Summer League

[Norm2953]

[quote="Walton1one"]I will mention this again, Clingan is two years younger than Edey and playing on a roster that is awful and burdened with horrible PG ‘s.

He went 1-9, 3 of those shots were 3pt FG, which he will not be asked to shoot, he was fouled on 2 other attempts, so 1-4 on other attempts, had only 1 nice actual post up attempt, which he scored with a nice lefty hook.

13 boards
5 blocks
and a total rim deterrent, defense was good, overall not bad for his 1st actual game.

This is what we can expect, when Cronin & co surround him with a bunch of sub par\non NBA players. There were way too many horrible interior passes/passes in general to count, the guards and other players could literally not get him the ball, pathetic.[/quote

I believe Miller was playing for the USA select team and decided to play in the first summer league game .

Don't know why Scoot was sitting out the summer league for there is a photo of the vet guys in the
front row. He perhaps thinks he's the only natural PG on the roster and the decision to not keep Kolek
removed his sense of urgency. He'd better produce in his soph season for there are a ton of guards in
the 2025 draft

[Goldbum]

I base nothing on summer league especially in regards to big men. Donovan was the right pick, higher potential upside with his physical tools

Facts.

[PDXKnight]

Early returns are not great but basically as expected.

He was not quite as fluid or quick as I was hoping for (tough to see him staying in front of guards like you need elite switchable bigs to do) and he looked pretty gassed at times but he does a great job using his size, verticality and positioning to defend. Almost zero offensive skill tho, fumbled some interior passes (not always his fault) and looked uncomfortable posting up and shooting from what I saw (made his FTs tho!)

Of course summer league is not really suited to showing off bigs, and it would have been nice to have a real PG out there (why did we have to trade Kolek) so as long as Clingan is putting up rebounds and blocks then he is doing what we need him to do for now...

I think if you didn’t buy into the bunk reports that he had some offensive bag that UConn wouldn’t let him unlock, which was always wild, then he should have met expectations. A elite rebounder and arguably defensive savant that might be a rich man’s Prybilla on offense but has the work ethic and youth to not be that guy on offense as well.

Przybilla with offense would be awesome, probably a top 5 center if he could play that sort of defense and put up even just 15 ppg with some jumpers and 3s in there

[cdubbz]

Some other SL notes:

Sad seeing that Miller\Podz (GS) were playing, amongst other 1yr players who played a lot more/better than Scoot last year, and yet he is not playing, that’s just a poor decision, one of many by mgmt.

Also, I don’t want to hear that they’re saving him for the season when, as long as Ant is here, he will be coming off the bench\playing limited minutes anyway. This team is just so poorly run.

Kolek Looks good for NY, Might’ve been a pretty nice back up point guard prospect

Sheppard was great, Salaun looked raw but impressive, Knecht had a nice game after several sub par outings earlier

This team is definitely poorly run. Hopefully Scoot is 100% motivated by not being on the USA Select team as well. I wonder if there was a reason why Scoot wasn't part of summer league.

The next Blazer game is against 76ers who have a solid big man in Keve Aluma -- Good challenge for Clingan.

[Norm2953]

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2024/7/14/24198198/breaking-down-tyler-koleks-knicks-debut

I really hated the Blazers trading the draft rights to Kolek to the Knicks

[zzaj]

It’s funny to me that the Blazers have 2 completely oppositely skilled centers on their roster now. If only we could take 60% of Ayton’s shooting ability and meld it into Clingan. lol

In all seriousness, once Clingan gets a better sense of his real teammates and learns the Blazer book, he’ll be fine. Good BBIQ, takes up a lot of space, plays good positional and close-in help defense. Will make the occasional shot.

My only realistic hope for him is that his FT% continues to climb and that he stays healthy.

[Bigpoppapomp82]

Watched the first half of the game and our guards SUCK! Why do you have a giant setting screens repeatedly beyond the 3 pt line only to turn the ball over or not hit the roll man.

I legit think just how Scoot and Ayton shows some flashes of the P&R more in the top of the key to the 3pt line area Clingan and Scoot can do the same.

I don’t take much from summer league games as all the cats who don’t have a contract are just gonna chuck to try and get a spot.

[Pattycakes]

It’s funny to me that the Blazers have 2 completely oppositely skilled centers on their roster now. If only we could take 60% of Ayton’s shooting ability and meld it into Clingan. lol

In all seriousness, once Clingan gets a better sense of his real teammates and learns the Blazer book, he’ll be fine. Good BBIQ, takes up a lot of space, plays good positional and close-in help defense. Will make the occasional shot.

