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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#81 » by 7r5ur » Sun Jul 14, 2024 6:49 am

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Mr Peanut wrote:The takes on here after one summer league game are laughable :lol:. Hopefully people understand that this was Holland's first proper game time since January due to injury. Outside of those three egregious drives where he got stripped I thought he actually looked pretty solid. Still has a lot to work on, including his outside shot.

Klintman looked better than I expected which was nice to see.


He missed 2 completely wide open shots, the other team didn't even bothered sending anyone his direction.

He got stripped 3 times doing the exactly same thing, back to back to back, which shows how dumb he is as a basketball player.

He got the ball stolen from him near the half court when he tried to initiate the offense, when we were behind but he game was still within reach.

He did a few other dumb stuff on offense. A lot actually and he showed 0 confidence, Hayes level of lack of confidence in my opinion.

Ausar is raw, but he understand the game, he is really a passable shot away from being a very good basketball player.

Holland is nowhere near that level. He is clueless and his skills are bad. He is the kind of prospect you gamble in the 2nd round, not at #5.


It's one game! His first actual game since January as far as I can tell. Holland is also 2.5 years younger than Ausar!! Of course he won't be as far along in some aspects of his game. And the shot still definitely looks better than Ausar's. What ridiculous overreactions.

People act like there was any notion going in that Holland was some finished product at barely 19 years old.

"He missed 2 completely wide open shots" - what an absurd reaction... Has no NBA prospect with a future as a good player ever missed a shot before? I guess we'll never know.

Jaylen Brown shot 32% from the field in his first summer league (6 games) BTW.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#82 » by Cowology » Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:38 am

BDM22 wrote:
vege wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:The takes on here after one summer league game are laughable :lol:. Hopefully people understand that this was Holland's first proper game time since January due to injury. Outside of those three egregious drives where he got stripped I thought he actually looked pretty solid. Still has a lot to work on, including his outside shot.

Klintman looked better than I expected which was nice to see.


He missed 2 completely wide open shots, the other team didn't even bothered sending anyone his direction.

He got stripped 3 times doing the exactly same thing, back to back to back, which shows how dumb he is as a basketball player.

He got the ball stolen from him near the half court when he tried to initiate the offense, when we were behind but he game was still within reach.

He did a few other dumb stuff on offense. A lot actually and he showed 0 confidence, Hayes level of lack of confidence in my opinion.

Ausar is raw, but he understand the game, he is really a passable shot away from being a very good basketball player.

Holland is nowhere near that level. He is clueless and his skills are bad. He is the kind of prospect you gamble in the 2nd round, not at #5.


It's one game!
Coulda stopped right there. :lol: This board is so damn dramatic sometimes, it cracks me up. :lol:
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#83 » by JennetteMcCurdy » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:09 am

If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#84 » by thesack12 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:27 pm

JennetteMcCurdy wrote:If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.


1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#85 » by 7r5ur » Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:54 pm

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JennetteMcCurdy wrote:If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.


1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#86 » by thesack12 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:02 pm

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.


1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


I wasn't speaking to the degree of the over-reactions.

As a semi side note, when it comes to summer league people do have a tendency to talk out of both sides of their mouths. When a guy does poorly, then summer league doesn't matter. However, when a guy does well, SL data becomes valuable and they start to project based off the performances.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#87 » by 7r5ur » Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:07 pm

thesack12 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


I wasn't speaking to the degree of the over-reactions.

As a semi side note, when it comes to summer league people do have a tendency to talk out of both sides of their mouths. When a guy does poorly, then summer league doesn't matter. However, when a guy does well, SL data becomes valuable and they start to project based off the performances.

History says that playing great in summer league has very little to do with what you do in the league. Basically every biggest scoring game in the history of summer league has been by dudes who were fringe NBA players. Anthony Morrow, Anthony Randolph, Von Wafer, Marcus Banks, Furkan Korkmaz, and Marcus Sasser are literally the record holders for most points scored in a summer league game.

Meanwhile there's a list of stars that looked really bad in SL. It's fun to watch just to see a first glimpse of young players, but you cannot make bold claims about anything based on it. I recall people were talking crazy about Wemby after he scored 9 points on 2-of-13 in his first summer league game. Then he was one of the best rookies in the history of the NBA.

People just need to breath for one second before hitting "submit" on their posts lol
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#88 » by hoophabit » Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:18 pm

Klintman clearly needs to get stronger, but he definitely has some skills.
Holland had a tough night, but I like his aggressiveness and determination. I also thought he got some of that 'welcome to the league rook' treatment, but SL is different for many reasons.
After thinking about it for a while, either Sasser was told to take a back seat, or he resented being the only regular player from last year asked to go to SL. That might have been his worst performance as a Piston.
All this said, it was the Pistons opening SL game while the 76s came to it after participating in an earlier SL. Drawing no big conclusions from this single game.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#89 » by thesack12 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:29 pm

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


I wasn't speaking to the degree of the over-reactions.

