ever read so much **** nonsense from a global mod. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2394979#p114300514
No wonder the GB is a flaming pile of dung.
I read that “all facts” comment and thought, “Oh, did the OP just post a bunch of egregiously cherrypicked but technically true data?”
Nope.
He was getting dragged for that post by everyone and another mod came and saved him by locking it. Global mod’s post was not a good look.
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Don't go on gen board much, but the last post on that thread (before it was locked) is funny
His 4th title is a joke. The players want to quit the bubble to stand up the social justice issues that were going on and Bron & co held a meeting talking down to them to continue on w/ the bubble.
In reality, that meeting consisted of LeBron expressing that he wanted to leave the bubble lol
The Lakers and Clippers — meaning LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, and Paul George — voted to cancel the season at a players’ meeting on the NBA campus Wednesday night, reports Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports and TNT.
However, every other team in the bubble voted to continue playing, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic. As representatives of the players’ union explained at the meeting, canceling the playoffs would likely lead to a lockout to start next season and a renegotiation of the CBA.
jalengreen wrote:Don't go on gen board much, but the last post on that thread (before it was locked) is funny
His 4th title is a joke. The players want to quit the bubble to stand up the social justice issues that were going on and Bron & co held a meeting talking down to them to continue on w/ the bubble.
In reality, that meeting consisted of LeBron expressing that he wanted to leave the bubble lol
The Lakers and Clippers — meaning LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, and Paul George — voted to cancel the season at a players’ meeting on the NBA campus Wednesday night, reports Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports and TNT.
However, every other team in the bubble voted to continue playing, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic. As representatives of the players’ union explained at the meeting, canceling the playoffs would likely lead to a lockout to start next season and a renegotiation of the CBA.
And then LeBron/AD nonetheless buckled down and dominated en route to a championship.
Par for the course for GB from what little I see there lol
Just like the “Mickey Mouse” rewriting that happened once the Clippers and Bucks were second round exits and it became obvious Lebron was going to win.
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
My basketball fandom predates Bird and Magic joining the league. When I arrived at RealGm the main topic was Kobe fans vs LeBron fans and I sided with the LeBron fans.
I think the 39 year old version of LeBron is overrated and overhyed. I like LeBron but want him to retire because I prefer RealGMto RealLeBron. My problem is with LeBron fans.
The etymology of the word fans is sort of anti-fans.
I can not compare centers to non-centers. For non centers Jordan and LeBron as top 2 is clear to me. I can make make a case that Oscar was more dominant in his era than Jordan and LeBron were but I see Jordan and LeBron as being better than Oscar and see Oscar’s era as being weaker.
I do not know how to Rank Robinson, Russell, Wilt,Kareem,Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Jokic, and Embiid against each other. I could make a case for all those centers being better than Jordan and LeBron but I put Jordan and LeBron above the centers.
I am out of the loop but curious about the anger at the Moderator who does not moderate. Which moderator?
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
My basketball fandom predates Bird and Magic joining the league. When I arrived at RealGm the main topic was Kobe fans vs LeBron fans and I sided with the LeBron fans.
I think the 39 year old version of LeBron is overrated and overhyed. I like LeBron but want him to retire because I prefer RealGMto RealLeBron. My problem is with LeBron fans.
The etymology of the word fans is sort of anti-fans.
I can not compare centers to non-centers. For non centers Jordan and LeBron as top 2 is clear too me. I can make mak
Most of the LeBron posts are against LeBron on the GB though. Why would you blame it on fans when more than 50% of LeBron threads are posted by haters?
No point in calling an opinion trash. Some people are not a fan of LeBron or his game, they would still have him as an all time great. Yes I too find it difficult to imagine the logic of LeBron not being top 3 all time but it exists to some.
My basketball fandom predates Bird and Magic joining the league. When I arrived at RealGm the main topic was Kobe fans vs LeBron fans and I sided with the LeBron fans.
I think the 39 year old version of LeBron is overrated and overhyed. I like LeBron but want him to retire because I prefer RealGMto RealLeBron. My problem is with LeBron fans.
The etymology of the word fans is sort of anti-fans.
I can not compare centers to non-centers. For non centers Jordan and LeBron as top 2 is clear too me. I can make mak
Most of the LeBron posts are against LeBron on the GB though. Why would you blame it on fans when more than 50% of LeBron threads are posted by haters?
I have not noticed the LeBron haters at general board being even 1/4th as numerous as LeBron Lovers. Could be a recent change. I probably would not click on a general board LeBron thread.
