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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1701 » by spree2kawhi » Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:02 am

spree8 wrote:The head of the SS said the building the shooter was on was left out of the pac-man shaped security bubble because it wasn’t part of the SS responsibility. Reason is because the building was the tactical operations center for the local police. Of all the buildings to pick, he chooses the one not guarded by SS. That’s amazing. Congressman Comer who’s chairman of the house oversight committee said the SS absolutely should’ve been covering that building.


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I’ve also read some say that the SS snipers can only engage when a potential threat acts first or even have to wait for command, which isn’t true. So if they were looking right in his direction, wtf took so long?
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1703 » by NYKat » Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:54 am

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Seriously? You’re either gaslighting or stupid, either way that makes up most of MAGA… I swear the Trump cult will be studied in history books like Hitler

It's racist to question where someone was born? Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii with an African father. I believe Kendrick said it recently... They not like us. You can certainly argue it was silly, but I'm not with the idea that any criticism or questioning of a black person is racism.


Of course it is racist. Obama is an American citizen who was born in Hawaii. That you'd even bring this up as if it is even a question is utterly disingenuous.

Don't even try to detach the birther nonsense from racism pal. It was always designed to stir up false animosity against Obama for being born to an African father. Anyone who is still bringing this up is beyond ignorant.


The fact that this is in question as racism is disingenuous at best.

It’s not racist to question where someone was born but when Obama had produced his birth certificate years prior, and Trump was still questioning it, (pushing the long debunked theory and tapping into racist sentiment) by demanding the long form of his birth certificate is undeniable racism .

But this is a bigger part of what right wingers do, when they gaslight and distort issues, and oversimplify the extent of it, like he was innocently “questioning where someone was born”

Just like the Jan.6th argument they downplay the insurrection as simply “questioning an election result” No! what Trump did was way more than simply questioning an election. It’s a bad faith misdirection and misinformation of all issues. They're either ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting arguments and it’s disgusting.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1704 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:08 am

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Neutral 123 wrote:It's racist to question where someone was born? Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii with an African father. I believe Kendrick said it recently... They not like us. You can certainly argue it was silly, but I'm not with the idea that any criticism or questioning of a black person is racism.


Of course it is racist. Obama is an American citizen who was born in Hawaii. That you'd even bring this up as if it is even a question is utterly disingenuous.

Don't even try to detach the birther nonsense from racism pal. It was always designed to stir up false animosity against Obama for being born to an African father. Anyone who is still bringing this up is beyond ignorant.


The fact that this is in question as racism is disingenuous at best.

It’s not racist to question where someone was born but when Obama had produced his birth certificate years prior, and Trump was still questioning it, (pushing the long debunked theory and tapping into racist sentiment) by demanding the long form of his birth certificate is undeniable racism .

But this is a bigger part of what right wingers do, when they gaslight and issues, by downplaying the extent of it, like he was innocently “questioning where someone was born”

Just like the Jan.6th argument they reduce it to “questioning an election” No! what Trump did was way more than simply questioning an election. It’s a bad faith misdirection and misinformation of all issues. Theyre either ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting arguments and it’s disgusting.


They are brainwashed. Talking points that fit their "algorithm" are repeated over an over in cadence across their selected media preferences. Backed by nothing of substance.

The opposition doesn't do enough to debunk these things either. Like Biden asked, why aren't you guys (the media) talking about the 28 lies Trump told during the debate? It's all about me. I messed up but, where are you guys on that? He's 100% right.

Watching the Daily show from last night. Stewart has O'Reilly on. O'Reilly pulled out a list of things like inflation, food prices, gas prices etc. John asked " but what did Biden due to cause that?" O'Reilly replies, "I don't know". John got up and walked away laughing.

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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1705 » by Luv those Knicks » Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:24 am

St Knick wrote:Most of those voting for Trump, including myself, are fueled by...

