Lavine to Raptors?

[vxmike]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

[Godaddycurse]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

A) how can we be done tanking when we havent started yet (our pick went to SAS this year)
B) lavine puts us into the tax next year
C) our bench will become worst in league (again)

[vxmike]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

A) how can we be done tanking when we havent started yet (our pick went to SAS this year)
B) lavine puts us into the tax next year
C) our bench will become worst in league (again)

A) well your team is basically set so why not start winning? Why chew up years of your young guys continuing to suck?

B) Does he with dumping Okynyk’s money plus a rising cap?

C) Isn’t that the goal if you’re trying to tank?

[giberish]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

A) how can we be done tanking when we havent started yet (our pick went to SAS this year)
B) lavine puts us into the tax next year
C) our bench will become worst in league (again)

A) well your team is basically set so why not start winning? Why chew up years of your young guys continuing to suck?

B) Does he with dumping Okynyk’s money plus a rising cap?

C) Isn’t that the goal if you’re trying to tank?

It's tough to claim LaVine helps Toronto win (justifying going into the luxury tax for him) while simultaneously pointing out how the trade helps Toronto's tank.

Also, if a team was willing to give up assets for Brown he would already have been traded.

[Godaddycurse]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

A) how can we be done tanking when we havent started yet (our pick went to SAS this year)
B) lavine puts us into the tax next year
C) our bench will become worst in league (again)

A) well your team is basically set so why not start winning? Why chew up years of your young guys continuing to suck?

B) Does he with dumping Okynyk’s money plus a rising cap?

C) Isn’t that the goal if you’re trying to tank?

Yes he does. Starting line up would take up 165M leaving 22M for remaining 9 roster spots.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah this idea that Brown has positive value that goes to Toronto but you are crediting Chicago with giving it to them is weird. And that whole problem of Masai picking up his option while telling us all he's a trade asset only to find out what we were almost all saying--he has no value on that number.

I cannot imagine why Toronto wants to lock into a play-in level roster all locked up on big long-term deals like that. I mean you could argue every single starter has no upside on those contracts and some are really bad like the guy you want them to add.

Seems like a huge win for Chicago getting off a guy they can't move for free.

[jbk1234]

It would be an odd choice to trade Siakam and O.G. due to team building concerns only to turn around and assemble a tax team with an even lower ceiling.

[Godaddycurse]

I mean you could argue every single starter has no upside on those contracts and some are really bad like the guy you want them to add.

Barnes is turning 23 and made an all star game already..

[Texas Chuck]

I mean you could argue every single starter has no upside on those contracts and some are really bad like the guy you want them to add.

Barnes is turning 23 and made an all star game already..

I'm not saying the player has no upside. But is he ever going to be great value on a max? I'm not sure especially if Toronto can't add a legit first option to slide him into his ideal role.

But I can't look at anyone on thar roster and think man that guy is about to be a bargain on that contract.



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[Bentley1225]

A) The last 2 1st round picks for Raptors are SGs
B) The 4 largest contracts Raptors have are of greater value than LaVine
C) The Raptors need to manage around extensions to Barnes & Quickley

LaVine + Duarte + 1st for Barrett + Brown would be logistically the only path to making a deal but Barrett is much better value than LaVine so I just don't see it happening.

[Godaddycurse]

I'm not saying the player has no upside. But is he ever going to be great value on a max? I'm not sure especially if Toronto can't add a legit first option to slide him into his ideal role.

But I can't look at anyone on thar roster and think man that guy is about to be a bargain on that contract.

Barnes would return plenty of value on the trade market. Dont have to be a 1st option to be great value on a 25% max, esp in the context of a rising cap next 5 yrs

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not saying the player has no upside. But is he ever going to be great value on a max? I'm not sure especially if Toronto can't add a legit first option to slide him into his ideal role.

But I can't look at anyone on thar roster and think man that guy is about to be a bargain on that contract.

Barnes would return plenty of value on the trade market. Dont have to be a 1st option to be great value on a 25% max

But Toronto isn't going to trade him right? I agree he still would bring a solid return from a team who already has their first option. But Toronto isn't trading him. And none of Poeltl, Barrett, IQ, Brown, (Lavine in this scenario), feel like value contracts at this point.

Right this is why they moved on from Siakam/OG. They could see we aren't good enough with them. Now you've lost 2 of your 3 best players but are still largely locked into a roster that you yourself see as a tanking one. IDK. Just seems not ideal to me.