Posts about LeBron are probably more numerous than posts about rhe next 5 players combined.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Play a season with Bronny to make history and then retire to liberate Realgm.
The brain rot is spreading to the moderation team it seems. Never ever read so much **** nonsense from a global mod. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2394979#p114300514
No wonder the GB is a flaming pile of dung.
I’ve seen his posts especially the last little while stand out in such a way that I haven’t before, and yeah, they seem to contain toxic tones. And no, not because he’s not necessarily a LeBron fan. That’s not what tone is. Just saying that in order to cover my bases in advance given I’m almost positive a “defender of the people” will come in and question that.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote: I have not noticed the LeBron haters at general board being even 1/4th as numerous as LeBron Lovers. Could be a recent change. I probably would not click on a general board LeBron thread.
Posts about LeBron are probably more numerous than posts about rhe next 5 players combined.
I think there's a fairly large portion of message board posters who had knives out for LeBron since his early days, even still while in hs. I think he and Kobe have had far and away the biggest contingent of fans and haters except for the fact that I think a lot of Kobe criticism which is based in reality gets labeled as hate, especially in that 06-10 period where his fans were fully convinced he was almost as good as MJ and just needed another 3 peat to basically tie him all time. They never seemed to understand what his weaknesses as a player were. I think most of the LeBron hate has been based in just pure jealousy or w/e it is since he was 17. Also a fair amount who wanted to try and make sure he never got on MJ's level no matter what.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote: I have not noticed the LeBron haters at general board being even 1/4th as numerous as LeBron Lovers. Could be a recent change. I probably would not click on a general board LeBron thread.
Posts about LeBron are probably more numerous than posts about rhe next 5 players combined.
I think there's a fairly large portion of message board posters who had knives out for LeBron since his early days, even still while in hs. I think he and Kobe have had far and away the biggest contingent of fans and haters except for the fact that I think a lot of Kobe criticism which is based in reality gets labeled as hate, especially in that 06-10 period where his fans were fully convinced he was almost as good as MJ and just needed another 3 peat to basically tie him all time. They never seemed to understand what his weaknesses as a player were. I think most of the LeBron hate has been based in just pure jealousy or w/e it is since he was 17. Also a fair amount who wanted to try and make sure he never got on MJ's level no matter what.
When I joined Realgm in 2005 LeBron was getting nothing but love except from Kobe fans. Young LeBron had a nice personality. In 2005 LeBron fans claimed LeBron was better than Kobe and I agreed with the LeBron fans. When fans started claiming LeBron was better than Jordan then I disgreed.
First NBA guy I was as loyal to as LeBron fans are loyal to LeBron was Cedric Maxwell. Being a Maxwell fan will not get me into arguments but also won’t even get me into discussions. Closest thing I can find to Maxwell haters are some Bird fans that think that Bird not Maxwell should have won the 1981 Finals MVP while i think giving the 1981 Fmvp to Maxwell was a correct decision.
There was a phase where I did not like LeBron's personality. He is better now. I mostly care about what guys do the court not their personality.
LeBron with all his muscles developed played pretty physical towards other guys but was working the refs and flopping. Harden may have been a bad influence on LeBron.
Who is thiss 20 year member 50,000 post global mod that is being discussed and accused of being toxic and anti-LeBron?
jalengreen wrote:Don't go on gen board much, but the last post on that thread (before it was locked) is funny
His 4th title is a joke. The players want to quit the bubble to stand up the social justice issues that were going on and Bron & co held a meeting talking down to them to continue on w/ the bubble.
In reality, that meeting consisted of LeBron expressing that he wanted to leave the bubble lol
The Lakers and Clippers — meaning LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, and Paul George — voted to cancel the season at a players’ meeting on the NBA campus Wednesday night, reports Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports and TNT.
However, every other team in the bubble voted to continue playing, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic. As representatives of the players’ union explained at the meeting, canceling the playoffs would likely lead to a lockout to start next season and a renegotiation of the CBA.
And then LeBron/AD nonetheless buckled down and dominated en route to a championship.
Par for the course for GB from what little I see there lol
Just like the “Mickey Mouse” rewriting that happened once the Clippers and Bucks were second round exits and it became obvious Lebron was going to win.
The Venn diagram of the “bubble doesn’t count” people and LeBron haters is basically a circle. Not only does it count, it was the most difficult title for one of the favorites to win.