- Anger over ridiculous rates of inflation since BIden entered office, and being gaslit that it was "transient"
- Lies about "2 weeks to stop the spread", then living through COVID BS for 2+ years.
- Hearing Biden say the greatest threat to America is white supremacy. Give me a fooking break.
- Being forced to take an experimental shot or lose your job (happened to my mother in law). I know many who suffered ill affects of the shot, including a healthy 39 year old father of 2 who died.
- Having Trans ideology shoved down our throats from all angles.
- Hiring based on race. I had to hire an intern this year at work. I was led, without so many ords, to look at women/minority candidates by my HR team, overlooking merit.
- 8 years of comparing Trump to Hitler with little to no real evidence he is that.

It is not fueled by "hate", certainly not from myself.


I don't expect to change your mind, but

Inflation was largely the corporations trying to increase profits. Corporations that support Trump, and I don't want to say that it was whole an effort to boost Trump, but it's a fact that corporations were eager to raise prices after covid. That would have happened anyway, but . . . corporations are also happy to help Trump because he's more likely to cut corporate taxes and far less likely to raise minimum wage. So, blaming Biden for that, when a lot of it was COVID restrictions ending, and not recognizing that the party you support is pro corporation, is a questionable stance.

Inflation is going down now, by the way. That's the free market kicking in. Corporations raised prices as much as they could, then adjusted back down for the market.

Covid started under Trump. Also, when covid started, hospitals were overrun. Our system couldn't handle it. Restrictions actually were necessary, at least for a while. Maybe not 2 years. Certainly, more than 2 weeks. Who promised 2 weeks by the way? I don't remember that.

White supremacy played a role on the attack on the capital. I don't think Biden's claim was as far off as you think.

Do you think liberalism is the greatest threat to America? Just curious.

The covid vaccination wasn't dangerous and people in some positions were required to take it or lose their job. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it's not that unreasonable.

Biden barely talks about Trans rights a whole lot. He actually spoke against surgeries. Trans is in the culture. That's not on Biden.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/lgbtq-orgs-blast-joe-biden-s-cowardly-statement-opposing-surgeries-for-trans-youth/ar-BB1plOco?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Race guidelines for hiring precede Biden by about 50 years.

Biden never compared Trump to Hitler. I know people who have. Trump's vice president pick has. I'm pretty sure Biden hasn't.

. . .

I know none of this will change your mind, but a lot of your points aren't good points. Maybe we can agree on that much.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1706 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:32 am

Luv those Knicks wrote:
St Knick wrote:Most of those voting for Trump, including myself, are fueled by...

- Anger over ridiculous rates of inflation since BIden entered office, and being gaslit that it was "transient"
- Lies about "2 weeks to stop the spread", then living through COVID BS for 2+ years.
- Hearing Biden say the greatest threat to America is white supremacy. Give me a fooking break.
- Being forced to take an experimental shot or lose your job (happened to my mother in law). I know many who suffered ill affects of the shot, including a healthy 39 year old father of 2 who died.
- Having Trans ideology shoved down our throats from all angles.
- Hiring based on race. I had to hire an intern this year at work. I was led, without so many ords, to look at women/minority candidates by my HR team, overlooking merit.
- 8 years of comparing Trump to Hitler with little to no real evidence he is that.

It is not fueled by "hate", certainly not from myself.


I don't expect to change your mind, but

Inflation was largely the corporations trying to increase profits. Corporations that support Trump, and I don't want to say that it was whole an effort to boost Trump, but it's a fact that corporations were eager to raise prices after covid. That would have happened anyway, but . . . corporations are also happy to help Trump because he's more likely to cut corporate taxes and far less likely to raise minimum wage. So, blaming Biden for that, when a lot of it was COVID restrictions ending, and not recognizing that the party you support is pro corporation, is a questionable stance.

Inflation is going down now, by the way. That's the free market kicking in. Corporations raised prices as much as they could, then adjusted back down for the market.

Covid started under Trump. Also, when covid started, hospitals were overrun. Our system couldn't handle it. Restrictions actually were necessary, at least for a while. Maybe not 2 years. Certainly, more than 2 weeks. Who promised 2 weeks by the way? I don't remember that.

