An early summer 2024 thread

[TrueLAfan]

FTR--Westbrook is owed $4.03M. If waived and signed as a UFA, the NBA minimum for a 10+ year player is $3.2M, which the new team would pay and the Clips only on the hook for the remainder.

I suppose it's possible the Nugs are playing games over a small amount of money, but it doesn't seem smart to me. If you really want him and he wants you, make the deal and lock it down.

I think the problem is that Nugs have nothing--they're a really good team if everyone is healthy. But they lack depth and are as bad off -- worse actually -- as us with draft picks. They had to let KCP walk because they didn't want the problem we would have had with PG and the second apron. Even so, their payroll is higher than ours now. They're locked into first apron restrictions like we are; we both need a third team to make trades work.

[esqtvd]

The one thing we always hope for in just about any younger player is to improve their 3-ball, but it's incredibly difficult to shoot the 3-ball against NBA defenses even with a quick stroke (which Coffey does not have.) He was a 33% 3PG shooter in college, so to average 37% in the NBA is an achievement as well. He never had the fundamentals to be a sharpshooter, but has become a decent 3PT shooter.

I was also hoping for further improvements to his game after he got his contract but just like physical attributes, mental attributes get maxed out somewhere as well.

FTR, Coffey did shoot more after the ASB, but it's hard to maintain your efficiency while increasing your production. No doubt the added minutes were a factor as well, but Amir is still more proof it's very difficult to ramp it up.

Per 100:

PRE ASB: 5.8 FGM 10.3 FGA 56.2% 2.3 3PTM 5.1 3ptA 45.0%
POST ASB: 5.0 FGM 12.6 FGA 39.5% 2.3 3PtM 6.9 3ptA 32.7%


If you were wondering about Mann, he shot a little more, though after a terrible start cut back on his 3-pointers [and made more!].

PRE ASB: 5.6 FGM 12.1 FGA 46.0% 1.7 3ptM 5.5 3ptA 30.1%
POST ASB: 8.5 FGM 14.4 FGA 59.4 2.2 3PtM 5.1 3ptA 43.7%

But all within plus or minus 10% or so of Mann's career averages. You is what you is.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629611?SeasonType=Regular+Season&PerMode=Per100Possessions

[esqtvd]

Maybe Miller can find a role for himself, but like you said, there is a LOT of competition, maybe if he was like 6'9 life would be easier for him haha

And we forgot about this guy too.

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[esqtvd]

Apparently the bet-the-future multi-year multi-FRP/pick swap deal is NOT dead.

The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5638084/2024/07/15/lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-trade-contract-latest-nba-notes

[MartinToVaught]

The Warriors weren't offering even half that much for PG. Not sure how the people who think he's still an asset with trade value can explain this without admitting they were wrong.

[KL2]

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[madmaxmedia]

The Warriors weren't offering even half that much for PG. Not sure how the people who think he's still an asset with trade value can explain this without admitting they were wrong.

No one thought we were getting some huge haul, but come on- half of that would still be a significant package. The problem for us was going into the second apron in any trade, which significantly reduces the net value of such a trade for us.

A Kuminga package would have made the second apron worthwile. But according to the report, GSW does not want to part with Kuminga- even in a trade for Markannen.

[esqtvd]

The Warriors weren't offering even half that much for PG. Not sure how the people who think he's still an asset with trade value can explain this without admitting they were wrong.

No one thought we were getting some huge haul, but come on- half of that would still be a significant package. The problem for us was going into the second apron in any trade, which significantly reduces the net value of such a trade for us.

A Kuminga package would have made the second apron worthwhile. But according to the report, GSW does not want to part with Kuminga- even in a trade for Markannen.

Yes, by opening "apron room" [the space between the two aprons] in dumping PG but retaining Kawhi and Beard, we are re-tooling, not rebuilding.

The difference between 45 wins and 25. If you can't get to 55 wins, with all our FRPs traded or pick-swapped, you take what you can.

