Cleveland - Isaac Okoro

[toooskies]

I think this will take up until training camp. If I am CLE I convince Okoro to truly think honestly and see what offers he would get on the market. It will likely be what DFS is making now. The question is, would BK ruin their plans for Okoro alone to be on the books for another season or two? I do not know the answer to that. Maybe they can make the 3rd season a team option and if CLE can bring a pick their way they bite the bullet on ruining their salary cap situation post this season??

Trading for DFS puts the Cavs into the tax right now. As far as the Nets plans, those got ruined when Mitchell agreed to extend. If Lauri renegotiates and extends (which will happen before camp), then the Nets are looking at Ingram or throwing a max offer at Jaylen Green and hoping the Rockets don't match.

The Nets either want Okoro, or not. Either way the Cavs aren't attaching a first.

The Cavs are in the tax if Okoro just accepts his QO.

[jbk1234]

I think this will take up until training camp. If I am CLE I convince Okoro to truly think honestly and see what offers he would get on the market. It will likely be what DFS is making now. The question is, would BK ruin their plans for Okoro alone to be on the books for another season or two? I do not know the answer to that. Maybe they can make the 3rd season a team option and if CLE can bring a pick their way they bite the bullet on ruining their salary cap situation post this season??

Trading for DFS puts the Cavs into the tax right now. As far as the Nets plans, those got ruined when Mitchell agreed to extend. If Lauri renegotiates and extends (which will happen before camp), then the Nets are looking at Ingram or throwing a max offer at Jaylen Green and hoping the Rockets don't match.

The Nets either want Okoro, or not. Either way the Cavs aren't attaching a first.

The Cavs are in the tax if Okoro just accepts his QO.

Barely, and that's easy to address.

[toooskies]

Trading for DFS puts the Cavs into the tax right now. As far as the Nets plans, those got ruined when Mitchell agreed to extend. If Lauri renegotiates and extends (which will happen before camp), then the Nets are looking at Ingram or throwing a max offer at Jaylen Green and hoping the Rockets don't match.

The Nets either want Okoro, or not. Either way the Cavs aren't attaching a first.

The Cavs are in the tax if Okoro just accepts his QO.

Barely, and that's easy to address.

It's probably the same move as with DFS-- offloading Niang.

[JKiddy]

I do not know if the Nets view Okoro much more than DFS or as the same level of talent but just younger. CLE obviously needs to improve to contend. DFS is better now. He fits in much better with CLE or other playoff teams with his experience and superior defense.

I do not see this playing out that quickly. Okoro seems to have misplayed his hand and CLE knows this. He is going to have to take less now and then play for a bigger contract later on.

[jbk1234]

I do not know if the Nets view Okoro much more than DFS or as the same level of talent but just younger. CLE obviously needs to improve to contend. DFS is better now. He fits in much better with CLE or other playoff teams with his experience and superior defense.

I do not see this playing out that quickly. Okoro seems to have misplayed his hand and CLE knows this. He is going to have to take less now and then play for a bigger contract later on.

If the Cavs make this trade, it will be with the hope that DFS has a bounce back year because he certainly hasn't been better than Okoro over the last two seasons. Look, DFS is essentially expiring as he doesn't appear happy in Brooklyn and he has a P.O. next year. If the Nets have a better offer for DFS, then they should take it, but he's been on block for more than a year now, and he's still on the roster.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs are in the tax if Okoro just accepts his QO.

Barely, and that's easy to address.

It's probably the same move as with DFS-- offloading Niang.

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

[JKiddy]

DFS has not been on the block. They Nets need vets to work with them as they rebuild. They will not hand the franchise to rookies and 22 year olds. They will keep either Cam or DFS it seems. DFS has just been in the rumor mill because of his increased value to playoff franchises with elite scorers like Luka, D Mitch, etc. He is the perfect compliment who does not need the ball and hits 3s at a very high rate while playing elite defense and doing the small things most players will not do without any issue.

