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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1901 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:39 am

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First thing that popped into my mind was the use McCain plus seconds instead of future first round picks as they assets to trade with KJ. Which is probably the smartest way to go.

They could pair up. KJ, Jared, and like some vet minimum to get up to nearly 15 million.


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You wouldn’t give up McCain for anybody? You are seriously overvaluing him to make that statement.
Naw but not just for someone like DFS or Cam Johnson. That's the level of player we're looking at.

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1902 » by sixers hoops » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:44 am

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eyeatoma wrote:I'm not giving up McCain.

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You wouldn’t give up McCain for anybody? You are seriously overvaluing him to make that statement.
Naw but not just for someone like DFS or Cam Johnson. That's the level of player we're looking at.

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Huh? We wouldn’t offer him in a trade for those guys. The post you responded to didn’t even suggest trading him for anyone specific. So I guess your point is you wouldn’t trade him for anybody who isn’t worth it? That generally goes without saying.
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Post#1903 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:51 am

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76ciology wrote:Honestly, I'm not very invested in trading KJ Martin's contract. Thats why you dont see me posting a lot about it. I don't see a significant gap between him and DFS.


I’m now invested in selling Sacto on the idea that they need extra picks for Lauri so send Keegan over here! :lol:


The Kings are also competing this year, so I don't see them unloading Keegan Murray.

I don't anticipate us trading for a player like Markkanen. It's more likely we'll target someone like Caleb Martin or Kelly Oubre—players who can provide additional two-way wing depth or enable us to deploy unconventional lineups (maybe a stretch big like Chris Boucher? A big scoring guard like Dosunmu?) to throw curve balls to our opponent.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1904 » by FireMorey » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:53 am

I’m sure they planned this out for a while and gave KJ Martin what they needed to get guys they project to maybe be available in Feb.
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Post#1905 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:55 am

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Have they promised the sixth man role to Gordon to get him to sign that minimum? That would mean if they sign Trent to start and Oubre now is the sixth man, that pushes Gordon down the pecking order one. I would think these are issues they could work through, but egos are fragile things.

If they sign Walker, he clearly slots in after them all, hence no bruised egos.


He said Caleb a starting PF lol no way he's all cap.


Just food for thought. I’d rather have Trent, but again have no idea what conversations Morey and Nurse have had with these guys (specifically Oubre and Gordon) so far.


I can’t imagine they are offering six man roles, but who knows with Morey.


If there's any ”promise”, Woj tweeted that Kelly Oubre would be our starting shooting guard when we signed him.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1906 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:11 am

FireMorey wrote:I’m sure they planned this out for a while and gave KJ Martin what they needed to get guys they project to maybe be available in Feb.


He shot 41% on corner threes and 30% overall from beyond the arc last season. If he can improve his shooting, he could be a valuable contributor as a secondary rim protector who can stretch the floor to pair with Embiid, Drummond, or Bona at the power forward position, and also can play as a small ball 5 with our wings.

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1907 » by NearingZero » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:18 am

the_process wrote:I thought they were going to 12M to give themselves a big buffer.

However, Yossi Gosselin brought up an interesting point I think that could be more relevant than sparing feelings. He said that if the Sixers fail to find a suitable deal by the deadline, they could dump Martin and dodge the tax again. It’s easier to dump 8M than it is 16M or even 12M.

I really doubt they will duck the tax. Spotrac has them at $5M over the tax with 11 guys. Take out KJ, that's only $3M under on 10 guys. 4 minimums (incl. Bona) puts them back to $4-5M over. And it's not like they have other contracts that would make sense to move to get that much savings (unless the season is a total bust at that point).
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Post#1908 » by jstross » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:21 am

I thought it was pretty much agreed that the Sixers would be going over the first apron, but not the 2nd?
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the_process wrote:I thought they were going to 12M to give themselves a big buffer.

However, Yossi Gosselin brought up an interesting point I think that could be more relevant than sparing feelings. He said that if the Sixers fail to find a suitable deal by the deadline, they could dump Martin and dodge the tax again. It’s easier to dump 8M than it is 16M or even 12M.

I really doubt they will duck the tax. Spotrac has them at $5M over the tax with 11 guys. Take out KJ, that's only $3M under on 10 guys. 4 minimums (incl. Bona) puts them back to $4-5M over. And it's not like they have other contracts that would make sense to move to get that much savings (unless the season is a total bust at that point).
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Post#1909 » by Embiid-MVP » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:26 am

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1910 » by NearingZero » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:27 am

jstross wrote:I thought it was pretty much agreed that the Sixers would be going over the first apron, but not the 2nd?
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the_process wrote:I thought they were going to 12M to give themselves a big buffer.

However, Yossi Gosselin brought up an interesting point I think that could be more relevant than sparing feelings. He said that if the Sixers fail to find a suitable deal by the deadline, they could dump Martin and dodge the tax again. It’s easier to dump 8M than it is 16M or even 12M.