As a semi side note, when it comes to summer league people do have a tendency to talk out of both sides of their mouths. When a guy does poorly, then summer league doesn't matter. However, when a guy does well, SL data becomes valuable and they start to project based off the performances.

History says that playing great in summer league has very little to do with what you do in the league. Basically every biggest scoring game in the history of summer league has been by dudes who were fringe NBA players. Anthony Morrow, Anthony Randolph, Von Wafer, Marcus Banks, Furkan Korkmaz, and Marcus Sasser are literally the record holders for most points scored in a summer league game.

Meanwhile there's a list of stars that looked really bad in SL. It's fun to watch just to see a first glimpse of young players, but you cannot make bold claims about anything based on it. I recall people were talking crazy about Wemby after he scored 9 points on 2-of-13 in his first summer league game. Then he was one of the best rookies in the history of the NBA.

People just need to breath for one second before hitting "submit" on their posts lol


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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#90 » by Sort » Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:45 pm

Sasser not being ready and Klintman looking like he has some NBA tangible skills were my only takeaways - and they were mild at best. Still, if I am going to overreact, having an NBA skilled big locked into a four year contract at 8 million looks solid.

Holland turned 19 a week ago. Ausar is two and a half years older. You can criticize Langdon if you want for taking a long term gamble, but him not being ready to score thirty in a summer league and looking a little lost is to be expected. Just the jump up of athleticism from G League to Summer League will take him to adjust to. He may be a bust - I have no idea - but him looking rough is not alarming in my book.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#91 » by Piston Pete » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:00 pm

Tolu Smith was good yesterday too.

Slawson had moments of good and bad

Holland looked like he was trying too hard. Once he settles in, hoping for improvements in next game or two

Klintman looked solid

Sasser looked bad, both offensively and defensively
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#92 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:13 pm

I missed the game :banghead:
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#93 » by Cowology » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:24 pm

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.


1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions.
Negative people are more vocal in general. Without prompting, an unhappy individual is far more likely to take a survey compared to an individual having a good experience.

Piston fans are no different.

This explains why FUD (fear uncertainty & doubt) is such a strong motivator when dealing with large groups of people. It's easier to manipulate people by scaring them or making them angry than it is to appeal to reason or decency.

And you see that reflected in online behaviors. I do my best to combat it where I can, but a lot of times it's easier to simply not engage. It's giving energy to the wrong people. You wanna tell me how bad the team is based on 1 SL game? K. Cheers. Moving on.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#94 » by JennetteMcCurdy » Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:35 pm

The tough guy approach seems to work best on this board. Until the next game!
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#95 » by vege » Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:00 pm

BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
JennetteMcCurdy wrote:If they would have played well, the slurping would have been rampant on this board. But they didn’t.


1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


There's a lot more than just 1 summer league of information to know this was a waste of a #5 pick. But you do you, you're still making excuses for Ivey so I don't have any hope you'll ever hold any player accountable, it's always something else.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#96 » by Snakebites » Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:34 pm

vege wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


There's a lot more than just 1 summer league of information to know this was a waste of a #5 pick. But you do you, you're still making excuses for Ivey so I don't have any hope you'll ever hold any player accountable, it's always something else.

We really should have hired you as our POBO, vege.
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#97 » by Cowology » Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:42 pm

I think what gets me is the certainty. To be *so* certain. I don't get it. Even projecting out the best case scenario their is an explicit concession that it *may* not happen. It's an "if everything goes well..." type of scenario, but we don't really know. I don't think anybody does.

Which is why the certainty around some of these positions is so baffling to me. I don't know how anybody can be that sure about anything. *shrug*
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#98 » by DBC10 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:02 pm

vege wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
1000% this

Over-reactions definitely go both ways. However, people only take umbrage to it when its critical in nature.

Nah, the negative ones are way more prone to knee-jerk overreactions. Here's the thread from when Sasser put up 40pts and 5 assists last year...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2309145&hilit=summer+league&start=40

No one making deranged exaggerated statements just because a rookie had one good summer league game. That thread only had 3 pages. Meanwhile you've got people in this thread literally saying "what a waste of a #5 pick" like 20 minutes into the FIRST Summer League game of a dude that was 18 years old like a week ago :lol:


There's a lot more than just 1 summer league of information to know this was a waste of a #5 pick. But you do you, you're still making excuses for Ivey so I don't have any hope you'll ever hold any player accountable, it's always something else.


You really don't need to hold anyone accountable nor care that much nor can you do anything about it. It's just a sports team, relax. No need to put such responsibilities on your shoulders. In fact, go outside and enjoy actual community
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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#99 » by joedumars1 » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:12 pm

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Re: SL #1 - Detroit @ Philly - 7pm ESPN2 

Post#100 » by vege » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:53 pm

DBC10 wrote: In fact, go outside and enjoy actual community


I was out with my family the whole day, but thank you for your concerns :lol:

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