White supremacy played a role on the attack on the capital. I don't think Biden's claim was as far off as you think.

Do you think liberalism is the greatest threat to America? Just curious.

The covid vaccination wasn't dangerous and people in some positions were required to take it or lose their job. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it's not that unreasonable.

Biden barely talks about Trans rights a whole lot. He actually spoke against surgeries. Trans is in the culture. That's not on Biden.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/lgbtq-orgs-blast-joe-biden-s-cowardly-statement-opposing-surgeries-for-trans-youth/ar-BB1plOco?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Race guidelines for hiring precede Biden by about 50 years.

Biden never compared Trump to Hitler. I know people who have. Trump's vice president pick has. I'm pretty sure Biden hasn't.

. . .

I know none of this will change your mind, but a lot of your points aren't good points. Maybe we can agree on that much.


It was TRUMP who predicted COVID would be gone in a few weeks. The original lock down was initially reported as if it would be about two weeks. Then it lasted forever. Again, Trump was in office for all of that.

This goes to the list that O'Reilly read on the Daily Show. None of it had anything to do with Biden.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1707 » by Luv those Knicks » Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:39 am

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The fact that this is in question as racism is disingenuous at best.

It’s not racist to question where someone was born but when Obama had produced his birth certificate years prior, and Trump was still questioning it, (pushing the long debunked theory and tapping into racist sentiment) by demanding the long form of his birth certificate is undeniable racism .

But this is a bigger part of what right wingers do, when they gaslight and distort issues, and oversimplify the extent of it, like he was innocently “questioning where someone was born”

Just like the Jan.6th argument they downplay the insurrection as simply “questioning an election result” No! what Trump did was way more than simply questioning an election. It’s a bad faith misdirection and misinformation of all issues. They're either ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting arguments and it’s disgusting.


The larger issue isn't whether or not Trump was racist. Obama was raised overseas, at least for some of it. John McCain was born overseas. Teddy Cruz was born overseas. None of those claims are valid - one, because Obama had a birth certificate and a birth announcement in Hawaii, and ALL 3, all of them, had an American parent. That's legal. It's absolute. It's rock **** solid for all 3.

So why was Obama's birth so big an issue, that still, maybe 20% of Americans believe he was born in a foreign country.

I don't think the biggest reason was because he was black, but that was part of it.

I don't think the biggest reason was because he was President, but that was also part of it.

The biggest reason was that Trump (and others, but Trump arguably spear-headed it). Trump publicly claimed that something that wasn't true, that he, himself, probably KNEW wasn't true, for months, maybe over a year. He pushed that rhetoric, absolutely false claims, to rile people up. It was nothing but propaganda.

And do you know who LOVED IT, that Trump did that? Racists loved it. Also, far right nut jobs loved it. People who would later join Q-Anon loved Trump for telling that lie over and over.

That's dangerous. Having a person like that, who tells lies to rile people up and gain popularity, is just about the worst person you could ever elect. Electing Trump is like electing Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News to run the country. But, it's worse than that, because Trump also uses the government to benefit himself. He gives friendly relations to nations that allow him to build hotels cheaply. He has presidential resorts on his golf courses on the taxpayer's dime. He lies constantly and he's threatened to weaponize the department of justice.

One of the first things that happened when Trump took office, was that the people who protested, and I think a few cars were damaged. Not that serious as far as protests go, but Trump and his man, Jeff Sessions, charged like 200 protests with felonies, with trials that lasted for as long as 2 years. This was a millionth as harmful as January 6th was almost 4 years later, but Trump and sessions were fine with charging protestors with felonies. Ultimately all the charges were dropped, but charges were held against relatively minor behavior for 2 years in some cases, at the cost of tens of millions of tax payer dollers. That's who Trump is. Biden would never do something like that. No prior president would.

And then there was the time he had the national guard shoot their way through a legal protest so he could hold a bible for a photo-op.

So, he's not only a liar. He not only riles people up, including racists. RACISTS LOVE TRUMP. He's their man. He's their favorite president ever. He's also stupid as all ****, self-serving as they come, and he's vindictive.

