DEN/CHA: Naji, prospect, 2nd(s) for Cody Martin

[babyjax13]

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, [one of Jalen Pickett/Hunter Tyson], 2025 DEN 2nd, 2026 DEN 2nd, 2031 DEN 2nd
CHA trades: Cody Martin

Super, super boring trade. Charlotte decides to take a look at one of Denver's prospects, add some seconds, and attempt to rehabilitate Nnaji a bit (who, at worst, is okay filler for a future trade - he obviously doesn't have value, but he can be part of salary matching). Denver tries to solidify their wing rotation a bit after losing KCP. This doesn't get them to where they were (like ... at all), but it does give them 20-24 competent minutes they currently lack.

[HornetJail]

those first two 2nds aren't worth a thing. We'd have to be extremely high on one of Tyson/Pickett to eat that Zeke contract for a 2031 2nd... I would hold out for a 1st or a distant swap, and Denver shouldn't do that.

Cody Martin is a total mess offensively, and has a bad knee that has limited him to 35 total games in 2 years.

If Denver really wants to dump Nnaji and add a 3&D, I'd counter with Nnaji+fringe prospect+2031 1st for Josh Green. Totally understandable if they decline though.

[Godaddycurse]

23M future money cost more than 2 bad seconds and a 2031 2nd to dump. Need a swap in there

[babyjax13]

those first two 2nds aren't worth a thing. We'd have to be extremely high on one of Tyson/Pickett to eat that Zeke contract for a 2031 2nd... I would hold out for a 1st or a distant swap, and Denver shouldn't do that.

Cody Martin is a total mess offensively, and has a bad knee that has limited him to 35 total games in 2 years.

If Denver really wants to dump Nnaji and add a 3&D, I'd counter with Nnaji+fringe prospect+2031 1st for Josh Green. Totally understandable if they decline though.

Denver can't t4ade any of their firsts.

[chrbal]

Zeke might honestly be the most difficult “affordable” player in the league right now. You’re only going to get teams like Detroit, Charlotte, Utah, Washington and such. And Denver doesn’t have enough assets to get rid of him in my opinion

[luciano-davidwesley]

Did we not already acquire most of these seconds in the Reggie Jackson trade anyway?

[HornetJail]

Did we not already acquire most of these seconds in the Reggie Jackson trade anyway?

we got their 2029 and 2030 2nds.

[HornetJail]

those first two 2nds aren't worth a thing. We'd have to be extremely high on one of Tyson/Pickett to eat that Zeke contract for a 2031 2nd... I would hold out for a 1st or a distant swap, and Denver shouldn't do that.

Cody Martin is a total mess offensively, and has a bad knee that has limited him to 35 total games in 2 years.

If Denver really wants to dump Nnaji and add a 3&D, I'd counter with Nnaji+fringe prospect+2031 1st for Josh Green. Totally understandable if they decline though.

Denver can't t4ade any of their firsts.

in theory they can but if they fail to convey any of the top 5 protected 1sts owed in 2025, 2027, 2029, we wouldn't be able to get the pick... that's a risk I'm willing to live with

[amcoolio]

Charlotte doesn't need Nnaji and its way too much money to take without a first coming back

[BelgradeNugget]

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, [one of Jalen Pickett/Hunter Tyson], 2025 DEN 2nd, 2026 DEN 2nd, 2031 DEN 2nd
CHA trades: Cody Martin

Super, super boring trade. Charlotte decides to take a look at one of Denver's prospects, add some seconds, and attempt to rehabilitate Nnaji a bit (who, at worst, is okay filler for a future trade - he obviously doesn't have value, but he can be part of salary matching). Denver tries to solidify their wing rotation a bit after losing KCP. This doesn't get them to where they were (like ... at all), but it does give them 20-24 competent minutes they currently lack.

Denver's 2 best prospects are Christian Braun and Payton Watson, both are very good defenders and similar to Cody Martin. On the other hand, we are still missing backup PG. So I was thinking something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2nd picks/swap??????
CHA trades: Tre Mann

When I proposed trades around Micic in the past, Hornets fans weren't interested, so I thought Mann could be available. Is there a way this could be done and what Denver needs to add?

[HornetJail]

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, [one of Jalen Pickett/Hunter Tyson], 2025 DEN 2nd, 2026 DEN 2nd, 2031 DEN 2nd
CHA trades: Cody Martin

Super, super boring trade. Charlotte decides to take a look at one of Denver's prospects, add some seconds, and attempt to rehabilitate Nnaji a bit (who, at worst, is okay filler for a future trade - he obviously doesn't have value, but he can be part of salary matching). Denver tries to solidify their wing rotation a bit after losing KCP. This doesn't get them to where they were (like ... at all), but it does give them 20-24 competent minutes they currently lack.

Denver's 2 best prospects are Christian Braun and Payton Watson, both are very good defenders and similar to Cody Martin. On the other hand, we are still missing backup PG. So I was thinking something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2nd picks/swap??????
CHA trades: Tre Mann

When I proposed trades around Micic in the past, Hornets fans weren't interested, so I thought Mann could be available. Is there a way this could be done and what Denver needs to add?

again, Denver is a great team for at least two more years, so the late 2nds and one mystery box 2nd seven years from now don't even get you out of Nnaji. If Denver wants to send a swap in like 2030/2031, then that opens up a few options. I think we'd part with Micic before parting with Mann due to age, though I think both play significant roles here next season.