1) A team that had home court advantage lost it and had to play all neutral site games. Regardless of anything else, this lowers a favorite’s odds. The argument about “not having to play on the road” is ridiculous since the Lakers were a great road team and LeBron specifically is one of the greatest if not the greatest road player in playoff history.
2. Lakers played with a massive 3P deficit compared to everyone else WHILE playing in a sterile gym environment when three point deficiency should have been a massive detriment.
Every single champion since 2010 has been top 6 in either three point attempt rate or percentage except for the 2012 Heat and 2020 Lakers, two teams that are close to being technical outliers.
Spoiler:
Three-point % league rank of NBA champions since 2011
Three-point attempt rate league rank and three-point % league rank of NBA champions since 2011
2024 Celtics, 1st and 2nd 2023 Nuggets, 21st and 4th 2022 Warriors, 2nd and 9th 2021 Bucks, 12th and 5th 2020 Lakers, 22nd and 21st 2019 Raptors, 10th and 6th 2018 Warrior, 15th and 1st 2017 Warriors, 6th and 3rd 2016 Cavs, 3rd and 6th 2015 Warriors, 7th and 1st 2014 Spurs, 16th and 1st 2013 Heat, 5th and 2nd 2012 Heat, 21st and 9th 2011 Mavs, 3rd and 11th
3. In a sterile gym environment while playing at a three point disadvantage, the Lakers were dominant. In a sterile environment that before the bubble was considered a disadvantage, and our teams would be 50-50, the Lakers utterly dominated.
2020 Lakers’ Playoffs leads Game 2 vs. Blazers: +33, 7:58 left Game 4 vs. Blazers, +38, 8:38 left in 3rd quarter Game 4 vs. Rockets, +23, 7:21 left Game 5 vs. Rockets, +29, 4:33 left Game 1 vs. Nuggets, +27, 5:03 left Game 1 vs. Heat, +30, 4:25 left in 3rd; +24, 6:08 left in the game Game 6 vs. Heat, +36, 3:29 left in 3rd; +22, 2:05 left in the game
LeBron + AD in the 2020 playoffs: +19.8 sans 4th quarters, +17.4 sans 27 minutes of garbage time.
Spoiler:
Regular season: #22 in three point attempt rate, #21 in 3 point %. Playoffs: #11 out of 16 in three point attempt rate, #12 out of 16 in 3 point %.
One of the things about that Lakers team was how high their peak level was, sneakilyone of the highest there has ever been, because they were not built to hunt three-point shots, nor make them at a highly efficient rate in an era of three-point shooting, but they were able to excel in almost all other aspects of the game other than turnover economy, so when the 2020 Lakers hit a league average amount of three-pointers at the league average three point percentage in a game, they only lost two games all season before the end of the season and game five versus the heat in the NBA finals which they probably should’ve won anyway. When they got hot in the playoffs they were murdering teams.
One of the reasons they were such a great road team was because their core game of rim pressure, shots at the rim, defense, rebounding, generating turnovers, etc., was highly, highly replicable, and when they DID get hot from outside, they were pretty much invincible. In the playoffs, they exerted all of this, and were incredibly dominant outside of garbage time minutes though they were not to go three-point shooting team, which of course raises concerns against a team like the 2018 Houston Rockets.
2020 Lakers’ Playoffs leads
Game 2 vs. Blazers: +33, 7:58 left Game 4 vs. Blazers, +38, 8:38 left in 3rd quarter Game 4 vs. Rockets, +23, 7:21 left Game 5 vs. Rockets, +29, 4:33 left Game 1 vs. Nuggets, +27, 5:03 left Game 1 vs. Heat, +30, 4:25 left in 3rd; +24, 6:08 left in the game Game 6 vs. Heat, +36, 3:29 left in 3rd; +22, 2:05 left in the game
4. Lastly. BEFORE the bubble, the narrative was much different, i.e., it’s a pure basketball environment, skills like shooting will be much more valuable, the Blazers were the best 8th seed since they had injuries, and the real team was super hot with Lillard playing in an empty gym, the math doesn’t work against the Blazers and it doesn’t work against the Rockets, etc.
Lakers can’t really shoot, they play archaically (they did with two bigs but still won without the 5 out shooting the “non-portable” James supposedly needs), Blazers are the best 8th seed ever with a returned Nurkic and a Lillard going scorched earth in the bubble and are going to beat them, and if not them, then Harden will and the Rockets will because the Lakers play archaically, and the math doesn’t add up, etc.
