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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

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I will take this contract over 34 year old Paul George’s 4 year max contract
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#264 » by isiah_thomas » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:37 pm

OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#265 » by kNicksGmen » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:41 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal

yea i feel the same way but it is what it is. wish he would have taken a bit less.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#266 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:46 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal



OG is made of glass, it's the wisest decision to take the money.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#267 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:54 am

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isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal

yea i feel the same way but it is what it is. wish he would have taken a bit less.


He took about 30mil less than his max I thought. He left a pretty big amount on the table.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#268 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:08 pm

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isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal

yea i feel the same way but it is what it is. wish he would have taken a bit less.


He took about 30mil less than his max I thought. He left a pretty big amount on the table.

he took less than the full max the knicks could have given him yea. max anyone else could have given him was 4/182. we gave him 5/212.5.

we gave him more money overall by giving him the 5th year (player option). technically if you go by year he took 3 mil less per year and 12 less total in those 4 years, for that 5th year option and overall more money/security - also the trade kicker.

i guess it can be viewed as "taking less" but to me felt like the knicks had to give more to avoid him potentially leaving which is lame. but it is what it is. originally i think most expected him to get somewhere between 35-40 and ideally closer to 35.

in hindsight, i feel like the 76ers wouldn't have actually made him that offer if they did end up with PG and I assume that was their preference. so then the question is who is offering him the full 4/182 max. i could be wrong though maybe they had the cap for 2 maxes? i forget but if they did that they would have no money left to fill out the roster other than resigning their bird rights guys and vet mins.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#269 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:41 pm

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kNicksGmen wrote:yea i feel the same way but it is what it is. wish he would have taken a bit less.


He took about 30mil less than his max I thought. He left a pretty big amount on the table.

he took less than the full max the knicks could have given him yea. max anyone else could have given him was 4/182. we gave him 5/212.5.

we gave him more money overall by giving him the 5th year (player option). technically if you go by year he took 3 mil less per year and 12 less total in those 4 years, for that 5th year option and overall more money/security - also the trade kicker.

i guess it can be viewed as "taking less" but to me felt like the knicks had to give more to avoid him potentially leaving which is lame. but it is what it is. originally i think most expected him to get somewhere between 35-40 and ideally closer to 35.

in hindsight, i feel like the 76ers wouldn't have actually made him that offer if they did end up with PG and I assume that was their preference. so then the question is who is offering him the full 4/182 max. i could be wrong though maybe they had the cap for 2 maxes? i forget but if they did that they would have no money left to fill out the roster other than resigning their bird rights guys and vet mins.


So he took quite a bit less than his max and, less than the max anyone else could have offered. It's not quite what Jalen did but, it's still taking less to play here. With everyone saying these guys are fools for taking less money, I'll give him props.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#270 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:55 pm

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He took about 30mil less than his max I thought. He left a pretty big amount on the table.

he took less than the full max the knicks could have given him yea. max anyone else could have given him was 4/182. we gave him 5/212.5.

we gave him more money overall by giving him the 5th year (player option). technically if you go by year he took 3 mil less per year and 12 less total in those 4 years, for that 5th year option and overall more money/security - also the trade kicker.

i guess it can be viewed as "taking less" but to me felt like the knicks had to give more to avoid him potentially leaving which is lame. but it is what it is. originally i think most expected him to get somewhere between 35-40 and ideally closer to 35.

in hindsight, i feel like the 76ers wouldn't have actually made him that offer if they did end up with PG and I assume that was their preference. so then the question is who is offering him the full 4/182 max. i could be wrong though maybe they had the cap for 2 maxes? i forget but if they did that they would have no money left to fill out the roster other than resigning their bird rights guys and vet mins.


