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[Jody Smokz]

No he doesn't. Booker is a much better player than Lavine is. I'm also fairly certain outside of Bulls fans most don't even watch Lavine. If he isn't going to look like he did 3 seasons ago then the price point he's at is too much and he's not going to be able to be as productive as the 3a/b option on the Lakers behind Bron/AD and the team prioritizing Reaves as a ball handler as well.

Maybe from 3 seasons ago...have you watched Lavine recently?

I'm going to keep beating the drum that the Lakers need Zach LaVine.

All he needs is a point guard, same as Booker.

You put Chris Paul on Chicago this year, LaVine will look like Booker.

[LakersSoul]

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[danfantastk32]

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Your missing the whole point here. The point isn't that AD sucks or something. It's the opposite. He's the only person on this squad that you can get a large haul in return for. But for how long?

It really comes down to whether or not you think this team has another championship in it. Maybe you do. I totally don't. And if it doesn't...then sitting around for 2-3 more years with Lebron and AD only does 1 thing.....it's more tread off the tires of AD. You can get a MASSVE haul of picks and talent for AD right now. But even if he avoids major injury....what are you gonna get in 2-3 years? He's in his 30's now...so be really honest about a 6-10 260 pound PF/Center with a pretty intense injury history. What are the chances of him making in another 2-3 years without further injuries....and in what state will he be? Pretend your a team who's currently in, or entering that championship window. You want a guy like AD, who's looking pretty good at 31....maybe you can get lucky, and squeeze 4-5 years out of him. But AD at 33 - 34?? You gotta start thinking 1 maybe 2-years. That's a different story. There's no "run" there. That's a different value altogether. And will a team want to give up picks for 1 year? So see how this is about the timing?

So in reality, I wanna move him because I understand he really good! But it's not enough on this team. We're wasting our time. We aren't good enough now....and his co-star is declining. If AD was 27-28....I could see keeping him, and maybe getting a younger star to try this again. I don't like that idea because of his injury history, but I'll admit that's a route you could at least entertain. But at 31, with Lebron signed for 2 more years, your just gonna lose that window where you can get great value for AD. And for what purpose??....this team isn't a contender, and it's not well constructed, with 2 massive contracts that make it impossible for any real, meaningful changes.We just saw that this offseason.

[LakersSoul]

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Your missing the whole point here. The point isn't that AD sucks or something. It's the opposite. He's the only person on this squad that you can get a large haul in return for. But for how long?

It really comes down to whether or not you think this team has another championship in it. Maybe you do. I totally don't. And if it doesn't...then sitting around for 2-3 more years with Lebron and AD only does 1 thing.....it's more tread off the tires of AD. You can get a MASSVE haul of picks and talent for AD right now. But even if he avoids major injury....what are you gonna get in 2-3 years? He's in his 30's now...so be really honest about a 6-10 260 pound PF/Center with a pretty intense injury history. What are the chances of him making in another 2-3 years without further injuries....and in what state will he be? Pretend your a team who's currently in, or entering that championship window. You want a guy like AD, who's looking pretty good at 31....maybe you can get lucky, and squeeze 4-5 years out of him. But AD at 33 - 34?? You gotta start thinking 1 maybe 2-years. That's a different story. There's no "run" there. That's a different value altogether. And will a team want to give up picks for 1 year? So see how this is about the timing?

So in reality, I wanna move him because I understand he really good! But it's not enough on this team. We're wasting our time. We aren't good enough now....and his co-star is declining. If AD was 27-28....I could see keeping him, and maybe getting a younger star to try this again. I don't like that idea because of his injury history, but I'll admit that's a route you could at least entertain. But at 31, with Lebron signed for 2 more years, your just gonna lose that window where you can get great value for AD. And for what purpose??....this team isn't a contender, and it's not well constructed, with 2 massive contracts that make it impossible for any real, meaningful changes.We just saw that this offseason.

Are you nutz?

You don’t trade AD, period! WTF!

