Lavine to Raptors?

[mademan]

Are they tradable for value? Poeltl? Doubt it. RJ? doubt it. IQ? doubt it. Yeah if you just want to punt them for a guy someone else doesn't want, okay. But these are not assets on these contracts.

I think you overestimate how much these guys are paid relative to a rising cap. IQ taking 19/20% of the cap is definitely moveable for value. He's a fine staring point guard in this league and he's young. Teams would definitely give up value for him.

Poeltl is a starting level C in this league taking up 14% of the cap. I can easily see a team trading a meh first for him+ a contract that runs a year longer for him.

RJ--i dont disagree, but i think he's a contract that can be dumped without too much fuss. Not getting value for him, but he's young enough and has shown enough flashes (especially with the Raps) for a team to take a chance on. And he too is not paid that much relative to the cap.

[vxmike]

All of Toronto's guys are tradeable, so theyre not locked into anything.

Are they tradable for value? Poeltl? Doubt it. RJ? doubt it. IQ? doubt it. Yeah if you just want to punt them for a guy someone else doesn't want, okay. But these are not assets on these contracts.

You can move them. My little Mavs keep moving guys not worth their deals for better options, but its also why Dallas has no assets to speak of because it costs something each time you do this.

I really think the Raptors are one of the worst positioned teams right now. They have a young core, but its not very good but its paid. None of those players save Barnes holds any real value and they aren't trading him. There is a bit too much talent to put themselves in the best position to get one of the potential franchise players in next year's draft so its likely adding the 9th or 10 best prospect again. Meh.

I would have rather seen them take a much different approach in the OG trade. Or even just maxed him. They would be better off with a maxed OG than IQ/RJ combining to make 8 figures more than that, right?

IDK. Maybe they will surprise, but just feels like a real low ceiling team with no great matching salary.

Agree. They have a very low ceiling but shouldn’t be tanking any more. With their expiring contracts plus Olynyk that’s really their only way to add any starting caliber players. They’ve got awesome matching salary right now but for only one more season.

[theBigLip]

This is like two ugly people hooking up at a bar - nothing pretty but something could get done Both teams have been severely mismanaged the last few years.

Chicago will have to wait on Lavine resurrecting his value. Stay healthy, play at least a little D and help the Bulls win. To move him now, some serious assets need to be added.

Toronto got nothing for FVV, waited too long to move OG and Siakam. And what has already been mentioned, they now seem locked into an average roster w little room to maneuver.

[facothomas22]

I see no way a Zach Lavine trade would benefit the Raptors at all. if Lavine plays very well, he could be good enough to prevent the Raptors from tanking for a top draft pick, while not being good enough to be actual playoff team. However if Lavine continues to deal with injury issues and simply not playing up to his contract, the Raptors would be stuck with him, while also risking running into the tax.

[docholliday99]

Agree. They have a very low ceiling but shouldn’t be tanking any more. With their expiring contracts plus Olynyk that’s really their only way to add any starting caliber players. They’ve got awesome matching salary right now but for only one more season.

I would agree if the Raps were playing the short-game and ready to add a big time player to take that step but they're not that team yet. Watching Masai over the years, this feels more like pre 2019. Raps played competitive, continued to draft well with mid to late frps while adding other pieces to develop in the GL. Raps were a really deep team by the time KL came available and then Masai pulled the trigger on several moves.

I think the play now is simply moving Brown for another piece they're interested in, like Cam Johnson or similar salary with term, where it won't put the team into the tax. Or move Brown at the deadline to a team that's looking to pay some draft capitol to get out of or avoid the tax. As for Lavine, he's just not in the Raptor's future, he's the antithesis of the type of player Masai looks for.

[docholliday99]

I can't see Poeltl returning value when Capela is likely available for essentially free and without the long-term commitment and if he works out you could retain him for likely half or less what Poeltl costs. IDK maybe I'm wrong on him, but I don't see a market.

Do you honestly feel that mid level starting C's are worth less than the MLE?

I can see a market for Poeltl over Capela, lots of similarities until you get to passing, Poeltl's one of the better centers passing out of the high post and making reads on the short roll. He's a really smart basketball player on both ends. Raps are a .500+ team with him and an absolute disaster without him. You put Capela in his place and I don't see him with the same impact.

[mowcrowbar]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

They have started tanking, what do you mean finished tanking...

[Yenrallik1111]

With big extensions for Quickley and Barnes the Raptors are capped out moving forward. They’ve got a pretty complete starting lineup outside of SG.

Poetl
Barnes
Barrett
(OPEN)
Quickley

I’m assuming Toronto is done tanking, so their only path to adding talent is trading their expiring money.

What about moving Bruce Brown, Olynyk and Boucher for Lavine? Lavine isn’t worth this trio on his own, so loop in a 3rd team who wants Brown and sends an asset to TOR and a worse player on a shorter/cheaper contract to Chicago. The Bulls don’t want to totally suck and could use the size up front.

The Raptors won’t have a cap problem for a couple years at which point Lavine might be a useful large expiring. He can fill a role for the Raptors who need shooting but won’t be asked to be the #1 option.

Much Much rather just plug brown in at the SG and keep Kelly O and boucher off the bench. Kind of terrible.