So he took quite a bit less than his max and, less than the max anyone else could have offered. It's not quite what Jalen did but, it's still taking less to play here. With everyone saying these guys are fools for taking less money, I'll give him props.

i mean i just detailed that it was still more than anyone else could have given him. i don't think many in the league viewed him as worth a full max - it was just philly being desperate and drove up the price on us. all season long after we traded for him expectations were 30-35 - evening citing reports that he was willing to take less to play for NY (prior to being traded here). as the offseason developed people thought closer to 40. i don't view it as taking less at all but to each their own.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#271 » by LookToShoot » Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:10 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal


No, it's smart on his part. He's sacrificing numbers to be on the Nova Knicks. Let's hope they don't freeze him out on the court.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#272 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:13 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
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kNicksGmen wrote:he took less than the full max the knicks could have given him yea. max anyone else could have given him was 4/182. we gave him 5/212.5.

we gave him more money overall by giving him the 5th year (player option). technically if you go by year he took 3 mil less per year and 12 less total in those 4 years, for that 5th year option and overall more money/security - also the trade kicker.

i guess it can be viewed as "taking less" but to me felt like the knicks had to give more to avoid him potentially leaving which is lame. but it is what it is. originally i think most expected him to get somewhere between 35-40 and ideally closer to 35.

in hindsight, i feel like the 76ers wouldn't have actually made him that offer if they did end up with PG and I assume that was their preference. so then the question is who is offering him the full 4/182 max. i could be wrong though maybe they had the cap for 2 maxes? i forget but if they did that they would have no money left to fill out the roster other than resigning their bird rights guys and vet mins.


So he took quite a bit less than his max and, less than the max anyone else could have offered. It's not quite what Jalen did but, it's still taking less to play here. With everyone saying these guys are fools for taking less money, I'll give him props.

i mean i just detailed that it was still more than anyone else could have given him. i don't think many in the league viewed him as worth a full max - it was just philly being desperate and drove up the price on us. all season long after we traded for him expectations were 30-35 - evening citing reports that he was willing to take less to play for NY (prior to being traded here). as the offseason developed people thought closer to 40. i don't view it as taking less at all but to each their own.


He took less per year on average than anyone else could have offered him. He took less than we could have offered him. Both cases he took less money. Is it as much of a discount as people may have preferred? Probably not but, it is less than the max that anyone could have offered him. Period. He left money on the table either way.

You can assume all you want about what other teams would be willing to pay. You have no possible way of knowing that at all. Reports were multiple teams were offering the max from what I recall.

In the end he left plenty of money on the table to make a difference. 50mil vs 43mil from us is 35mil less. 43mil vs 45.5mil from other teams is 10mil less. Is that correct math? He took less in both scenarios.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#273 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:30 pm

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So he took quite a bit less than his max and, less than the max anyone else could have offered. It's not quite what Jalen did but, it's still taking less to play here. With everyone saying these guys are fools for taking less money, I'll give him props.

i mean i just detailed that it was still more than anyone else could have given him. i don't think many in the league viewed him as worth a full max - it was just philly being desperate and drove up the price on us. all season long after we traded for him expectations were 30-35 - evening citing reports that he was willing to take less to play for NY (prior to being traded here). as the offseason developed people thought closer to 40. i don't view it as taking less at all but to each their own.


He took less per year on average than anyone else could have offered him. He took less than we could have offered him. Both cases he took less money. Is it as much of a discount as people may have preferred? Probably not but, it is less than the max that anyone could have offered him. Period. He left money on the table either way.

You can assume all you want about what other teams would be willing to pay. You have no possible way of knowing that at all. Reports were multiple teams were offering the max from what I recall.

In the end he left plenty of money on the table to make a difference. 50mil vs 43mil from us is 35mil less. 43mil vs 45.5mil from other teams is 10mil less. Is that correct math? He took less in both scenarios.

agree to disagree. maybe the sixers offer him the max maybe not - knicks could then have matched it or offered what they did - which was more total money, a 15% trade kicker and player option.

you're saying i'm assuming and have no way of knowing what he would have been offered - neither do you. and again, knicks gave him 30.5 million more than any other team could have possibly offered - with a trade kicker. the idea that it was less or a discount i can't agree with. knicks overpaid to avoid him going to free agency and potentially leaving. it is what it is - i'm not mad at him. in contrast to what brunson did it certainly looks greedy and to act like he "took less" isn't how i see it.