[BelgradeNugget]

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, [one of Jalen Pickett/Hunter Tyson], 2025 DEN 2nd, 2026 DEN 2nd, 2031 DEN 2nd
CHA trades: Cody Martin

Super, super boring trade. Charlotte decides to take a look at one of Denver's prospects, add some seconds, and attempt to rehabilitate Nnaji a bit (who, at worst, is okay filler for a future trade - he obviously doesn't have value, but he can be part of salary matching). Denver tries to solidify their wing rotation a bit after losing KCP. This doesn't get them to where they were (like ... at all), but it does give them 20-24 competent minutes they currently lack.

Denver's 2 best prospects are Christian Braun and Payton Watson, both are very good defenders and similar to Cody Martin. On the other hand, we are still missing backup PG. So I was thinking something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2nd picks/swap??????
CHA trades: Tre Mann

When I proposed trades around Micic in the past, Hornets fans weren't interested, so I thought Mann could be available. Is there a way this could be done and what Denver needs to add?

again, Denver is a great team for at least two more years, so the late 2nds and one mystery box 2nd seven years from now don't even get you out of Nnaji. If Denver wants to send a swap in like 2030/2031, then that opens up a few options. I think we'd part with Micic before parting with Mann due to age, though I think both play significant roles here next season.

I get Charlotte don't need to make this trade, question is would Denver do it after loosing Holmes, but you think, in theory something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2031 swap
CHA trades: Vasilije Micic

could work?

[HornetJail]

Denver's 2 best prospects are Christian Braun and Payton Watson, both are very good defenders and similar to Cody Martin. On the other hand, we are still missing backup PG. So I was thinking something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2nd picks/swap??????
CHA trades: Tre Mann

When I proposed trades around Micic in the past, Hornets fans weren't interested, so I thought Mann could be available. Is there a way this could be done and what Denver needs to add?

again, Denver is a great team for at least two more years, so the late 2nds and one mystery box 2nd seven years from now don't even get you out of Nnaji. If Denver wants to send a swap in like 2030/2031, then that opens up a few options. I think we'd part with Micic before parting with Mann due to age, though I think both play significant roles here next season.

I get Charlotte don't need to make this trade, question is would Denver do it after loosing Holmes, but you think, in theory something like

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, 2031 swap
CHA trades: Vasilije Micic

could work?

i'd consider it. it's a move that hurts now but with high upside

[BlazersBroncos]

If Robert Williams III is playing well and healthy would DEN be interested in -

Robert Williams III for Zeke Nnaji + 2031 LP FRP

[BelgradeNugget]

If Robert Williams III is playing well and healthy would DEN be interested in -

Robert Williams III for Zeke Nnaji + 2031 LP FRP

Unfortunaltely he is not healthy. Averaged 36 games per season before age 26. One of the cases where idea of a player is better than an actual player.

[BlazersBroncos]

If Robert Williams III is playing well and healthy would DEN be interested in -

Robert Williams III for Zeke Nnaji + 2031 LP FRP

Unfortunaltely he is not healthy. Averaged 36 games per season before age 26. One of the cases where idea of a player is better than an actual player.

My idea would be this takes place 30+ games into the season and RWIII is playing well and showing health.

I see the argument for DEN not doing it even in that case as he is so injury prone. Then again, if he stays healthy its a pretty awesome deal for DEN IMO.

The risk is why PDX is taking on Zeke and his deal here. Still, would only happen within the season after RWIII proves himself.

[BelgradeNugget]

If Robert Williams III is playing well and healthy would DEN be interested in -

Robert Williams III for Zeke Nnaji + 2031 LP FRP

Unfortunaltely he is not healthy. Averaged 36 games per season before age 26. One of the cases where idea of a player is better than an actual player.

My idea would be this takes place 30+ games into the season and RWIII is playing well and showing health.

I see the argument for DEN not doing it even in that case as he is so injury prone. Then again, if he stays healthy its a pretty awesome deal for DEN IMO.

The risk is why PDX is taking on Zeke and his deal here. Still, would only happen within the season after RWIII proves himself.

It would take more than 30 games for Williams to prove he is healthy. We have 6 seasons of evidence. So it would take at least 2 full seasons to prove othervise.

Anyway, even if he is healthy it is not worthy for Denver. Denver has Jokic. Backup C plays 15 min at best. AG is PF, and in the playoffs he was also our small ball C. If Denver is willing to trade 2031 LP FRP it would be for a player that plays 28 minutes per game - combo guard or wing. You can find backup Cs for less money. Saric is good enough solution.

As far as Nnaji goes, Denver doesn't have a need to trade him now. He is 23, still has some potential and his contract is declining. Last season, his worst by far, he played 85% of his minutes with other 4 bench players. Maybe this year with diferent bench he will contribute. If not in 2 years he will be pretty tredable. Before KCP went to Orlando it made sense to clear cap space to resign him by dealing Nnaji and 1st. Denver didn't chose that path, kept pick. Now we don't need to do a deal.