He makes sense here. But, I have no clue what Okoro is trying to do. That is the issue it seems. CLE management is figuring it out it seems and we all have to just wait and see.

[toooskies]

Barely, and that's easy to address.

It's probably the same move as with DFS-- offloading Niang.

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

Those moves don't keep the Cavs out of the tax. Okoro signing the QO puts the Cavs in the tax with a roster of 13. (You might be able to sneak under the line by offloading Jerome and signing rookie minimums, but are you really going into next year expecting Wade or DJ Burns as your third string C?

[bgrep14]

It's probably the same move as with DFS-- offloading Niang.

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

Those moves don't keep the Cavs out of the tax. Okoro signing the QO puts the Cavs in the tax with a roster of 13. (You might be able to sneak under the line by offloading Jerome and signing rookie minimums, but are you really going into next year expecting Wade or DJ Burns as your third string C?

3rd string C doesn’t matter much. Although I did suggest Okoro, Niang, and Jerome for Vucevic for big man depth, roster balance, and tax savings since it’ll save about 2-3 million and get us near or under the luxury tax. Although I think Jerome will get cut or traded when they figure out what Okoro is doing regardless which should get them under. If they have to go further under they can probably trade Merrill for 2 seconds.

[jbk1234]

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

Those moves don't keep the Cavs out of the tax. Okoro signing the QO puts the Cavs in the tax with a roster of 13. (You might be able to sneak under the line by offloading Jerome and signing rookie minimums, but are you really going into next year expecting Wade or DJ Burns as your third string C?

3rd string C doesn’t matter much. Although I did suggest Okoro, Niang, and Jerome for Vucevic for big man depth, roster balance, and tax savings since it’ll save about 2-3 million and get us near or under the luxury tax. Although I think Jerome will get cut or traded when they figure out what Okoro is doing regardless which should get them under. If they have to go further under they can probably trade Merrill for 2 seconds.

Once you add back in the league minimum contracts for the two roster spots you have to fill, you're actually deeper into the tax.

[toooskies]

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

Those moves don't keep the Cavs out of the tax. Okoro signing the QO puts the Cavs in the tax with a roster of 13. (You might be able to sneak under the line by offloading Jerome and signing rookie minimums, but are you really going into next year expecting Wade or DJ Burns as your third string C?

3rd string C doesn’t matter much. Although I did suggest Okoro, Niang, and Jerome for Vucevic for big man depth, roster balance, and tax savings since it’ll save about 2-3 million and get us near or under the luxury tax. Although I think Jerome will get cut or traded when they figure out what Okoro is doing regardless which should get them under. If they have to go further under they can probably trade Merrill for 2 seconds.

Third string C matters more when your 2nd string is your starting PF, you will likely have to play him in the playoffs whether you want to or not.

[mcfly1204]

I'm all for moving Niang, but if Okoro plays on the Q.O., the Cavs can go forward with 14 roster spots and a youth movement instead of handing out vet maxes to guys like TT, Damien, and Morris.

Those moves don't keep the Cavs out of the tax. Okoro signing the QO puts the Cavs in the tax with a roster of 13. (You might be able to sneak under the line by offloading Jerome and signing rookie minimums, but are you really going into next year expecting Wade or DJ Burns as your third string C?

3rd string C doesn’t matter much. Although I did suggest Okoro, Niang, and Jerome for Vucevic for big man depth, roster balance, and tax savings since it’ll save about 2-3 million and get us near or under the luxury tax. Although I think Jerome will get cut or traded when they figure out what Okoro is doing regardless which should get them under. If they have to go further under they can probably trade Merrill for 2 seconds.

I honestly like the fit of Vucevic off the bench. That said, I'm not giving up value for him, and it'd be challenging to match money with that in mind. It almost feels like it would need to be a 3 team deal, so you'd be looking at Chicago to kick in value, or Cleveland to be making another deal for someone more impactful than Vuc. Allen for a wing, something along those lines.