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Re: Clippers Summer League 2024 

Post#41 » by esqtvd » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:19 pm

KL2 wrote:Miller the best player on the team again. Didn’t shoot well but he has a knack for drawing fouls. He doesn’t let bad shooting affect his aggressiveness either.

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Brown with a better showing. Fouls still an issue but looked more comfortable with what he was wanting to do.

Christies defense isn’t horrible. Needs some work but he has good movement and instincts.

No one else really standing out.

Keon Johnson, former Clipper, was probably the best player on the floor.


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Keon is 22
Christie turns 19 this month
Jordan Miller and Kobe Brown are both 25 in January

I can't see handing them 15-man roster spots when there are plenty of 26- and 27-year-olds out there who can actually contribute at an NBA level. The math is pretty simple. Hell, Mann and Zu are turning 28 this year. Outside of Christie [who has a real NBA contract and iirc has to be on the 15-man roster], there IS no "youth movement."

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Post#42 » by esqtvd » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:32 pm

Not only PG's but Coffey's minutes too, who stunk up the joint after the ASB. Door's wide open. But I think it's more at the 2 or 3. Although listed at 6-7 in some places, Miller is 6'4 1/2" without shoes, a quarter-inch shorter than Mann although with 4" more wingspan. Even though he played PF in college, he doesn't look overly big out there.


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Post#43 » by esqtvd » Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:45 am

ADD2: For example, DJJ signed with Clippers [3 yr/30M] after talking to the FO and coach dangling minutes at the 3-4. Which is exactly where Basketball Reference had him last year, almost exactly 50/50. He's 27.

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Post#44 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:31 pm

esqtvd wrote:Not only PG's but Coffey's minutes too, who stunk up the joint after the ASB. Door's wide open. But I think it's more at the 2 or 3. Although listed at 6-7 in some places, Miller is 6'4 1/2" without shoes, a quarter-inch shorter than Mann although with 4" more wingspan. Even though he played PF in college, he doesn't look overly big out there.

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Even for the NBA that discrepancy seems higher than average- I guess ~6'6" tops would be a more 'realistic' listed height for Miller. That wingspan is nice though 8-) , and noticeable in photos. The fact that Miller has changed positions since college is a good sign IMO in terms of actually growing his game (which Terance was able to do.) I'm not going to get overly excited but I think he will get a chance to prove himself in camp and preseason. I always see him listed at guard, I agree 2/3 is more his position in the NBA (ideally more 2 than 3.)

Still expecting KPJ to be the most impactful addition- hopefully all on the court...

If Terance had a couple more inches in wingspan, I think he'd actually be the more reliable scorer we wish he'd be. If he could consistently get into the paint and create room for good shot opportunities, I think he'd be doing it more than he does. As it is he's the size of a 2 and the speed of a 3. That's where a lot of NBA careers end, and he's done great for himself in this league.
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Re: Clippers Summer League 2024 

Post#45 » by esqtvd » Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:21 pm

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Post#46 » by KL2 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:28 am

Up 13 at the half against the Bucks.

Brown and Diabate look active and comfortable.

Looks like they’re experimenting a wee bit with Christie handling the ball.

Miller not a lot of opportunities but making the most of them. After going 21-21 at the ft he’s 2-6 tonight.
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Post#47 » by KL2 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:28 am

Clippers win. 3-0 now.

Definitely the Brown and Diabate game.

Miller continues to do his thing. Only knock was his ft shooting. Solid and consistent though. That one legged shot at the end. Sweet.

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Christie looks more comfortable with each game. That shooting stroke. Niice.

Really like Dennis and Harkless. Both solid but no room here. Hopefully they can stick with the SD team.

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Post#48 » by Clemenza » Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:44 am

Good all around game from everyone. Jordan was Jordan. I still say he makes the main team. Kobe was good, although his shooting is still shaky. Cam Christie is definitely in our future. Are we sure we're letting Diabate walk? He's a good piece to have on the bench going forward as he does pretty much everything except outside shooting. I'd stick with Diabate and move on from Kai Jones if I was L. Frank.
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Post#49 » by KL2 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:53 am

The usual guys doing their thing. Miller, Brown, Diabate, and Christie.

Harkless and Dennis continue to be the most impressive guys on the outside looking in. Would be nice to retain them but numbers crunch will prevent that.

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Post#50 » by Clipp312s » Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:53 pm

Best summer league team we've had in a while. This was the type of game I wanted to see from Kobe Brown. Can he bang down low and finish around the rim, because that's what we need on the main team. This was one of his more impressive games, and increased his chance to get some meaningful minutes on the main team.

Jordan, Cam and Moussa were solid. Wish we could run more plays for Cam (ala JJ Reddick) to see him take more open threes. The stroke is a beauty, but he can't create his own shot right now.

EJ Harkless continues to impress me. He brought us back into the game initially and has such a firey defensive mindset. Could be a two-day contract, since we've got 3 spots this year. Jordan Miller is a lock for one unless we make a big trade and he moves into the main line-up.