i love OG - but is he even a top 50 player? i understand a lot of guys get maxes that don't deserve it, but just because some guys get overpaid doesn't make his deal look like anything less than fair value at best and an overpay at worst. with the cap expected to rise - and thankfully brunson signing his extension, his contract can be managed. but he is maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on the team getting paid by far the most (over a quarter of the cap). Also when you consider he's expected to miss 20 games or so, on a games played basis he's getting crazy money. if he's healthy and plays 70+ games and performs in the playoffs he's worth every penny. the injury history makes it a concerning contract.

in a vacuum it doesn't look that bad, but when basically every other guy on the team is on a bargain contract it stands out. mikal bridges (a better player that misses 0 games) is likely going to extend for less annually/total soon as well. Randle we'll see what happens.
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Re: OG to re-sign 5 years $212mil 

Post#274 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
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kNicksGmen wrote:i mean i just detailed that it was still more than anyone else could have given him. i don't think many in the league viewed him as worth a full max - it was just philly being desperate and drove up the price on us. all season long after we traded for him expectations were 30-35 - evening citing reports that he was willing to take less to play for NY (prior to being traded here). as the offseason developed people thought closer to 40. i don't view it as taking less at all but to each their own.


He took less per year on average than anyone else could have offered him. He took less than we could have offered him. Both cases he took less money. Is it as much of a discount as people may have preferred? Probably not but, it is less than the max that anyone could have offered him. Period. He left money on the table either way.

You can assume all you want about what other teams would be willing to pay. You have no possible way of knowing that at all. Reports were multiple teams were offering the max from what I recall.

In the end he left plenty of money on the table to make a difference. 50mil vs 43mil from us is 35mil less. 43mil vs 45.5mil from other teams is 10mil less. Is that correct math? He took less in both scenarios.

agree to disagree. maybe the sixers offer him the max maybe not - knicks could then have matched it or offered what they did - which was more total money, a 15% trade kicker and player option.

you're saying i'm assuming and have no way of knowing what he would have been offered - neither do you. and again, knicks gave him 30.5 million more than any other team could have possibly offered - with a trade kicker. the idea that it was less or a discount i can't agree with. knicks overpaid to avoid him going to free agency and potentially leaving. it is what it is - i'm not mad at him. in contrast to what brunson did it certainly looks greedy and to act like he "took less" isn't how i see it.

i love OG - but is he even a top 50 player? i understand a lot of guys get maxes that don't deserve it, but just because some guys get overpaid doesn't make his deal look like anything less than fair value at best and an overpay at worst. with the cap expected to rise - and thankfully brunson signing his extension, his contract can be managed. but he is maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on the team getting paid by far the most (over a quarter of the cap). Also when you consider he's expected to miss 20 games or so, on a games played basis he's getting crazy money. if he's healthy and plays 70+ games and performs in the playoffs he's worth every penny. the injury history makes it a concerning contract.

in a vacuum it doesn't look that bad, but when basically every other guy on the team is on a bargain contract it stands out. mikal bridges (a better player that misses 0 games) is likely going to extend for less annually/total soon as well. Randle we'll see what happens.


It's simple math bro. He took less on average than anyone could have offered him. That's leaving money on the table. Period end of story. I didn't assume anything. It was reported multiple teams were ready to offer him the max. You are acting like you know what one team would have offered him. It doesn't change the facts. 43 is less than 45.5 and 50. So it is less money.

The trade kicker is meaningless.
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Post#275 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:29 pm

Just call him G now, for Greedy
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Post#276 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:36 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:OG greed is evident after the Brunson deal


Man if we're gonna use Brunson as the standard from now on, the whole league is gonna be greedy.
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thebuzzardman wrote:Just call him G now, for Greedy


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Post#279 » by Kampuchea » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:41 pm

OG won’t be playing as long as Brunson with the way he gets injured, even more important he gets paid now.
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Post#280 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:43 pm

How long will it take OG to make up the disparity by paying for team dinners, as suggested by Jalen in his podcast?
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