OT: Jalen Brunson resigns for $113M less

[Los_29]

They are using different methods yes. Drafting vs free agency and trades. They've used their solid draft picks, RJ, IQ, Grimes in trades to acquire better pieces. What's similar is not the exact methods but the way they are methodically and patiently building a team. And of course the results aren't in yet, the next 2-3 years will tell the tale. But the league consensus is it's a very good front office making good moves.

Also the Knicks and every other team now are operating in a more challenging CBA environment than the one GSW built their dynasty in.

They just traded 6 FRPs for Mikal Bridges. That’s not being patient.

They patiently accumulated those picks over time, until the time was right to strike. The window is now. Can't be patient forever. We'll see if it works out.

Come on, Walt. They accumulated ONE pick. All of the other picks are their own. lol.

And it was a bad deal. 4 unprotected picks, 1 pick swap and a top 4 protected pick from Milwaukee.

I actually don’t know why they brought up GSW either. They have been poorly managed for a long time now. We would actually be the team to be compared with. From 2013-2020, our FO hit on so many moves, many in a big way. Norm, OG, Poeltl, Pascal, Delon, FVV. Plus all of the trades they made. All of that led to a title.

Knicks are nowhere near that unless they can show they can draft and develop players. They have largely whiffed on their draft picks and have relied heavily on free agency.

[WaltFrazier]

They are using different methods yes. Drafting vs free agency and trades. They've used their solid draft picks, RJ, IQ, Grimes in trades to acquire better pieces. What's similar is not the exact methods but the way they are methodically and patiently building a team. And of course the results aren't in yet, the next 2-3 years will tell the tale. But the league consensus is it's a very good front office making good moves.

Also the Knicks and every other team now are operating in a more challenging CBA environment than the one GSW built their dynasty in.

They just traded 6 FRPs for Mikal Bridges. That’s not being patient.

Lol this is the part that kills me. And I'm honestly convinced that sports media is so desperate for the knicks to have a run that they glamorize players like OG....a man who has never been a legit top 3 player on his team. A man who demanded more offensive touches when he didn't deserve them. A man who sits out for every injury 2 to 3 times longer than the normal time period.

Please tell me what this guy has EVER done to warrant his demands for more isolation touches and max contracts. Dude thinks he's kawhi. Fred and norm and Pascal won a chip. OG has literally accomplished nothing. Hasn't yet learned to dribble. Has never played a major role in a playoff series. Yet here he is at 27 making 42 milly per year lol. The buzzword is 'impact'.

And dude got a whole cast of casual fans who love him because he never let them down. Never let them down because he never was burdened with any responsibility. No such thing as a bad OG game for the casuals.

I predict as this following season plays out...it will become apparent that OG is a giant flop. While fred and siakam continue to perform well.

In your irrational hate of OG you are mixing three things. You can blame media if you want. You can say fans overrate him. But it's not fans or media paying him a large contract. And if the Knicks didn't pay him the Sixers or another team would have. You know, NBA front offices whose job it is to evaluate the worth of players.

And as usual not taking defensive impact into account.

But hey Fred brought the Rockets up to an 11th place finish. Only one spot short of the play-in. Good for him

[WaltFrazier]

They just traded 6 FRPs for Mikal Bridges. That’s not being patient.

They patiently accumulated those picks over time, until the time was right to strike. The window is now. Can't be patient forever. We'll see if it works out.

Come on, Walt. They accumulated ONE pick. All of the other picks are their own. lol.

And it was a bad deal. 4 unprotected picks, 1 pick swap and a top 4 protected pick from Milwaukee.

I actually don’t know why they brought up GSW either. They have been poorly managed for a long time now. We would actually be the team to be compared with. From 2013-2020, our FO hit on so many moves, many in a big way. Norm, OG, Poeltl, Pascal, Delon, FVV. Plus all of the trades they made. All of that led to a title.

Knicks are nowhere near that unless they can show they can draft and develop players. They have largely whiffed on their draft picks and have relied heavily on free agency.

Good or bad deal for Bridges remains to be seen.

I don't know all the Knicks draft history, it's only the Leon Rose years that matter. RJ, IQ (draft day swap), Grimes, Sims 2nd round, Robinson 2nd round, Obi Toppin. Doesn't seem too bad but I'm sure there were whiffs in there as well.

All that really matters is how they do the next few years. You just posted yourself you rank them 2nd in the East.

[NBA Sheady]

Love this. He's going to make enough money in his career his kids kids kids kids already have their college paid for.

[LarSiN]

too bad quickly wouldn't do that

Do what? It's not remotely similar at all

[Chandan]

They are certainly going full throttle. But if not now, when?
I appreciate it. Better betting it all, fail and reset in 2-3 years then spend 4-5 season gaslighting the fans.

[greekman]

too bad quickly wouldn't do that

Do what? It's not remotely similar at all

quickly is making the same as brunson. quickly isn't even established yet.

[LarSiN]

too bad quickly wouldn't do that

Do what? It's not remotely similar at all

quickly is making the same as brunson. quickly isn't even established yet.

Quickley is only "making the same as Brunson" because Brunson chose to leave 37 mill per on the table. It's not remotely similar.

[greekman]

Do what? It's not remotely similar at all

quickly is making the same as brunson. quickly isn't even established yet.

Quickley is only "making the same as Brunson" because Brunson chose to leave 37 mill per on the table. It's not remotely similar.