My only realistic hope for him is that his FT% continues to climb and that he stays healthy.

l will continue to reiterate what Chauncey already said, get used to seeing DA and DC play together. That’s what management has them both for is to compliment each other.

[PDXKnight]

It’s funny to me that the Blazers have 2 completely oppositely skilled centers on their roster now. If only we could take 60% of Ayton’s shooting ability and meld it into Clingan. lol

In all seriousness, once Clingan gets a better sense of his real teammates and learns the Blazer book, he’ll be fine. Good BBIQ, takes up a lot of space, plays good positional and close-in help defense. Will make the occasional shot.

My only realistic hope for him is that his FT% continues to climb and that he stays healthy.

l will continue to reiterate what Chauncey already said, get used to seeing DA and DC play together. That’s what management has them both for is to compliment each other.

If he means playing at the same time we are in trouble as da has zero business playing the 4 on either end of the ball especially defensively

[Waynearchetype]

Thoughts on Clingan: The offense doesn't worry me, summer league isn't ideal for that kind of player.

The conditioning was terrifying though. Given that he spent 2 years in college and has plenty of time to work on his body I was shocked at how gassed and sweaty he was after 20 minutes.

[Walton1one]

Hasn’t Ant been present for other summer leagues?

I thought it was odd that he wasn’t there, yet all the other players were there? I think Grant has missed before, he usually does his own thing.

Ant not being there coupled with Cronin’s recent comments, seems a little bit odd,

I know some people are saying it’s not a big deal, don’t read anything into it, just a coincidence. Not so sure.

[zzaj]

Thoughts on Clingan: The offense doesn't worry me, summer league isn't ideal for that kind of player.

The conditioning was terrifying though. Given that he spent 2 years in college and has plenty of time to work on his body I was shocked at how gassed and sweaty he was after 20 minutes.

If you can be terrified about anything, I suppose “conditioning” is about the best possible terror, lol.

[Myth]

Some other SL notes:

Sad seeing that Miller\Podz (GS) were playing, amongst other 1yr players who played a lot more/better than Scoot last year, and yet he is not playing, that’s just a poor decision, one of many by mgmt.

Also, I don’t want to hear that they’re saving him for the season when, as long as Ant is here, he will be coming off the bench\playing limited minutes anyway. This team is just so poorly run.

Kolek Looks good for NY, Might’ve been a pretty nice back up point guard prospect

Sheppard was great, Salaun looked raw but impressive, Knecht had a nice game after several sub par outings earlier

This team is definitely poorly run. Hopefully Scoot is 100% motivated by not being on the USA Select team as well. I wonder if there was a reason why Scoot wasn't part of summer league.

The next Blazer game is against 76ers who have a solid big man in Keve Aluma -- Good challenge for Clingan.

With Rupert and Murray still trying to prove if they are NBA talents, I wonder if the decision to keep Scoot out was to force the ball in their hands more to see what they can do in bigger roles. Putting Scoot out there would be great for practicing pick and rolls with Clingan, but takes the ball out of the hands of Rupert and Murray. Also, summer league isn’t too different from G-League in my mind, so I wonder if they figured he doesn’t really learn much new playing at that level again given how long he already played G-League.

[Myth]

Thoughts on Clingan: The offense doesn't worry me, summer league isn't ideal for that kind of player.

The conditioning was terrifying though. Given that he spent 2 years in college and has plenty of time to work on his body I was shocked at how gassed and sweaty he was after 20 minutes.

I wasn’t very impressed with his hands. He seems to struggle securing the ball a bit. Easy looking rebounds look like he bats them around a bit. He ultimately still had a lot given that he is so huge, but if it is a thing, it looks like it may result in random easy baskets for the opponents when he unexpectedly just knocks it to an opponent under the basket. I’m going to like his hustle and size, but I wasn’t terribly impressed with his skills. But it is only one game.

[tester551]

Thoughts on Clingan: The offense doesn't worry me, summer league isn't ideal for that kind of player.

The conditioning was terrifying though. Given that he spent 2 years in college and has plenty of time to work on his body I was shocked at how gassed and sweaty he was after 20 minutes.

I wasn’t very impressed with his hands. He seems to struggle securing the ball a bit. Easy looking rebounds look like he bats them around a bit. He ultimately still had a lot given that he is so huge, but if it is a thing, it looks like it may result in random easy baskets for the opponents when he unexpectedly just knocks it to an opponent under the basket. I’m going to like his hustle and size, but I wasn’t terribly impressed with his skills. But it is only one game.

Conditioning, poor shooting, & poor hands were easily seen in his game film at UConn.