When people say terrible things about Trump, even if the things people say might not be true. Trump himself might not be a racist, but he encourages racists. Trump is that terrible. People aren't wrong to fear him and say terrible things about him. He's that bad.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1708 » by Luv those Knicks » Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:43 am

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All of Trump's zealots were foaming at the mouth in October 2020 that Trump would crush Biden on election day. The result? Trump lost by 7 million votes. He has not picked up any support since then and he won't gain any with a mouse bite on his ear. His base has dug in its heels and gotten crazier, but that doesn't equal more votes.

Ignore them. They were so badly wrong before. Nothing they say now is fueled by logic, only anger and hate and that doesn't win an election.


Liberal base = https://x.com/libsoftiktok
LOL


You just linked to a known stochastic terrorist, but that's no surprise seeing how illiterate you are


I also don't have time to read an entire twitter feed. I wish he'd just selected a single post to make his point.

The name "libsoftiktok" is suspect. I'd never go to a site like that on my own, and if it appeared on my feed, I'd probably block it.

Why do conservatives think that by posting "oh look at that extreme liberal" that it excuses them for all their sh*t. Biden is sane. He's normal. Trump isn't. This is the primary issue for this election. Not "liberals on tik-tok", who don't happen to be on any tickets running for office.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1709 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:54 am

The Secret Service f*cked up and right wingers are angry. Hey, you should be glad the administrative state f*cked up.

It'll be better when the Secret Service is outsourced and it's staffed by Sri Lankans making $10 a day.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1710 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:56 am

Did you all solve US politics yet?

Why does anyone in here who is over 50 even care? You'll be dead soon enough. It's not really your country anymore. If the country goes to ****, you'll only have to deal with it for 10,15,30 years. Or sooner, if you are lucky!

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Post#1711 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:58 am

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GOP miles ahead of the Democrats in terms of microtargeting voters.

Helps to have right wing lunatics ideologues who are rich behind you. Say hello to Peter Theil and the Mercers.

Democrats need to get in bed with some really effective rich left of center lunatics. Otherwise, dustbin of history for them.

They can join the Republican party in the dustbin, since it doesn't really exist anymore either.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1712 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:01 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Did you all solve US politics yet?

Why does anyone in here who is over 50 even care? You'll be dead soon enough. It's not really your country anymore. If the country goes to ****, you'll only have to deal with it for 10,15,30 years. Or sooner, if you are lucky!

Have a nice day.


Damn bro. 25-30 years I may have left seems like a LONG time to me!
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Post#1713 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:22 pm

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Oh it is perfectly understandable. They butter their bread by bashing gays and then hook up later in the men's room. It's just like preachers who raise millions by hating on queers while they are the queerest of the bunch. Hate pays


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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1714 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:24 pm

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Liberal base = https://x.com/libsoftiktok
LOL


You just linked to a known stochastic terrorist, but that's no surprise seeing how illiterate you are


I also don't have time to read an entire twitter feed. I wish he'd just selected a single post to make his point.

The name "libsoftiktok" is suspect. I'd never go to a site like that on my own, and if it appeared on my feed, I'd probably block it.

Why do conservatives think that by posting "oh look at that extreme liberal" that it excuses them for all their sh*t. Biden is sane. He's normal. Trump isn't. This is the primary issue for this election. Not "liberals on tik-tok", who don't happen to be on any tickets running for office.


Libs of TikTok is run by a nazi who targets people and sics her insane MAGA followers on them. I think she might have gotten some poor trans kid killed but don't quote me on that
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1715 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:28 pm

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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.
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Post#1716 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:28 pm

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spree8 wrote:The head of the SS said the building the shooter was on was left out of the pac-man shaped security bubble because it wasn’t part of the SS responsibility. Reason is because the building was the tactical operations center for the local police. Of all the buildings to pick, he chooses the one not guarded by SS. That’s amazing. Congressman Comer who’s chairman of the house oversight committee said the SS absolutely should’ve been covering that building.