Whenever momentum swings to a Lebron team they start getting the excuses in early. The way they all jumped like rats on a sinking ship in 2020 run. Saud the blazers were going to sweep and had amnesia once the series was tied, same with the Rockets the nexr series. Obviously entitled to change one's mind but when you start talking about series that haven't even been played it's funny. Who had the Lakers as realistic contenders last week?
When it comes to LeBron, the goalposts always get moved until they are in outer space.
Look at 2020
Lakers’ roster was supposedly trash but then became a stacked “SuPeRtEaM” after they won
So many people picked the Lakers to be 7th seed, 5th seed, 4th seed, miss the playoffs, etc. Where were all the posters saying they’re a lock for a title because LeBron is anticompetitive? As always, it’s only after the fact:
Lakers can’t really shoot, they play archaically (they did with two bigs but still won without the 5 out shooting the “non-portable” James supposedly needs), Blazers are the best 8th seed ever with a returned Nurkic and a Lillard going scorched earth in the bubble and are going to beat them, and if not them, then Harden will and the Rockets will because the Lakers play archaically, and the math doesn’t add up, etc.
2018–Cavs vs Toronto ZERO PERCENT chance that Cavs win in 4 or 5 against Toronto according to statistical models but it’s just, “LOOL, TORONTO. THEY WERE SCARED.” Toronto had a superior team in every way and so much so that forecasting models literally gave the Cavs zero chance to win in 4 or even 5. After they win, oh, of course. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364079/espn-forecast-nba-playoffs-predicting-makes-east-finals
After the Indy series, they were rightfully given no shot as they shouldn’t even have won that series if not for a GOAT scoring performance. Raps were 7 point favorites in game 1 and 6.5 in game 2. Everyone everywhere felt that this was the end road for the 2nd Cavs LeBron run and that this team was toast against Toronto and if not them then the Sixers would destroy them. Sixers were favored to win the East after their first round dominance because “anyone can win the East” until, well, not everyone won it. Sixers have never been to the finals with Embiid, the Nets never made it, etc.
2015
Hawks vs. Cavs—5 people picked the Hawks and not a SINGLE person picked the series to go less than 6/7 games. Love was out, Kyrie was hobbled and displayed limited minutes, and still the Cavs swept a 60 win team but in hindsight, “Of course the Hawks suck, lol,”
Bulls vs. Cavs: 5 people picked the Bulls, nobody picked a series shorter than 6/7 but when it was over, it was, “Of course the Cavs won because thr Bulls suck. Kenny Smith at halftime of game one (without Love or JR) said the Bulls were just better but afterwards, he talks about “How easy the East is for LeBron”
Hawks vs. Cavs —lots of 6/7 game predictions, but after the fact, it was, “Oh of course it was gonna be easy” disregarding the fact that it was a sweep because the Cavs put on one of the greatest shooting display ever in that series.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote: When I joined Realgm in 2005 LeBron was getting nothing but love except from Kobe fans. Young LeBron had a nice personality. In 2005 LeBron fans claimed LeBron was better than Kobe and I agreed with the LeBron fans. When fans started claiming LeBron was better than Jordan then I disgreed.
First NBA guy I was as loyal to as LeBron fans are loyal to LeBron was Cedric Maxwell. Being a Maxwell fan will not get me into arguments but also won’t even get me into discussions. Closest thing I can find to Maxwell haters are some Bird fans that think that Bird not Maxwell should have won the 1981 Finals MVP while i think giving the 1981 Fmvp to Maxwell was a correct decision.
There was a phase where I did not like LeBron's personality. He is better now. I mostly care about what guys do the court not their personality.
LeBron with all his muscles developed played pretty physical towards other guys but was working the refs and flopping. Harden may have been a bad influence on LeBron.
Who is thiss 20 year member 50,000 post global mod that is being discussed and accused of being toxic and anti-LeBron?
I was on other message boards back then(from about 07 forwards) and Idk if all the people hating on him from day 1 were Kobe fans(though I'm sure many were) but a lot of people just resented the attention he was getting and some were probably big MJ fans as well. So whatever the reason is all I'm saying is that he's had plenty of haters throughout his career and not all of them were doing it because they are Kobe fans. It's like that with most well known athletes though. I mean KD was considered the nicest dude out there for a long time but then things changed quite a bit for him from about 2016 on. I said the same would happen with Wemby as well. Right now everyone has nothing but nice things to say about him but 5-6 years from something will happen or more likely the media will stir something up because that's what they really want is drama and then he'll have some haters saying he's this or that.