4 yr 150 vs 5 yr 175. yes it's basically the same

[Badonkadonk]

too bad quickly wouldn't do that

Do what? It's not remotely similar at all

quickly is making the same as brunson. quickly isn't even established yet.

Quickley's contract is flat. He has a $35M cap hit throughout the contract.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/70667/immanuel-quickley

Brunson's contract has the typical raise structure. He starts at $35M and will be worth $43.3M by the end.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/26999/jalen-brunson

More importantly, Brunson is the exception. What he did was super rare.

Quickley's process was far more typical (i.e. get as much as you can), although accepting no raises was pretty uncommon for a guy entering his prime and helps the Raptors when they need it most in theory (more room later).

[LarSiN]

quickly is making the same as brunson. quickly isn't even established yet.

Quickley is only "making the same as Brunson" because Brunson chose to leave 37 mill per on the table. It's not remotely similar.

4 yr 150 vs 5 yr 175. yes it's basically the same

Are you deliberately ignoring my point or what? Brunson's "worth" is 37 million more than IQ. He chose to leave that on the table and be severely underpaid (in an unprecedented move). To turn around and compare the contracts is disingenuous, the situations are (say it with me now) not remotely similar.

[agkagk]

Rose is the new masai

“Back door access, you getting jealous”.


Bridges is reportedly next.


World class, Under the table shenanigans at play here.

[sidsid]

This is "They're saying us [Knicks] and Golden State are the super teams" all over again.

Read on Twitter

No one's saying NYK are already a superteam like GSW with their 4 chips. They're saying the Knicks are building a team similar to the way GSW assembled a team in the beginning. And building a team, thoughtfully, is what they're doing. As opposed to the Sixers just throwing a collection of players together.

The comp here is they're hoping the 04 Pistons magic.

- no superstars
- banking on top tier chemistry
- a gang of misfits and castoffs (mostly not drafted by them)
- defense and hustle focus.

Perimeter players for the Knicks are on balance better than the Pistons comps while the bigs are considerably worse. Pistons much better at execution on O which gave them that champ ceiling. Don't see it for the Knicks unless they can fix that stagnation problem.

[DelAbbot]

This is "They're saying us [Knicks] and Golden State are the super teams" all over again.

No one's saying NYK are already a superteam like GSW with their 4 chips. They're saying the Knicks are building a team similar to the way GSW assembled a team in the beginning. And building a team, thoughtfully, is what they're doing. As opposed to the Sixers just throwing a collection of players together.

The comp here is they're hoping the 04 Pistons magic.

- no superstars
- banking on top tier chemistry
- a gang of misfits and castoffs (mostly not drafted by them)
- defense and hustle focus.

Perimeter players for the Knicks are on balance better than the Pistons comps while the bigs are considerably worse. Pistons much better at execution on O which gave them that champ ceiling. Don't see it for the Knicks unless they can fix that stagnation problem.

That pistons team wouldn't win a championship in today's NBA. Need either a superstar creator or 5 out with depth today.

[WaltFrazier]

No one's saying NYK are already a superteam like GSW with their 4 chips. They're saying the Knicks are building a team similar to the way GSW assembled a team in the beginning. And building a team, thoughtfully, is what they're doing. As opposed to the Sixers just throwing a collection of players together.

The comp here is they're hoping the 04 Pistons magic.

- no superstars
- banking on top tier chemistry
- a gang of misfits and castoffs (mostly not drafted by them)
- defense and hustle focus.

Perimeter players for the Knicks are on balance better than the Pistons comps while the bigs are considerably worse. Pistons much better at execution on O which gave them that champ ceiling. Don't see it for the Knicks unless they can fix that stagnation problem.

That pistons team wouldn't win a championship in today's NBA. Need either a superstar creator or 5 out with depth today.

The 5 out thing is newish, but those Pistons were rare even in their time for the lack of superstars, compared to the Shaq Kobe Lakers who they beat.

[PoundTown]

No one's saying NYK are already a superteam like GSW with their 4 chips. They're saying the Knicks are building a team similar to the way GSW assembled a team in the beginning. And building a team, thoughtfully, is what they're doing. As opposed to the Sixers just throwing a collection of players together.

The comp here is they're hoping the 04 Pistons magic.

- no superstars
- banking on top tier chemistry
- a gang of misfits and castoffs (mostly not drafted by them)
- defense and hustle focus.

Perimeter players for the Knicks are on balance better than the Pistons comps while the bigs are considerably worse. Pistons much better at execution on O which gave them that champ ceiling. Don't see it for the Knicks unless they can fix that stagnation problem.

That pistons team wouldn't win a championship in today's NBA. Need either a superstar creator or 5 out with depth today.

Hard to say, but they weren't set up too much unlike this years Wolves team at the 4 and 5, except even better defensively because Sheed was better than KAT in that regard. And playoff Sheed probably better than playoff KAT. Sheed was like ZBO, always better than his regular season stats and it showed in the playoffs that he was an all star calibre guy. Also, they didn't have an Edwards, but Chauncey and Prince were better than Conley and McDaniels and Rip was still good.

That team was built for the times. They let them play agressive, physical D back then and they built a roster to do just that. Currently, I'd say Brunson is a more dynamic scorer than anyone on that Pistons roster was, and I'd have him on Team USA if I was picking it, specifically over White and Hali. I'd have Jaylen Brown and Brunson over White and Hali. Brunson might not be a superstar, but he also might be depends on what you consider a superstar. He's damn close. I think if they have a full healthy roster, they have a chance next year. I'm guessing they will figure out a way to add some center depth before the playoffs next year.