I really doubt they will duck the tax. Spotrac has them at $5M over the tax with 11 guys. Take out KJ, that's only $3M under on 10 guys. 4 minimums (incl. Bona) puts them back to $4-5M over. And it's not like they have other contracts that would make sense to move to get that much savings (unless the season is a total bust at that point).

Yes, with KJ's $8M and vet mins filling out the roster, they're looking to be about $5M over the first apron for now.

If they can't find a suitable matching-salary trade for KJ after Jan 15, they could dump him for tax savings, but not to get under the tax threshold, IMO. That it would bring them under the 1st apron would likely be irrelevant.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1911 » by jstross » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:28 am

Let's hope we land him!
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1912 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:34 am

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You wouldn’t give up McCain for anybody? You are seriously overvaluing him to make that statement.
Naw but not just for someone like DFS or Cam Johnson. That's the level of player we're looking at.

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Huh? We wouldn’t offer him in a trade for those guys. The post you responded to didn’t even suggest trading him for anyone specific. So I guess your point is you wouldn’t trade him for anybody who isn’t worth it? That generally goes without saying.
Yeah needs to put us over the top. Just think McCain could be very good.

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Post#1913 » by M2J » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:53 am

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Yeah, with his shooting and defensive ability, I'm sure he's a clear starter in Philly.
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Post#1914 » by jstross » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:55 am

Is Trent good defensively?
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1915 » by sixers hoops » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:20 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Naw but not just for someone like DFS or Cam Johnson. That's the level of player we're looking at.

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Huh? We wouldn’t offer him in a trade for those guys. The post you responded to didn’t even suggest trading him for anyone specific. So I guess your point is you wouldn’t trade him for anybody who isn’t worth it? That generally goes without saying.
Yeah needs to put us over the top. Just think McCain could be very good.

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I think he could be very good too.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1916 » by sixers hoops » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:28 am

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jstross wrote:I thought it was pretty much agreed that the Sixers would be going over the first apron, but not the 2nd?
NearingZero wrote:I really doubt they will duck the tax. Spotrac has them at $5M over the tax with 11 guys. Take out KJ, that's only $3M under on 10 guys. 4 minimums (incl. Bona) puts them back to $4-5M over. And it's not like they have other contracts that would make sense to move to get that much savings (unless the season is a total bust at that point).

Yes, with KJ's $8M and vet mins filling out the roster, they're looking to be about $5M over the first apron for now.

If they can't find a suitable matching-salary trade for KJ after Jan 15, they could dump him for tax savings, but not to get under the tax threshold, IMO. That it would bring them under the 1st apron would likely be irrelevant.

I bet when it’s all said and done, they sign several more minimum guys. If they make a 3 for 1 trade, they may need to pickup players. Maybe players on the buyout market. Maybe if they face enough injuries, they need to sign a player or two. It’s good they have some buffer space, because they will prob go deeper passed the first apron.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1917 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:56 am



After watching this clip, a couple of thoughts come to mind when comparing the Celtics to us. We have superior scorers, but they have superior defenders. The same is true for the Mavs, but their defense with Kyrie and Luka, combined with Washington and Derrick Jones’ shooting, is just too much to overcome.

I'm wondering about the best strategies to score against the Celtics' defense, aside from Embiid exploiting their guards and George or Maxey targeting their bigs. While I expect them to hunt Maxey the entire game just like how it seemed they hunted Doncic and Kyrie the entire game.

The IQ and experience of players like Jrue Holiday and Al Horford are significant advantages for the Celtics. This is why the addition of Lowry is highly valued; the little tricks the veterans use to create extra separation and generate extra possessions make a big difference.

Lastly, the clip highlighted the value of Tatum and Brown, not just for their individual performances but for their sustained excellence across different squad iterations—from playing with Hayward, Kyrie, and Kemba to Marcus Smart and their current roster. The Celtics likely recognized Tatum and Brown's limitations and surrounded them with talent that allows them to win a championship without having to be superstars.

This approach could also apply to our team, with Embiid and George surrounded by versatile two-way players who can alleviate their defensive and offensive burdens.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1918 » by M2J » Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:02 am

jstross wrote:Is Trent good defensively?
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Yeah, with his shooting and defensive ability, I'm sure he's a clear starter in Philly.



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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1919 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:40 am

GTJ has almost 6’9” wingspan but only has 8’2” standing reach. He was a very good defensive player in deflections and steals for both 2021-2022 and 2022-2023 seasons.
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Post#1920 » by Wilfried » Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:55 am

76ciology wrote:GTJ has almost 6’9” wingspan but only has 8’2” standing reach. He was a very good defensive player in deflections and steals for both 2021-2022 and 2022-2023 seasons.


A good defender and very good shooter than. Still relative young

Why does he only get the minimum then?

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