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[TrueLAfan]

The Warriors weren't offering even half that much for PG. Not sure how the people who think he's still an asset with trade value can explain this without admitting they were wrong.

No one thought we were getting some huge haul, but come on- half of that would still be a significant package. The problem for us was going into the second apron in any trade, which significantly reduces the net value of such a trade for us.

A Kuminga package would have made the second apron worthwile. But according to the report, GSW does not want to part with Kuminga- even in a trade for Markannen.

Right. And the salary situations are completely different. The reason keeping PG would have put us (well) into the second apron was because he opted out and was a UFA. Even if he had exercised his player option, he was a $45 million plus player. Compare that to Markkanen, who is signed for $18 million this year. GSW doesn’t have to offer anything like the same amount of salaries and can keep their cap lower. They're forced to focus more on picks rather than players.

[esqtvd]

no idea what this means but if anybody does...?

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[MartinToVaught]

That sounds like the polar opposite of Lue's "coaching" style.

[jengmann3]

The Zach Lavine rumors are interesting. Once again another guy dealing with Injuries. Also has 3 years presumably left on the contract but it's closer to 137 million rather than the 150 for PG. Also is 4 years younger than PG. No offense to Harden but I would've liked him more if Harden wasn't signed. If they would've got cp3 and Lavine alongside all the other pieces, id love the team but that's just me.
https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/new-report-on-zach-lavine-to-la-clippers-trade-01j2z7c26b2j

[Roscoe Sheed]

The Zach Lavine rumors are interesting. Once again another guy dealing with Injuries. Also has 3 years presumably left on the contract but it's closer to 137 million rather than the 150 for PG. Also is 4 years younger than PG. No offense to Harden but I would've liked him more if Harden wasn't signed. If they would've got cp3 and Lavine alongside all the other pieces, id love the team but that's just me.
https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/new-report-on-zach-lavine-to-la-clippers-trade-01j2z7c26b2j

If they could somehow get the Bulls to include a first round pick to take Lavine off their hands, I would certainly be in favor of the trade as long as Zubac isn't involved

[KingCrimzzon]

Looks like the Kris Dunn deal is going to happen via sign and trade for Russ. He agrees to a 3/17M deal...
https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/clippers-trade-russell-westbrook-west-squad-sign-trade-1927202

Maybe this is beginning of more deals? PG seems crowded and Im not sure how this deal works against the CBA (seems not great). Perhaps Ty Lue is pushing his chips forward to go super small ball.

[KL2]

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[wakelaunch1]

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Clippers are such a terrible run franchise. Always giving up draft picks because they dont know how to budget. We had to give up a second round pick to just get Westbrook off the books. We sign Westbrook only to give up on him to get Harden all because of PG. PG destroyed this franchise and this GM is a clown. We got sucked into taking PJs untradeable contract to get Harden. We need a change.

Name the last player we developed and sent out for draft picks. Terrance Mann is only player any team showed interest in.

[KL2]

The pick swap doesn’t bother me. A few other trades to get done to dump a contact included 2 picks. I feel like we lucked out here. No idea how much cash was involved but not my concern either.

The one I’ve been worried about all along is Tucker.

[esqtvd]

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Clippers are such a terrible run franchise. Always giving up draft picks because they dont know how to budget. We had to give up a second round pick to just get Westbrook off the books. We sign Westbrook only to give up on him to get Harden all because of PG. PG destroyed this franchise and this GM is a clown. We got sucked into taking PJs untradeable contract to get Harden. We need a change.

Name the last player we developed and sent out for draft picks. Terrance Mann is only player any team showed interest in.

Almost the right question, which is name anyone the Clippers drafted besides Mann who turned out to be worth a damn here, there, or anywhere.

True, the picks have been almost all 25 or higher since Blake but jeez, not a whiff of an actual NBA player.

[nickhx2]

yay it's almost all over