[danfantastk32]

Are you nutz?

You don’t trade AD, period! WTF!

Well I'm not a huge fan of dogma. You most certainly do trade AD...if the time/opportunity is right. And we're there now. He's worth is weight in gold....and this team ain't makin' noise.

[LakersSoul]

Are you nutz?

You don’t trade AD, period! WTF!

Well I'm not a huge fan of dogma. You most certainly do trade AD...if the time/opportunity is right. And we're there now. He's worth is weight in gold....and this team ain't makin' noise.

What can we get that’s equal value?

Isn’t it better to use him as our top star and surround him by adding players and stars?

Didn’t we already go thru rebuilding? Which sucked azz.

[danfantastk32]

What can we get that’s equal value?

Isn’t it better to use him as our top star and surround him by adding players and stars?

Didn’t we already go thru rebuilding? Which sucked azz.

I'll answer backwards....yes we did go through our rebuild. But that was almost decade ago. We knew we were gonna have a shorter window grabbing Lebron, who was in his mid-30's. I would say that Lebron outlasted most peoples expectations. This will be his 7th season with us (or is it 8th...think its 7th) and he's still a great player. But he and AD are not enough. So you gotta do SOMETHING. Sitting pat, is really just quitting...and will result in 8th-9th place playoff spots. And for how long? Till Lebron retires...then what? By then AD is now 33-34...with his injury history. Don't you think it will be hard to get another star then?

As for adding players and stars.....who? We're like $45,000 shy of 2nd apron. Even with Lebron waiting on his contract, so we could try to land someone....there weren't any takers. PG didn't even consider us. Klay took less to go elsewhere....there's a reality here that everyone needs to accept. Even with Lebron waiting...we still only had the MLE. When they gave Lebron that extension...that was them literally saying "welp....we got nothing this year...Lebron, go ahead and take your $$...we'll try next year". It will be better a year from now with DLo off the books....but once you get rid of DLo...and lets say you got a really good player with that money.....its almost 2 years before that future team hits the playoffs. And once Lebron leaves....AD's best years are behind. What stars are gonna wanna hitch their wagon to him? He's injury prone.

I dunno man....if they had somehow got a legit star, or 2 really good (REALLY good) pieces that really covered our needs...yeah, I would consider us a contender. But we didn't get ANYTHING....and our two stars are aging. This team either needed to make that move...or they need to accept that the window is prob closed, and start getting any and all assets it can, so the next rebuild will be far, far smoother than the last. Don't make a 33-34 year old the center piece of your new team next time. It did get a title. There were a couple good seasons. Had AD not got hurt....I think an argument can be made we get 2 titles. So not knocking it.....just acknowledging that it's time in the sun is over.

As for equal value....it all depends on how you look at it. Draft picks are question marks...but they can also be trade chips themselves. How this FO navigates the rebuild, some luck....good scouting. It's all part of it. But there are prob 4-5 teams in the league who are contenders that would instantly jump to favorites if they got AD. I read a article proposing OKC make a move for AD. OKC still has many picks...and they have alot of young talent. But if they got AD.....they could very well win 2-3 titles right now. His proposal was 2 younger players, and I think 4 first-round picks, and 2 second rounders. Something in that vein. Look at what the Knicks gave for they guy they got...and he's no AD. What would Miami give? The Mavs....Grizz...alot of people have the Rockets as a young team starting to gel....would they go big, and grab AD? Orlando was 5th in the east....what would they offer? If we got a young promising player, and 3-4 first round picks to get this rebuild into high gear (and don't forget the cap space) I think that's great value. Especially when you consider that AD in that window here.....where you hold onto him much longer, and your prob gonna lose most of that value. He could bring a title or two to the right team. But after a couple, maybe 3 more years....he's not gonna be that AD anymore.

[Godfather13]

Are you nutz?

You don’t trade AD, period! WTF!

lmao... Your need to remind people that is not unappreciated.

[Landsberger]

Are you nutz?