Will be fun to see Clippers in the Semi-Finals!
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Post#51 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:30 pm

I am really crossing my fingers for Jordan Miller to flash something on the big club, but keep in mind statistically he’s been pretty close to Jay Scubb in the G-League. Scrubb is also almost a year younger than Miller.

I think Miller has a longer wingspan which will give him a somewhat longer effective height.
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Post#52 » by KL2 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:47 pm

Clipp312s wrote:Best summer league team we've had in a while. This was the type of game I wanted to see from Kobe Brown. Can he bang down low and finish around the rim, because that's what we need on the main team. This was one of his more impressive games, and increased his chance to get some meaningful minutes on the main team.

Jordan, Cam and Moussa were solid. Wish we could run more plays for Cam (ala JJ Reddick) to see him take more open threes. The stroke is a beauty, but he can't create his own shot right now.

EJ Harkless continues to impress me. He brought us back into the game initially and has such a firey defensive mindset. Could be a two-day contract, since we've got 3 spots this year. Jordan Miller is a lock for one unless we make a big trade and he moves into the main line-up.

Will be fun to see Clippers in the Semi-Finals!


Second game in row where Brown was aggressive in attacking. Competent with the ball in his hand too. The 3 ball is nice but I hate when he settles for it like he did in the first two games. He knows how to use his strength and size to his advantage. He just needs to be consistent with it. There’s minutes for him this year and I hope he takes advantage of it.

Christie has the pump fake and step in and take the shot or floater option. He showed a bit more of that in the last 2 games. He doesn’t lack confidence either. A missed shot isn’t going to keep him from taking the next one. It’ll be interesting to see how his opportunities come this season.

Technically we only have 2 spots open for two-way contracts. Miller has one right now. He’s certainly shown himself worthy of a roster spot but it’s a numbers crunch for now. Agreed on Harkless. He reminds me a bit of Pat Bev. Feisty, full court press, fights through screens, and doesn’t back down to anyone. You have Diabate, Jones, and perhaps Dennis looking for that last one.
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Re: Clippers Summer League 2024 

Post#53 » by clipsfever » Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:22 pm

Miller's got a strange but interesting tool box... skilled with wingspan, but not NBA athletic?

Jalen Rose with no handle and less bravado? (but 3-and-D potential?)

The guard version of Kyle "Slo-Mo" Anderson?
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Post#54 » by Clipp312s » Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:36 pm

The guard version of "Slo-Mo"! That's what I was saying too, funny! That downshift speed always looks like he's going to travel, but he is just very slowly collecting himself. He's got the same move as Shai too where they don't fully extend their arms when they're trying to get a defender off them, so they're able to separate themselves from their opponents without drawing an offensive foul. Wish he was 6'7"/6'8". Could see him at the 4 at that size.
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Post#55 » by esqtvd » Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:45 am

Clipp312s wrote:The guard version of "Slo-Mo"! That's what I was saying too, funny! That downshift speed always looks like he's going to travel, but he is just very slowly collecting himself. He's got the same move as Shai too where they don't fully extend their arms when they're trying to get a defender off them, so they're able to separate themselves from their opponents without drawing an offensive foul. Wish he was 6'7"/6'8". Could see him at the 4 at that size.


Very cool observation. Shai doesn't "slash," he just kind of glides to the hoop and all of a sudden it's two points. And maybe an and-one.

I'm not gonna spend too much time on a non-Clipper, but a quarter of his attempts are at the rim and he hits 75% of them, another quarter are from 3-10 feet [@49%], and another quarter are from 10-16 feet [@53%]. Plus he shot 35% from 3, just to keep 'em honest.

Sick.

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Post#56 » by Clemenza » Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:07 pm

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Clipp312s wrote:Best summer league team we've had in a while. This was the type of game I wanted to see from Kobe Brown. Can he bang down low and finish around the rim, because that's what we need on the main team. This was one of his more impressive games, and increased his chance to get some meaningful minutes on the main team.

Jordan, Cam and Moussa were solid. Wish we could run more plays for Cam (ala JJ Reddick) to see him take more open threes. The stroke is a beauty, but he can't create his own shot right now.

EJ Harkless continues to impress me. He brought us back into the game initially and has such a firey defensive mindset. Could be a two-day contract, since we've got 3 spots this year. Jordan Miller is a lock for one unless we make a big trade and he moves into the main line-up.

Will be fun to see Clippers in the Semi-Finals!


Second game in row where Brown was aggressive in attacking. Competent with the ball in his hand too. The 3 ball is nice but I hate when he settles for it like he did in the first two games. He knows how to use his strength and size to his advantage. He just needs to be consistent with it. There’s minutes for him this year and I hope he takes advantage of it.

Christie has the pump fake and step in and take the shot or floater option. He showed a bit more of that in the last 2 games. He doesn’t lack confidence either. A missed shot isn’t going to keep him from taking the next one. It’ll be interesting to see how his opportunities come this season.

