Mt Rushmore of guards

[One_and_Done]

He'd be a better passing, shooting, defending, less turnover prone and higher iq russell westbrook. Basically take all of russell westbrooks flaws except a 3pt shot and remove them. That's oscar robertson.

That player never existed.

Are you saying oscar robertson is a figment of the imagination? Is this the mandela effect at work?

Oscar with the skillset you describe never existed. Also comparing Oscar to Westbrook on any level is absurd. I don't even like Westbrook, but his athleticism, speed and explosiveness in his prime were elite even for athletic modern NBA players. Oscar's highlight footage looks nothing like Westbrook in that regard.

[Curmudgeon]

Magic or MJ. Flip a coin.

[chicago paxsons]

You can still try to be objective though, as opposed to abandoning that in favour of era-relativity assessments.

You can try, but with no tools/evidence that allow you to objectively compare players and eras, you won't ever have objectivity on the subject.

What's worse is that a person could convince themself that they have objectivity and end up believing their opinion is objective fact. Under those circumstances people blind themselves into ignoring every opinion but their own and look for echo chambers where people parrot only what they already believe.

That's like saying you can't argue anything that isn't empirical in a persuasive way, which is clearly false. Might as well abandon most academia in that case, not to mention these forums. How can we discuss what the 'correct' moves are when it's not empirical.

Actually i'm arguing the opposite. People are here talking on this forum because none of this is empirical since empirical things don't need to be argued.

The things believed in academia that isn't media sensationalized is recognized as true as we understand it currently, which is not the same as objective fact.

We discuss the "correct" moves as we currently understand it while recognizing the outcomes we discuss aren't guaranteed. That's why the saying isn't "foresight is 20/20".

Whats entertaining about speculating sports is that none of it is guaranteed. We can be surprised because we can be wrong since our opinions are subjective and not empirical.

[MavsDirk41]

What's the over/under on OP's age? 15 years old? I'm leaning towards the under...

Not sure but no way he is older than 18 for sure

[chicago paxsons]

That player never existed.

Are you saying oscar robertson is a figment of the imagination? Is this the mandela effect at work?

Oscar with the skillset you describe never existed. Also comparing Oscar to Westbrook on any level is absurd. I don't even like Westbrook, but his athleticism, speed and explosiveness in his prime were elite even for athletic modern NBA players. Oscar's highlight footage looks nothing like Westbrook in that regard.

That's funny since oscar robertson is the blueprint for the heliocentric big guard archetype of westbrook, doncic, ect...

To say that robertson wasn't explosive is absurd. The big difference is how to nba was played compared to how it's currently played.

If you only watched robertson in the half court then your confusion could be understood since the half court game is so strategically different from the 60s. Everyone looks worse in the half court in the 60s because of the vast rule differences to the modern game that handcuffed the offense where as the modern game it's the opposite.

[One_and_Done]

Are you saying oscar robertson is a figment of the imagination? Is this the mandela effect at work?

Oscar with the skillset you describe never existed. Also comparing Oscar to Westbrook on any level is absurd. I don't even like Westbrook, but his athleticism, speed and explosiveness in his prime were elite even for athletic modern NBA players. Oscar's highlight footage looks nothing like Westbrook in that regard.

That's funny since oscar robertson is the blueprint for the heliocentric big guard archetype of westbrook, doncic, ect...

To say that robertson wasn't explosive is absurd. The big difference is how to nba was played compared to how it's currently played.

If you only watched robertson in the half court then your confusion could be understood since the half court game is so strategically different from the 60s. Everyone looks worse in the half court in the 60s because of the vast rule differences to the modern game that handcuffed the offense where as the modern game it is the opposite.

You forgot to mention how he'd have modern shoes. With those he'd look like Westbrook on steroids right.

[chicago paxsons]

Oscar with the skillset you describe never existed. Also comparing Oscar to Westbrook on any level is absurd. I don't even like Westbrook, but his athleticism, speed and explosiveness in his prime were elite even for athletic modern NBA players. Oscar's highlight footage looks nothing like Westbrook in that regard.