You don’t trade AD, period! WTF!

Well I'm not a huge fan of dogma. You most certainly do trade AD...if the time/opportunity is right. And we're there now. He's worth is weight in gold....and this team ain't makin' noise.

What can we get that’s equal value?

Isn’t it better to use him as our top star and surround him by adding players and stars?

Didn’t we already go thru rebuilding? Which sucked azz.

Equal value to what? This team, as constructed, will not challenge for a chip until after Bron takes his talents to where ever the F he goes next. Davis isn't anyone to build around after 2 more years. He gets put in the conversation as one of the best players in the NBA but that's only because he's in LA. He's a very good player but he's injury prone and I don't see his game aging well.

Value for Davis at this point is getting multiple picks. FA isn't what it was even 5 years ago. The best players aren't moving until they are past their prime. LA has a long history of NOT being the destination for FA's. Even if a FA to be wants to come here it's typically by sign and trade. We got nothing to trade. Think of how we got Davis for example.

I'd much rather rebuild from scratch than be a ±.500 team with no picks and capped out. If not for the little bubble game the entire LeBron term is a failure. Maybe rebuilding sucked azz for you but watching this team hurts just about as much.

We need to start over at the very top of the organization.

[SlimShady83]

On the topic of AD ... I would test him out Post Bron ... test him out for a year and see how he goes with out Bron ... Is he getting Injuries again (been good last year), Is he even wanting to play Ball etc test him out post Bron then see what happens - If It doesn't work out with out Bron then look at trades and what not.

[LakersSoul]

Still don’t understand how an iconic team and their fan base even thinks about trading their future and best player.

It’s just wrong.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

[danfantastk32]

Still don’t understand how an iconic team and their fan base even thinks about trading their future and best player.

It’s just wrong.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

A) At 40, Lebron is the best player. AD has his games...but he's not 100% reliable, and can't spread the floor. He's a great player. But he's not a #1. Never was, never will be.

B) Because he's not "the future".....he simply isn't. He's 31. For a big....you typically got about 2 more top/high level years, and then the fall comes...and it typically comes hard. With his injury history...you could easily bump that up. AD is not the future...there's no more growth, there's no more improvement. He's the now. He's been on top of his game for about 5-6 years, and your gonna start seeing the decline here really soon. I don't understand how you can't see that.

He an Lebron are locked into contracts that are too much to allow for much improvements, and by the time Lebron's contract ends.....AD will be out of his prime, and his value will be in plummet mode. If this team had a shot at something, I could at least reconcile your wanting to hold on to him.....but by the time we are able to move on from Lebron, and "start over with AD" it will be too late.

If you want great value for a player....your gonna have to move him while there's still some meat on the bone. It sucks, but it's the way it is. A smart FO/fanbase is realistic, and sees that this team is doing nothing but floating around. The window has closed.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

Again man.....after Lebron...it's over. He'll be 33 - 34...coming down the hill. Might be well on his way by then. That's just the reality. You gotta know that. Even if you wanted to......what younger star is gonna want to hitch his wagon to a guy on the downhill? The window for this team has closed....and a new window has opened. It's time fans and (much more importantly) the FO start to GET IT, and act accordingly. Your talking about trying to grow vegetables in late Aug.....the growing season is over. Start getting the fields prepped for the next spring.

[LakersSoul]

Still don’t understand how an iconic team and their fan base even thinks about trading their future and best player.

It’s just wrong.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

A) At 40, Lebron is the best player. AD has his games...but he's not 100% reliable, and can't spread the floor. He's a great player. But he's not a #1. Never was, never will be.

B) Because he's not "the future".....he simply isn't. He's 31. For a big....you typically got about 2 more top/high level years, and then the fall comes...and it typically comes hard. With his injury history...you could easily bump that up. AD is not the future...there's no more growth, there's no more improvement. He's the now. He's been on top of his game for about 5-6 years, and your gonna start seeing the decline here really soon. I don't understand how you can't see that.

