More exciting young phenom Alcaraz, Bellingham or Wembanyama

[cgf]

Bellingham gets elevated because he's also very handsome/likeable (still an extremely talented young player).

Is he still likable? He complained a lot when he was with Dortmund, since leaving BVB he's gotten even worse and is almost as whiny as Müller...

[Chuck Everett]

Bellingham gets elevated because he's also very handsome/likeable (still an extremely talented young player).

Is he still likable? He complained a lot when he was with Dortmund, since leaving BVB he's gotten even worse and is almost as whiny as Müller...

This I won't deny, but there's a reason I focused on his looks. He's handsome enough to be a model and yet he's an elite footballer. Now, he could easily fall into that Alex Rodriguez category where no one seems to like him regardless of the talent he displays. I guess we'll have to see.

[KG Leonard]

Easy with the Yamal thing, he needs to perform like at Messi at 19 to be even in this thread. He was more like a roleplayer in Spain, important but not the clear star like Rodri. 7 good games isn't enough, he need to carry Barcelona. Soccer best players right now are like Mbappe, Vini Jr, KDB, Rodri etc.
There is no Messi or Ronaldinho in their prime,

Wemby is carrying a franchise in NBA with more great players than ever. Him and Alcatraz is world beating wonderkids on their level at the moment.
Bellingham doesn't belong here, he is overhyped because Brit media dominate soccer in Europe, he showed in the Euro that he needs Real stars like Vini Jr, Kroos etc to shine

[cgf]

Bellingham gets elevated because he's also very handsome/likeable (still an extremely talented young player).

Is he still likable? He complained a lot when he was with Dortmund, since leaving BVB he's gotten even worse and is almost as whiny as Müller...

This I won't deny, but there's a reason I focused on his looks. He's handsome enough to be a model and yet he's an elite footballer. Now, he could easily fall into that Alex Rodriguez category where no one seems to like him regardless of the talent he displays. I guess we'll have to see.

I was genuinely being curious. On top of his looks, he's also seemed like a good kid with "honorable" intentions while in germany...at least as honorable as top level football gets...but I wonder if just how much he complains and how entitled he's become, outweighs the things that do make him likable for others.

I still like him for the most part, but I still like Müller despite his working of the refs.

[cgf]

Easy with the Yamal thing, he needs to perform like at Messi at 19 to be even in this thread. He was more like a roleplayer in Spain, important but not the clear star like Rodri. 7 good games isn't enough, he need to carry Barcelona. Soccer best players right now are like Mbappe, Vini Jr, KDB, Rodri etc.
There is no Messi or Ronaldinho in their prime,

Wemby is carrying a franchise in NBA with more great players than ever. Him and Alcatraz is world beating wonderkids on their level at the moment.
Bellingham doesn't belong here, he is overhyped because Brit media dominate soccer in Europe, he showed in the Euro that he needs Real stars like Vini Jr, Kroos etc to shine

I know people are pushing Rodri hard for the BdO, so we're going to see folks downplaying his team-mates, but Yamal was not just a role player. He & Nico terrified defenses, Rodri & Ruiz were excellent, and Olmo coming in unlocked a new gear for them.

Precocity =/= potential, and Yamal may well never become a clear cut best player over the likes of Musiala, Wirtz, Mbappe, etc., but he's already world class on his night and absolutely a phenom by every definition of the word.

[Hellcrooner]

Yamal needs to work on his scoring ability.
Right now he is at imperial storm trooper accuracy on target.

[KG Leonard]

Easy with the Yamal thing, he needs to perform like at Messi at 19 to be even in this thread. He was more like a roleplayer in Spain, important but not the clear star like Rodri. 7 good games isn't enough, he need to carry Barcelona. Soccer best players right now are like Mbappe, Vini Jr, KDB, Rodri etc.
There is no Messi or Ronaldinho in their prime,

Wemby is carrying a franchise in NBA with more great players than ever. Him and Alcatraz is world beating wonderkids on their level at the moment.
Bellingham doesn't belong here, he is overhyped because Brit media dominate soccer in Europe, he showed in the Euro that he needs Real stars like Vini Jr, Kroos etc to shine

I know people are pushing Rodri hard for the BdO, so we're going to see folks downplaying his team-mates, but Yamal was not just a role player. He & Nico terrified defenses, Rodri & Ruiz were excellent, and Olmo coming in unlocked a new gear for them.

Precocity =/= potential, and Yamal may well never become a clear cut best player over the likes of Musiala, Wirtz, Mbappe, etc., but he's already world class on his night and absolutely a phenom by every definition of the word.

