NOP needs a center

louc1970 · Post #1 » by **louc1970** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:16 pm

New Orleans needs a center. There appears to be very few teams interested in Ingram. So not using Ingram, which center do you target and what do you offer for the center?

JHFVF07 · Post #2 » by **JHFVF07** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:49 pm

A trade both fanbase would "hate" but that makes a lot of sense would be Murphy+picks for Mobley.

Whole Truth · Post #3 » by **Whole Truth** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:08 pm

(CJ, pick/s) for (Poeltl, cap space).

docholliday99 · Post #4 » by **docholliday99** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:41 pm

Whole Truth wrote:(CJ, pick/s) for (Poeltl, cap space).

I'm not sure CJ is a player the Raptors want but maybe CJ/Missi for Poeltl/Brown/future consideration? I'm honestly not sure what CJ's value is in todays market.

TBH, I thought the Pels were targeting a stretch 5 for Zion, though not sure who's available they can target.

mg · Post #5 » by mg » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:03 pm

I'd be targeting one of the bad EC teams who potentially might want to trade a serviceable big for a pick. Maybe Charlotte would deal Nick Richards? Missi might be able to contribute at some point too.

giberish · Post #6 » by **giberish** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:19 pm

docholliday99 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:(CJ, pick/s) for (Poeltl, cap space).

I'm not sure CJ is a player the Raptors want but maybe CJ/Missi for Poeltl/Brown/future consideration? I'm honestly not sure what CJ's value is in todays market.

TBH, I thought the Pels were targeting a stretch 5 for Zion, though not sure who's available they can target.

Ideally they'd get a stretch-5 but just getting a credible starting option is more the necessity and their options seem rather limited.

IMO it's tough to run with Murray, McCollum and Ingram, so if Ingram is staying than CJ becomes the main trade asset. I don't see his value as that high, but they've got spare 1sts to add into a trade. Toronto does seem like a good target for a trade with Poeltl and Olynyk. Either one + Brown for CJ + 1st seems plausible.

Colbinii · Post #7 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:23 pm

giberish wrote:
docholliday99 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:(CJ, pick/s) for (Poeltl, cap space).

I'm not sure CJ is a player the Raptors want but maybe CJ/Missi for Poeltl/Brown/future consideration? I'm honestly not sure what CJ's value is in todays market.

TBH, I thought the Pels were targeting a stretch 5 for Zion, though not sure who's available they can target.

Ideally they'd get a stretch-5 but just getting a credible starting option is more the necessity and their options seem rather limited.

IMO it's tough to run with Murray, McCollum and Ingram, so if Ingram is staying than CJ becomes the main trade asset. I don't see his value as that high, but they've got spare 1sts to add into a trade. Toronto does seem like a good target for a trade with Poeltl and Olynyk. Either one + Brown for CJ + 1st seems plausible.

Toronto and New Orleans aren't plausible trade partners.

1) Toronto is 420,940 under the Tax.
2) New Orleans is 260,644 over the Tax.

The only way these 2 teams can make a 2-team deal involves New Orleans sending > 260,644 and < 420,940 difference in salary.

GoBobs · Post #8 » by **GoBobs** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:32 pm

mg wrote:I'd be targeting one of the bad EC teams who potentially might want to trade a serviceable big for a pick. Maybe Charlotte would deal Nick Richards? Missi might be able to contribute at some point too.

We kind of need to keep Nick until we know more about the health status of Mark Williams. Even if everything goes well we need a backup. If the pick was good enough we might have to say yes though.

louc1970 · Post #9 » by **louc1970** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:34 pm

JHFVF07 wrote:A trade both fanbase would "hate" but that makes a lot of sense would be Murphy+picks for Mobley.

I have mentioned a similar trade: Murphy/Jones for Mobley/Wade.

JRoy · Post #10 » by **JRoy** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:38 pm

Could I interest you in a Deandre Ayton. Best Deandre in the league at this time.

Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:43 pm

What filler do the Pelicans have to attach to Murphy to make an Allen trade legal?

jayjaysee · Post #12 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:45 pm

Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

Godaddycurse · Post #13 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:46 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

seems like an overpay by pelicans

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:49 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

Collins wasn't good enough to start on a 22-win team last year. He got benched halfway through the season and his extension is just kicking in.

giberish · Post #15 » by **giberish** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:50 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

seems like an overpay by pelicans

Collins was pretty crap last season. I'm iffy on him being an acceptable backup center at this point (I also see Richards as a low-end backup). Feels like NO should be aiming higher.

Post #16 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:52 pm

JRoy wrote:Could I interest you in a Deandre Ayton. Best Deandre in the league at this time.

I don't hate the fundamentals of a Ayton to NO, CJ to LAL, Dlo/Rui to Portland. Probably needs some value from LAL to NO but it seems workable.

jayjaysee · Post #17 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:55 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

Collins wasn't good enough to start on a 22-win team last year. He got benched halfway through the season and his extension is just kicking in.

Yeah, I think I am too high on him. Definitely and overshot the value. Really hated drafting DSJ over him.

But I think he was benched because him and Wemby didn’t work. Think SAS hoped they’d compliment each other enough to overlap - and they did not at all. So he became the backup center.

I didn’t watch enough SAS to really have an opinion. But I still think Collins offers a lot of what NOP needs.

JRoy · Post #18 » by **JRoy** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:05 pm

gswhoops wrote:
JRoy wrote:Could I interest you in a Deandre Ayton. Best Deandre in the league at this time.

I don't hate the fundamentals of a Ayton to NO, CJ to LAL, Dlo/Rui to Portland. Probably needs some value from LAL to NO but it seems workable.

Not interested in the LAL package.

Post #19 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:05 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Not the most reliable answer and maybe SAS doesn’t want to move on from him but..

Collins and Tre Jones for CJM, Hawkins and the NOP 2025 first? Over/under pay? I still am hurt that Dallas didn’t draft him?

Gives NOP about 5 million to spend in free agency and stay under the tax, or trade for a player into their MLE? Say Richards?

Collins wasn't good enough to start on a 22-win team last year. He got benched halfway through the season and his extension is just kicking in.

Yeah, I think I am too high on him. Definitely and overshot the value. Really hated drafting DSJ over him.

But I think he was benched because him and Wemby didn’t work. Think SAS hoped they’d compliment each other enough to overlap - and they did not at all. So he became the backup center.

I didn’t watch enough SAS to really have an opinion. But I still think Collins offers a lot of what NOP needs.

He's not a starting center, he's just paid like one. The last year he actually played at Portland, they had him at PF as a stretch 4 who offered secondary rim protection. He was signed by the Spurs to back up Poeltl. Last season was the first time any team tried him out as a starting center and he was awful as the primary rim protector against starting units.

Post #20 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:06 pm

JRoy wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
JRoy wrote:Could I interest you in a Deandre Ayton. Best Deandre in the league at this time.

I don't hate the fundamentals of a Ayton to NO, CJ to LAL, Dlo/Rui to Portland. Probably needs some value from LAL to NO but it seems workable.

Not interested in the LAL package.

Not sure you can expect much better for Ayton at this point tbh.