He an Lebron are locked into contracts that are too much to allow for much improvements, and by the time Lebron's contract ends.....AD will be out of his prime, and his value will be in plummet mode. If this team had a shot at something, I could at least reconcile your wanting to hold on to him.....but by the time we are able to move on from Lebron, and "start over with AD" it will be too late.

If you want great value for a player....your gonna have to move him while there's still some meat on the bone. It sucks, but it's the way it is. A smart FO/fanbase is realistic, and sees that this team is doing nothing but floating around. The window has closed.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

Again man.....after Lebron...it's over. He'll be 33 - 34...coming down the hill. Might be well on his way by then. That's just the reality. You gotta know that. Even if you wanted to......what younger star is gonna want to hitch his wagon to a guy on the downhill? The window for this team has closed....and a new window has opened. It's time fans and (much more importantly) the FO start to GET IT, and act accordingly. Your talking about trying to grow vegetables in late Aug.....the growing season is over. Start getting the fields prepped for the next spring.

Good thing you don’t have a say.

We can agree to disagree.

[Godfather13]

Still don’t understand how an iconic team and their fan base even thinks about trading their future and best player.

It’s just wrong.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

They're either zombies that don't watch basketball OR just Kobe fans, that still can't give up their hate for Lebron cos of the ancient rivalry, that honestly never became anything. They'll do anything to watch him fail even at the cost of the Lakers.

These are not real Laker fans. Just petty nostalgia fans, who refuse to grow up mentally. Kobe would be embarrassed rn if he were around.

[SlimShady83]

Still don’t understand how an iconic team and their fan base even thinks about trading their future and best player.

It’s just wrong.

You have to consider how to best support him with another top star after LeBron and build a team of supporting cast that works in the apron-era.

They're either zombies that don't watch basketball OR just Kobe fans, that still can't give up their hate for Lebron cos of the ancient rivalry, that honestly never became anything. They'll do anything to watch him fail even at the cost of the Lakers.

These are not real Laker fans. Just petty nostalgia fans, who refuse to grow up mentally. Kobe would be embarrassed rn if he were around.

[Godfather13]

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[stan francisco]

Eloquent

Let’s see. You come here a Celtics fan. You dump verbal diarrhea on our kitchen table, daily. Then you opine on how we comment on this, your verbal diarrhea, by belittling the commentary? Sounds like a jealous teen Celtics troll.

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[SlimShady83]

Eloquent

Let’s see. You come here a Celtics fan. You dump verbal diarrhea on our kitchen table, daily. Then you opine on how we comment on this, your verbal diarrhea, by belittling the commentary? Sounds like a jealous teen Celtics troll.

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[Godfather13]

Eloquent

Let’s see. You come here a Celtics fan. You dump verbal diarrhea on our kitchen table, daily. Then you opine on how we comment on this, your verbal diarrhea, by belittling the commentary? Sounds like a jealous teen Celtics troll.

See sig.

A Celtic troll?? lol

I would ask you for your reasoning, but I know you're not good at that, so I'll ignore the comment instead.

Have fun hate watching the team you like to call your own. Don't envy that life.

[LakersSoul]

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Looks like Portland is going to rebuild and trade Grant (27+ m) and/or Anfernee (24+ m).

Originally thought Lakers should try for Grant but now so so at best. Grant is truly an upgrade wing over Rui/Vando but that contract is fugly AF.

To match the trade, we would most likely have to throw in our depth and 2 of Rui/Dlo/Gabe. On top of that, Portland is seeking 2 FRPs, LOL!

Every year that passes, that contract is gonna be uglier and uglier eventually growing to over 37m per and a final PO in the end as a nice prize for someone.

Not so excited to absorb that monstrosity and throw in picks and depth.


Edit: prefer to wait and see how our team responds to JJ and continuity with our roster until trade deadline. Then Dlo will be an expiring which we can move easier if the demand is less. At most, Grant should be one FRP or might turn into a neutral value contract going forward as he ages.