That's funny since oscar robertson is the blueprint for the heliocentric big guard archetype of westbrook, doncic, ect...

To say that robertson wasn't explosive is absurd. The big difference is how to nba was played compared to how it's currently played.

If you only watched robertson in the half court then your confusion could be understood since the half court game is so strategically different from the 60s. Everyone looks worse in the half court in the 60s because of the vast rule differences to the modern game that handcuffed the offense where as the modern game it is the opposite.

You forgot to mention how he'd have modern shoes. With those he'd look like Westbrook on steroids right.

It might have some effect, but oscar robertson played in an era with less spacing, less half court strategies to emphasize player's offensive strengths, worse travel conditions, worse medical assistance and a greater expectation that players play incredibly high minutes and as many games as possible.

All that and oscar robertson was a more efficient scorer by today's standards as the no1 option on high volume than westbrook was at his best. Robertson wasn't the seive on defense that westbrook was despite westbrook's "prime athleticism". Robertson also got double digit assists consistently in an era where what was accepted as an assist was far more scrutized, meaning it was harder to get assists in robertson's era.

Robertson had the size, strength, speed and skill to match up with the best in every era. Watch enough of his games and you'll see it too.

[sam_I_am]

Since none of the guys in this poll are actually young enough to build around…..I’d go with Reed Sheppard. Steve Nash like on offense with John Stockton-like (maybe even better) ball hawking ability.

[Lalouie]

this is an atrocious list as it leaves off west, cousy, and oscar

btw,,,mt rushmore was hammered out in 1940's at least over a dozen years in the making, and if you haven't noticed no one has been added since it's completion. do you know why?,,,,BECAUSE IT'S MT RUSHMORE!!

and no one is changing the presidents' face on the $1, $5, or $10 either


it should be cousy,,,west,,,oscar,,,magic,,,mj

ant harden etal can be subway tokens though

Get off my lawn!!!

YOU MEAN THIS LAWN,,,it needs excavating!!. why there's ant,,,and harden,,,and sga,,,and curry,,,,,,,,
like i said, EXCAVATE!!

and get a gardner

[Cavsfansince84]

Oscar and Jerry not being choices is pretty crazy imo since I would vote for both of those two in today's nba. I'd actually vote for them ahead of Magic tbh.

[One_and_Done]

Oscar and Jerry not being choices is pretty crazy imo since I would vote for both of those two in today's nba. I'd actually vote for them ahead of Magic tbh.

There's no way they're better than these guys. That said, I personally would have put Harden in ahead of Kobe, I just recognised he wasn't going to get as many votes.

[Anderson Hunt]

Wade is so ridiculously underrated as a player ... and so insanely overrated as a man/human being.

[JN61]

What? What kind of garbage choices are these?

Jordan, Magic, Big O, West It was back then this and it is now this.

[JN61]

Oscar and Jerry not being choices is pretty crazy imo since I would vote for both of those two in today's nba. I'd actually vote for them ahead of Magic tbh.

There's no way they're better than these guys. That said, I personally would have put Harden in ahead of Kobe, I just recognised he wasn't going to get as many votes.

I take West over mental midget CP0 every day of the week.

[GameChannel]

SGA as a poll choice??

[LoveMyRaps]

Curry
Magic
MJ
Kobe

[B-Mitch 30]

I can't believe Jason Kidd isn't an option.

[Kobe187]

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3/4. Curry, Magic (not getting into this debate lol)

No Isiah “Zeke” Thomas on the list??

[Cavsfansince84]

Oscar and Jerry not being choices is pretty crazy imo since I would vote for both of those two in today's nba. I'd actually vote for them ahead of Magic tbh.

There's no way they're better than these guys. That said, I personally would have put Harden in ahead of Kobe, I just recognised he wasn't going to get as many votes.

You said to build around now which I take to mean they also have semi grown up and adapted to today's game. It just seems like you aren't even trying to open things up for debate so much as impose on people your own version of truth when you say stuff like that.

[Duffman100]

MJ, Magic, Kobe, Curry... next on the list is Wade to me.