I went overboard with roleplayer thing , actually I thought Olmo or Yamal should have been MVP of Euro instead. He was great, was their best creative force with all his assists but 7 games isn't enough to be crazy high wonderkid yet He was uneven at Barca, he wasn't Messi or Owen or Rooney, Mbappe at 18-19 level. Maybe next year after a good season at Barca he will be enough to be compared in this thread. Potential isn't enough when Mbappe was best player on France WC 2018 at 19.

He is phenomenon but not near World class yet. You can't compare him to those teenagers who have years of good play imo. When they were under 20 years old.

Rodri should win Bdo because he was the best midfielder before Euro and he was the best player on Spain. They will probably give it to a lesser player like Vini jr or Kroos as lifetime achievement award...

[LordCovington33]

I’m going for the Spaniard who turned 17 a day before the Euro Final and tied the record for the most assists for the tournament aged 16-17.
I haven’t read all the comments but had a laugh at the “role player” comment.

[Dr Aki]

Alcaraz only has Sinner as the only competition as talented as he is

Whereas Bellingham and Wemby have to achieve team success to be as successful.

Easy for Bellingham, not as easy for Wemby

[KG Leonard]

I’m going for the Spaniard who turned 17 a day before the Euro Final and tied the record for the most assists for the tournament aged 16-17.
I haven’t read all the comments but had a laugh at the “role player” comment.

Yeah my bad that comment was straight hyperbole.

I just think Yamal has played too few games. If he is showing Messi level potential this early next year, I would remove Bellingham and make this thread about Wemby, Yamal, Alcatraz. I think Bellingham is criminally overrated by the media but he has 4 seasons of teenage superstar, this last year he was pure world-class. I respect those seasons more than a month of great 16 year old play.

[BadWolf]

Is he still likable? He complained a lot when he was with Dortmund, since leaving BVB he's gotten even worse and is almost as whiny as Müller...

This I won't deny, but there's a reason I focused on his looks. He's handsome enough to be a model and yet he's an elite footballer. Now, he could easily fall into that Alex Rodriguez category where no one seems to like him regardless of the talent he displays. I guess we'll have to see.

I was genuinely being curious. On top of his looks, he's also seemed like a good kid with "honorable" intentions while in germany...at least as honorable as top level football gets...but I wonder if just how much he complains and how entitled he's become, outweighs the things that do make him likable for others.

I still like him for the most part, but I still like Müller despite his working of the refs.

Ask.yourself, does anyone like Jude but Real and English fans?

[The-Power]

Yamal needs to work on his scoring ability.
Right now he is at imperial storm trooper accuracy on target.

Not worried about that. A couple years ago I wrote that he is the first prospect that I have seen come through La Masia who has a good chance to lead his teams in both goals and assists since Messi. He was playing Infantil A at that point, iirc, and his shooting ability was so far ahead of his peers that it was borderline ridiculous.

Besides injuries, his attitude really is the only thing to keep him from a world class career. Not saying he has a poor attitude, just to be clear. But he has been viewed as the premiere talent in La Masia for a long time and now had a meteoric rise to stardom. It takes a lot of determination to keep yourself grounded and continue to work hard in such a context.

I hope he has that in him because in terms of pure talent he's the crème de la crème and could spearhead a new era.

[peZt]

Easy with the Yamal thing, he needs to perform like at Messi at 19 to be even in this thread. He was more like a roleplayer in Spain, important but not the clear star like Rodri. 7 good games isn't enough, he need to carry Barcelona. Soccer best players right now are like Mbappe, Vini Jr, KDB, Rodri etc.
There is no Messi or Ronaldinho in their prime,

Wemby is carrying a franchise in NBA with more great players than ever. Him and Alcatraz is world beating wonderkids on their level at the moment.
Bellingham doesn't belong here, he is overhyped because Brit media dominate soccer in Europe, he showed in the Euro that he needs Real stars like Vini Jr, Kroos etc to shine

Yamal is the best 16 year old in the history of Football. What he has done is unprecedented. And no he is not a role player, but a Top 3 player for Spain and Barcelona. I dont think you realize how crazy that is at 16. He absolutely does belong in this thread unlike Bellingham. Who is probably the most overrated player in Football that I remember seeing. His PR is excellent tho, gotta give him that

[durden_tyler]

It’s early but if Wemby wins like 2 titles max, people will really be disappointed. Unfair since this is a team sport.


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[baldur]

Bellingham is nowhere close to alcaraz or wembanyama to be fair.

Alcaraz and wembanyama have both potential be the goat in their respective sports.

But who really thinks Jude bellingham will surpass Messi, Ronaldo or Maradona?

[UcanUwill]

Is he still likable? He complained a lot when he was with Dortmund, since leaving BVB he's gotten even worse and is almost as whiny as Müller...