[JMAC3]

DEN trades: Zeke Nnaji, [one of Jalen Pickett/Hunter Tyson], 2025 DEN 2nd, 2026 DEN 2nd, 2031 DEN 2nd
CHA trades: Cody Martin

Super, super boring trade. Charlotte decides to take a look at one of Denver's prospects, add some seconds, and attempt to rehabilitate Nnaji a bit (who, at worst, is okay filler for a future trade - he obviously doesn't have value, but he can be part of salary matching). Denver tries to solidify their wing rotation a bit after losing KCP. This doesn't get them to where they were (like ... at all), but it does give them 20-24 competent minutes they currently lack.

Denver sent out their 25, 29, 30 2nds in the Reggie Jackson deal.
So they can really only offer 2 2nds the 26 and 31, which already probably are viewed as low value around the league.

Cody Martin is probably worth 2 2nds on his own, let alone having to take back the awful Nnaji deal.

I probably wouldn't even do it with for 2 2nds even with Strawther included, since Martin has TO in final year you are taking back 23 million extra for a player that isn't good.

[nomansland]

Unfortunaltely he is not healthy. Averaged 36 games per season before age 26. One of the cases where idea of a player is better than an actual player.

My idea would be this takes place 30+ games into the season and RWIII is playing well and showing health.

I see the argument for DEN not doing it even in that case as he is so injury prone. Then again, if he stays healthy its a pretty awesome deal for DEN IMO.

The risk is why PDX is taking on Zeke and his deal here. Still, would only happen within the season after RWIII proves himself.

It would take more than 30 games for Williams to prove he is healthy. We have 6 seasons of evidence. So it would take at least 2 full seasons to prove othervise.

Anyway, even if he is healthy it is not worthy for Denver. Denver has Jokic. Backup C plays 15 min at best. AG is PF, and in the playoffs he was also our small ball C. If Denver is willing to trade 2031 LP FRP it would be for a player that plays 28 minutes per game - combo guard or wing. You can find backup Cs for less money. Saric is good enough solution.

As far as Nnaji goes, Denver doesn't have a need to trade him now. He is 23, still has some potential and his contract is declining. Last season, his worst by far, he played 85% of his minutes with other 4 bench players. Maybe this year with diferent bench he will contribute. If not in 2 years he will be pretty tredable. Before KCP went to Orlando it made sense to clear cap space to resign him by dealing Nnaji and 1st. Denver didn't chose that path, kept pick. Now we don't need to do a deal.

Unless it puts Denver into the 2nd apron, I'd do it. 2 years of Williams at $13m vs. 4 years of an untradeable Zeke at $8m, it's a no brainer. Take a chance on Williams, hope to get 50 games out of him per season. At least you know he can play when he's healthy. You can't count on Zeke in the playoffs so if Williams can't play in the playoffs either, what's the difference? And if you get a bit lucky and he can play, it's all bonus for Denver.

[BelgradeNugget]

My idea would be this takes place 30+ games into the season and RWIII is playing well and showing health.

I see the argument for DEN not doing it even in that case as he is so injury prone. Then again, if he stays healthy its a pretty awesome deal for DEN IMO.

The risk is why PDX is taking on Zeke and his deal here. Still, would only happen within the season after RWIII proves himself.

It would take more than 30 games for Williams to prove he is healthy. We have 6 seasons of evidence. So it would take at least 2 full seasons to prove othervise.

Anyway, even if he is healthy it is not worthy for Denver. Denver has Jokic. Backup C plays 15 min at best. AG is PF, and in the playoffs he was also our small ball C. If Denver is willing to trade 2031 LP FRP it would be for a player that plays 28 minutes per game - combo guard or wing. You can find backup Cs for less money. Saric is good enough solution.

As far as Nnaji goes, Denver doesn't have a need to trade him now. He is 23, still has some potential and his contract is declining. Last season, his worst by far, he played 85% of his minutes with other 4 bench players. Maybe this year with diferent bench he will contribute. If not in 2 years he will be pretty tredable. Before KCP went to Orlando it made sense to clear cap space to resign him by dealing Nnaji and 1st. Denver didn't chose that path, kept pick. Now we don't need to do a deal.

Unless it puts Denver into the 2nd apron, I'd do it. 2 years of Williams at $13m vs. 4 years of an untradeable Zeke at $8m, it's a no brainer. Take a chance on Williams, hope to get 50 games out of him per season. At least you know he can play when he's healthy. You can't count on Zeke in the playoffs so if Williams can't play in the playoffs either, what's the difference? And if you get a bit lucky and he can play, it's all bonus for Denver.

Diference is very valuable lightly protected 2031 1st pick as it was proposed. Williams played in 32, 29, 52, 61, 35, 6 games in 6 seasons or average of 36. That is 14 games short of 50. He can't play and there is no hope he will be healthy. I just think if we offer that pick with Nnaji we could get much more. Try to make a thread, and see what offers you will recive.