[wegotthabeet]

We like RJ at the two for now at least.

[jayjaysee]

LaVine + Duarte + 1st for Barrett + Brown would be logistically the only path to making a deal but Barrett is much better value than LaVine so I just don't see it happening.

This is what I would look at for nothing sides.

Maybe it’s the Portland first and/or RJ goes to a third team for another asset to Toronto?

I still believe some team(s) fell for RJ’s end of season play and would trade for him as a positive value player - more so since there’s not many contracts in the league you couldn’t force back on Chicago in this..I think Toronto might be one of those teams though..

[ChettheJet]

I'd say the Bulls are part way in.

First add the 3rd team that wants Brown, who that is depends on what they have to send to TOR. Now if TOR is trying to win more or are tanking that could still be a pick so they aren't taking more money than Lavine. If there's even a 4th team that wants Boucher that's fine too, he's a below average 7 year vet who has run out of potential the Bulls could do with adding a shooter.

If CHI adds Boucher and Olynyk while still having Vucevic I'd see

5 Vucevic Olynyk
4 Smith Boucher/Phillips

[mademan]

All of Toronto's guys are tradeable, so theyre not locked into anything. Lavine, otoh, is not tradeable, at least for value. Dont see a scenario where the Raps pursue him

[Ducksplatt]

I see LaVine as negative value and the assets coming from Toronto are neutral at best. Would need some draft capital which makes no sense from Chicago.

Chicago should just start the season with LaVine to build up his trade value. He seems like a depressed asset currently


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[Texas Chuck]

All of Toronto's guys are tradeable, so theyre not locked into anything.

Are they tradable for value? Poeltl? Doubt it. RJ? doubt it. IQ? doubt it. Yeah if you just want to punt them for a guy someone else doesn't want, okay. But these are not assets on these contracts.

You can move them. My little Mavs keep moving guys not worth their deals for better options, but its also why Dallas has no assets to speak of because it costs something each time you do this.

I really think the Raptors are one of the worst positioned teams right now. They have a young core, but its not very good but its paid. None of those players save Barnes holds any real value and they aren't trading him. There is a bit too much talent to put themselves in the best position to get one of the potential franchise players in next year's draft so its likely adding the 9th or 10 best prospect again. Meh.

I would have rather seen them take a much different approach in the OG trade. Or even just maxed him. They would be better off with a maxed OG than IQ/RJ combining to make 8 figures more than that, right?

IDK. Maybe they will surprise, but just feels like a real low ceiling team with no great matching salary.

[Godaddycurse]

All of Toronto's guys are tradeable, so theyre not locked into anything.

Are they tradable for value? Poeltl? Doubt it. RJ? doubt it. IQ? doubt it. Yeah if you just want to punt them for a guy someone else doesn't want, okay. But these are not assets on these contracts.

You can move them. My little Mavs keep moving guys not worth their deals for better options, but its also why Dallas has no assets to speak of because it costs something each time you do this.

I really think the Raptors are one of the worst positioned teams right now. They have a young core, but its not very good but its paid. None of those players save Barnes holds any real value and they aren't trading him. There is a bit too much talent to put themselves in the best position to get one of the potential franchise players in next year's draft so its likely adding the 9th or 10 best prospect again. Meh.

I would have rather seen them take a much different approach in the OG trade. Or even just maxed him. They would be better off with a maxed OG than IQ/RJ combining to make 8 figures more than that, right?
IDK. Maybe they will surprise, but just feels like a real low ceiling team with no great matching salary.

1) I think Poeltl can be flipped for late 1st from a contending team like Memphis or NYK if Edey doesn't pan out or Robinson is out for prolonged duration. Multiple threads were made and consensus seems to think thats fair value for him
2) IQ is just entering his prime and have a solid chance of getting better as the lead guard. give it 1-2 yrs and his deal will be surplus value imo
3) RJ is a wildcard. If its the same one we saw last year in Toronto he may fetch back positive value too
4) we are not better off with a maxed OG. We needed a real PG in the worst way/IQ fills a bigger need for us

I think the plan is to give IQ/Barnes 2 years to see what they can become. Can always pivot in a year or 2 if the team's future look bleak (ie cant make playoffs).

[Texas Chuck]

I can't see Poeltl returning value when Capela is likely available for essentially free and without the long-term commitment and if he works out you could retain him for likely half or less what Poeltl costs. IDK maybe I'm wrong on him, but I don't see a market.