Technically we only have 2 spots open for two-way contracts. Miller has one right now. He’s certainly shown himself worthy of a roster spot but it’s a numbers crunch for now. Agreed on Harkless. He reminds me a bit of Pat Bev. Feisty, full court press, fights through screens, and doesn’t back down to anyone. You have Diabate, Jones, and perhaps Dennis looking for that last one.

Kobe could turn the corner if he could incorporate a form of "bully ball" into his game, but like actually make that a main part of his game like Barkley, Xavier McDaniel, etc. used to do back in the days. Dish out punishment in the paint but still have control and learn how to cut back on committing so many fouls. And of course improve on the 3 ball. He's going to get a shot this season that's for sure. Hopefully he makes the most of it.
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Post#57 » by esqtvd » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:41 pm

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Clipp312s wrote:Best summer league team we've had in a while. This was the type of game I wanted to see from Kobe Brown. Can he bang down low and finish around the rim, because that's what we need on the main team. This was one of his more impressive games, and increased his chance to get some meaningful minutes on the main team.

Jordan, Cam and Moussa were solid. Wish we could run more plays for Cam (ala JJ Reddick) to see him take more open threes. The stroke is a beauty, but he can't create his own shot right now.

EJ Harkless continues to impress me. He brought us back into the game initially and has such a firey defensive mindset. Could be a two-day contract, since we've got 3 spots this year. Jordan Miller is a lock for one unless we make a big trade and he moves into the main line-up.

Will be fun to see Clippers in the Semi-Finals!


Second game in row where Brown was aggressive in attacking. Competent with the ball in his hand too. The 3 ball is nice but I hate when he settles for it like he did in the first two games. He knows how to use his strength and size to his advantage. He just needs to be consistent with it. There’s minutes for him this year and I hope he takes advantage of it.

Christie has the pump fake and step in and take the shot or floater option. He showed a bit more of that in the last 2 games. He doesn’t lack confidence either. A missed shot isn’t going to keep him from taking the next one. It’ll be interesting to see how his opportunities come this season.

Technically we only have 2 spots open for two-way contracts. Miller has one right now. He’s certainly shown himself worthy of a roster spot but it’s a numbers crunch for now. Agreed on Harkless. He reminds me a bit of Pat Bev. Feisty, full court press, fights through screens, and doesn’t back down to anyone. You have Diabate, Jones, and perhaps Dennis looking for that last one.

Kobe could turn the corner if he could incorporate a form of "bully ball" into his game, but like actually make that a main part of his game like Barkley, Xavier McDaniel, etc. used to do back in the days. Dish out punishment in the paint but still have control and learn how to cut back on committing so many fouls. And of course improve on the 3 ball. He's going to get a shot this season that's for sure. Hopefully he makes the most of it.



Well, you hit the nail on the head here. Kobe shot 33% in GL from 3 and is shooting 19% in SL with only 5.8 rebs in 28 mpg. He also AVERAGED a foul-out last year with the big club [6.1 fouls per 36 minutes].

He's producing 16.5 points a game but damn, it's ugly.
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Re: Clippers Summer League 2024 

Post#58 » by KL2 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:54 pm

Brutal way to lose.

Miller fouled out on a bogus call.

Brown missed the second ft that would have tied it.

Diabate and Christie with solid games.

***eta***

Miller showed all he can to earn a spot. If the Clippers were wanting something more from him I’m not sure what. That’s how you to take advantage of SL.

Brown and Diabate were both solid as the games went on. Too bad Browns last taste is a missed ft. A battle between Diabate and Jones in camp could be a lot of fun. I assume Clippers will look to get Diabate signed but it wouldn’t surprise me if another offers him a 2-way contract. Clippers might just be offering a camp deal.

Christie’s shot is so smooth. He doesn’t lack confidence at all. If he could get some burn with the second unit at times he’ll get plenty of open looks. Lethal.

Dennis who’s been solid had two major mistakes in the last minute or so is another bum ending for him.

It was nice to see this team play though.
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Post#59 » by esqtvd » Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:43 pm

Coach Dahntay gave 10 guys significant minutes. This is the gentlemen's agreement in SL, that everybody gets to walk away with some tape [video] to use to get another job.

Memphis really only played 6 guys, with 2 other guys only getting 5 or 6 minutes each. One guy played 38 minutes. No Clipper played more than 27.

https://www.nba.com/game/lac-vs-mem-1522400068/box-score

Great, classy show for the org. Dahntay did himself proud. And Jordan may not only have played himself into a real contract, he might have played himself into a serious look at rotation minutes. WE NEED POINTS.

Technically he may finish 3rd in the SL, but the two guys ahead of him only played 2 games each. Jordan played all 5 and finished with 25.4 ppg. So here's to the THE REAL SCORING CHAMP. :beer:

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Post#60 » by Clemenza » Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:25 am

Tough loss but the crown jewel is that we got some players to work with.

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