We'll see if he can develop into a rotation quality player. I have my doubts....

[Myth]

Thoughts on Clingan: The offense doesn't worry me, summer league isn't ideal for that kind of player.

The conditioning was terrifying though. Given that he spent 2 years in college and has plenty of time to work on his body I was shocked at how gassed and sweaty he was after 20 minutes.

I wasn’t very impressed with his hands. He seems to struggle securing the ball a bit. Easy looking rebounds look like he bats them around a bit. He ultimately still had a lot given that he is so huge, but if it is a thing, it looks like it may result in random easy baskets for the opponents when he unexpectedly just knocks it to an opponent under the basket. I’m going to like his hustle and size, but I wasn’t terribly impressed with his skills. But it is only one game.

Conditioning, poor shooting, & poor hands were easily seen in his game film at UConn.

We'll see if he can develop into a rotation quality player. I have my doubts....

Yeah, the only games I watched of his in college were both title games, and that was the gist I got, and Summer League didn’t change any of my perception (both the good and bad). My biggest worry is still rotating to close out on the perimeter, which also still was concerning. I still think he was the right pick due to need and not having the most faith in the other options either.

[cdubbz]

Some other SL notes:

Sad seeing that Miller\Podz (GS) were playing, amongst other 1yr players who played a lot more/better than Scoot last year, and yet he is not playing, that’s just a poor decision, one of many by mgmt.

Also, I don’t want to hear that they’re saving him for the season when, as long as Ant is here, he will be coming off the bench\playing limited minutes anyway. This team is just so poorly run.

Kolek Looks good for NY, Might’ve been a pretty nice back up point guard prospect

Sheppard was great, Salaun looked raw but impressive, Knecht had a nice game after several sub par outings earlier

This team is definitely poorly run. Hopefully Scoot is 100% motivated by not being on the USA Select team as well. I wonder if there was a reason why Scoot wasn't part of summer league.

The next Blazer game is against 76ers who have a solid big man in Keve Aluma -- Good challenge for Clingan.

With Rupert and Murray still trying to prove if they are NBA talents, I wonder if the decision to keep Scoot out was to force the ball in their hands more to see what they can do in bigger roles. Putting Scoot out there would be great for practicing pick and rolls with Clingan, but takes the ball out of the hands of Rupert and Murray. Also, summer league isn’t too different from G-League in my mind, so I wonder if they figured he doesn’t really learn much new playing at that level again given how long he already played G-League.

That’s a good point. If that’s the case then I’m fine with it. They know what they have in Scoot and need to see Rupert & Murray. Unfortunately seems like Murray is the not good twin.

[zzaj]

Watching Da Silva with the Magic has me feeling a bit bummed...obviously Deni is the better option (I believe they are the same age), but I really liked Da Silva in this draft. Would have loved having him as a Blazer...

So far we're seeing this class show out pretty much exactly how I thought it would--a ton of good players in the late first and early second. Of course fit and opportunity are often what makes and breaks young NBA players. It'll be interesting to see who gets the support and time...

[Myth]

This team is definitely poorly run. Hopefully Scoot is 100% motivated by not being on the USA Select team as well. I wonder if there was a reason why Scoot wasn't part of summer league.

The next Blazer game is against 76ers who have a solid big man in Keve Aluma -- Good challenge for Clingan.

With Rupert and Murray still trying to prove if they are NBA talents, I wonder if the decision to keep Scoot out was to force the ball in their hands more to see what they can do in bigger roles. Putting Scoot out there would be great for practicing pick and rolls with Clingan, but takes the ball out of the hands of Rupert and Murray. Also, summer league isn’t too different from G-League in my mind, so I wonder if they figured he doesn’t really learn much new playing at that level again given how long he already played G-League.

That’s a good point. If that’s the case then I’m fine with it. They know what they have in Scoot and need to see Rupert & Murray. Unfortunately seems like Murray is the not good twin.

When do we ever have the good twin?
Murray
Harvey Grant
Robin Lopez
even 5 games of Jarron Collins

[Myth]

Watching Da Silva with the Magic has me feeling a bit bummed...obviously Deni is the better option (I believe they are the same age), but I really liked Da Silva in this draft. Would have loved having him as a Blazer...

So far we're seeing this class show out pretty much exactly how I thought it would--a ton of good players in the late first and early second. Of course fit and opportunity are often what makes and breaks young NBA players. It'll be interesting to see who gets the support and time...

I had a similar reaction to seeing Fluphy’s box score, who fell to 35, but we traded our 34. That said , 3 Future 2nds gives us a chance to nab a future guy who falls.