This I won't deny, but there's a reason I focused on his looks. He's handsome enough to be a model and yet he's an elite footballer. Now, he could easily fall into that Alex Rodriguez category where no one seems to like him regardless of the talent he displays. I guess we'll have to see.

I was genuinely being curious. On top of his looks, he's also seemed like a good kid with "honorable" intentions while in germany...at least as honorable as top level football gets...but I wonder if just how much he complains and how entitled he's become, outweighs the things that do make him likable for others.

I still like him for the most part, but I still like Müller despite his working of the refs.

Is there really a thing where Bellinghams looks elevates him? I mean, yeah, I can see he looks good, but I am not sure I see super model. The only athlete I can remember that undoubtfully had to be elevated by his looks was David Beckham, that was one of the best looking men alive, who was also just elite athlete.

[Chuck Everett]

This I won't deny, but there's a reason I focused on his looks. He's handsome enough to be a model and yet he's an elite footballer. Now, he could easily fall into that Alex Rodriguez category where no one seems to like him regardless of the talent he displays. I guess we'll have to see.

I was genuinely being curious. On top of his looks, he's also seemed like a good kid with "honorable" intentions while in germany...at least as honorable as top level football gets...but I wonder if just how much he complains and how entitled he's become, outweighs the things that do make him likable for others.

I still like him for the most part, but I still like Müller despite his working of the refs.

Is there really a thing where Bellinghams looks elevates him? I mean, yeah, I can see he looks good, but I am not sure I see super model. The only athlete I can remember that undoubtfully had to be elevated by his looks was David Beckham, that was one of the best looking men alive, who was also just elite athlete.

Can't use Beckham because that's like using the Beatles or Elvis as a comparison to Taylor Swift. The eras are too far apart and society is different in terms of how we consume arts/sports/entertainment.

[KG Leonard]

Easy with the Yamal thing, he needs to perform like at Messi at 19 to be even in this thread. He was more like a roleplayer in Spain, important but not the clear star like Rodri. 7 good games isn't enough, he need to carry Barcelona. Soccer best players right now are like Mbappe, Vini Jr, KDB, Rodri etc.
There is no Messi or Ronaldinho in their prime,

Wemby is carrying a franchise in NBA with more great players than ever. Him and Alcatraz is world beating wonderkids on their level at the moment.
Bellingham doesn't belong here, he is overhyped because Brit media dominate soccer in Europe, he showed in the Euro that he needs Real stars like Vini Jr, Kroos etc to shine

Yamal is the best 16 year old in the history of Football. What he has done is unprecedented. And no he is not a role player, but a Top 3 player for Spain and Barcelona. I dont think you realize how crazy that is at 16. He absolutely does belong in this thread unlike Bellingham. Who is probably the most overrated player in Football that I remember seeing. His PR is excellent tho, gotta give him that

I agree fully, he is amazing, usually people are 18 before they show this much greatness. Ball IQ, skills wise he is way ahead of most wingers, nr.10. His conditioning, injuries is needed to maintain well. I think just he was brilliant in first starring role, Barcelona was chaos and he still showed so much potential.


Best 17 ever he has zero chance though, since Pele scored most goals and destroyed the only chance my country Sweden for WC win in 1958.
I hope Barca don't ruin his club football.

[UcanUwill]

I was genuinely being curious. On top of his looks, he's also seemed like a good kid with "honorable" intentions while in germany...at least as honorable as top level football gets...but I wonder if just how much he complains and how entitled he's become, outweighs the things that do make him likable for others.

I still like him for the most part, but I still like Müller despite his working of the refs.

Is there really a thing where Bellinghams looks elevates him? I mean, yeah, I can see he looks good, but I am not sure I see super model. The only athlete I can remember that undoubtfully had to be elevated by his looks was David Beckham, that was one of the best looking men alive, who was also just elite athlete.

Can't use Beckham because that's like using the Beatles or Elvis as a comparison to Taylor Swift. The eras are too far apart and society is different in terms of how we consume arts/sports/entertainment.

Is it? I am just saying, Beckham was undoubtfully 10/10, Bellingham is just fine, imo at least. I have heard people say Beckham is most attractive man alive, at least 15 years ago, it was very popular opinion to have. I could never imagine people say that about Jude. Hes good looking, but not any better than countless other players. You really think his looks are that strong it elevates anything? Not sure. Wemby is also good looking, imo better looking than Jude.

[_NoMas]

The reality is there is probably no one alive today that has a chance in the next 20 years to overtake Messi in the football goat debate, he set the bar too high. Wemby and Alcarez is a better debate, but man Djokovics sustained excellence would take some topping in tennis