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I’ve also read some say that the SS snipers can only engage when a potential threat acts first or even have to wait for command, which isn’t true. So if they were looking right in his direction, wtf took so long?
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I've watched news reports which stated that the SS, local, and state police were on site and responsible for certain areas but that they weren't coordinated by one agency. Was the local police department's "tactical operations center" securing that building? That seems like an easy one, no?

Does anyone know if there were FBI agents on the scene at the time of shooting?

What's incredible to me is that there, apparently, was no coordination or command structure among/between these various law enforcement agencies. There's too much video evidence available to experts in the field now. They will figure this one out but it appears to be a collapse in executing what should be a routine plan to protect a presidential candidate making an outdoor campaign speech.

THEY EVEN MADE A DAMN MOVIE ABOUT IT!!!! :rofl:

"In The Line Of Fire" with Clint Eastwood and John Malkovich. 1993 :rofl:


Gross incompetence or coordinated plausible deniability?


I guess we’ll find out once the experts have sifted through all of the available evidence.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1717 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:32 pm

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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.


Or just disinformation.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1718 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:33 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:It's racist to question where someone was born? Obama was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii with an African father. I believe Kendrick said it recently... They not like us. You can certainly argue it was silly, but I'm not with the idea that any criticism or questioning of a black person is racism.


Of course it is racist. Obama is an American citizen who was born in Hawaii. That you'd even bring this up as if it is even a question is utterly disingenuous.

Don't even try to detach the birther nonsense from racism pal. It was always designed to stir up false animosity against Obama for being born to an African father. Anyone who is still bringing this up is beyond ignorant.


The fact that this is in question as racism is disingenuous at best.

It’s not racist to question where someone was born but when Obama had produced his birth certificate years prior, and Trump was still questioning it, (pushing the long debunked theory and tapping into racist sentiment) by demanding the long form of his birth certificate is undeniable racism .

But this is a bigger part of what right wingers do, when they gaslight and distort issues, and oversimplify the extent of it, like he was innocently “questioning where someone was born”

Just like the Jan.6th argument they downplay the insurrection as simply “questioning an election result” No! what Trump did was way more than simply questioning an election. It’s a bad faith misdirection and misinformation of all issues. They're either ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting arguments and it’s disgusting.

Unfortunately the school system has taught us all that forming an argument means repeating what we are told and reacting emotionally.

If we are actually thinking critically, by this vague feeling/definition (there is no adhered to definition by the way) Joe Biden is also a racist. But for some reason that is irrelevant.

For some arbitrary reason it's not racist to want proof of where someone with loose ties to America was born, but pushing for definite proof is absolute racism.

It's not possible that Obama's ideas were viewed as a threat and this was one attempt to discredit him. It's not possible to beloved believe that someone who was so disconnected from being an American would be good for the job?

Nope, it is just an attack to be racist? I mean this is so pointless and really a low level argument. It's just name calling, and frankly is just a tactic no better than demanding a long form birth certificate even if you believed he was born in America.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1719 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:33 pm

spree8 wrote:The head of the SS said the building the shooter was on was left out of the pac-man shaped security bubble because it wasn’t part of the SS responsibility. Reason is because the building was the tactical operations center for the local police. Of all the buildings to pick, he chooses the one not guarded by SS. That’s amazing. Congressman Comer who’s chairman of the house oversight committee said the SS absolutely should’ve been covering that building.


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I’ve also read some say that the SS snipers can only engage when a potential threat acts first or even have to wait for command, which isn’t true. So if they were looking right in his direction, wtf took so long?
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The Secret Service is rotten to the core. Cheatle needs to resign immediately.

Biden and Harris better be sure that their details aren't as half assed as Trump's ffs. This isn't funny.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1720 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:36 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.


Or just disinformation.


Absolutely, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

But would I be shocked? No.

The joke is on his supporters. They really think a fascist authoritarian is going to let them keep their guns in the long run if he gets what he wants, which is full dictatorial power.
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