2023 NBA Draft

Colbinii · Post #2321 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:30 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Are you taking the over or under 10% chance that Jarace Walker is an allstar in his career based on what we have/haven't seen and Siakam acquistion?

Clearly Under. The #8 pick has ~30% chance of becoming a "star" [All-Star or above] and when you don't play your rookie season, that dwindles drastically.

JMAC3 · Post #2322 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:58 pm

If I had to rank this class moving forward, I would have it.
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Amen
4. Bilal
5. Lively
6. Ausar
7. Keyonte
8. Scoot
9. Podz
10. GG
11. Cason
12. Hawkins
13. Jacquez
14. Whitmore

Bet against Jarace, Black, Hendricks as top 10 guys. Bufkin would probably be the guy that surprises this year IMO over these 3 and jumps into a borderline top 10 guy from his class.

Chuck Everett · Post #2323 » by **Chuck Everett** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:06 pm

JMAC3 wrote:If I had to rank this class moving forward, I would have it.
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Amen
4. Bilal
5. Lively
6. Ausar
7. Keyonte
8. Scoot
9. Podz
10. GG
11. Cason
12. Hawkins
13. Jacquez
14. Whitmore

Bet against Jarace, Black, Hendricks as top 10 guys. Bufkin would probably be the guy that surprises this year IMO over these 3 and jumps into a borderline top 10 guy from his class.

Bufkin had some interesting performances during the last 10-15 games of the regular season. I am intrigued to see what his second year looks like as the primary backup to Trae.

KembaWalker · Post #2324 » by **KembaWalker** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:30 pm

Guess Scoot is too proven to have his time wasted in summer league

What happened to that dog in em mentality :lol:

Big J · Post #2325 » by **Big J** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:33 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Guess Scoot is too proven to have his time wasted in summer league

What happened to that dog in em mentality

In his mind he’s on Wembys level. He’s too good for summer league.

Colbinii · Post #2326 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:35 pm

Big J wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Guess Scoot is too proven to have his time wasted in summer league

What happened to that dog in em mentality

In his mind he’s on Wembys level. He’s too good for summer league.

NBA Teams don't really use Summer League for Development, they use it for assessment.

Portland had a full year to woefully assess Scoot.

Big J · Post #2327 » by **Big J** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:59 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Big J wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Guess Scoot is too proven to have his time wasted in summer league

What happened to that dog in em mentality

In his mind he’s on Wembys level. He’s too good for summer league.

NBA Teams don't really use Summer League for Development, they use it for assessment.

Portland had a full year to woefully assess Scoot.

Yet Brandon Miller, Jaime Jaquez, Amen, and Podz still need to be assessed?

Colbinii · Post #2328 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:26 pm

Big J wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Big J wrote:
In his mind he’s on Wembys level. He’s too good for summer league.

NBA Teams don't really use Summer League for Development, they use it for assessment.

Portland had a full year to woefully assess Scoot.

Yet Brandon Miller, Jaime Jaquez, Amen, and Podz still need to be assessed?

Each team is different.

Those teams may want to assess players with/next to the young "star" or want to see the younger star in a higher-usage role or a variety of different parts.

If anything, this has more to do with questioning Portland than it does questioning Scoot...

Big J · Post #2329 » by **Big J** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:51 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Big J wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
NBA Teams don't really use Summer League for Development, they use it for assessment.

Portland had a full year to woefully assess Scoot.

Yet Brandon Miller, Jaime Jaquez, Amen, and Podz still need to be assessed?

Each team is different.

Those teams may want to assess players with/next to the young "star" or want to see the younger star in a higher-usage role or a variety of different parts.

If anything, this has more to do with questioning Portland than it does questioning Scoot...

Not necessarily. Some guys see it as a slap in the face to be asked to play in summer league if they think they are too good for it.

Colbinii · Post #2330 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:53 pm

Big J wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Big J wrote:
Yet Brandon Miller, Jaime Jaquez, Amen, and Podz still need to be assessed?

Each team is different.

Those teams may want to assess players with/next to the young "star" or want to see the younger star in a higher-usage role or a variety of different parts.

If anything, this has more to do with questioning Portland than it does questioning Scoot...

Not necessarily. Some guys see it as a slap in the face to be asked to play in summer league if they think they are too good for it.

Sure, but we can't just assume things about Scoot as we try to paint our own narratives and then try to fit round pegs into square holes as we support our propagated narrative.

Big J · Post #2331 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:23 am

Whitehead is just not good. Sorry Clyde, I know he was your guy.

BAMAFREAK · Post #2332 » by **BAMAFREAK** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:48 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Dick has the issue of being a shooter only and developing yips when he came up against NBA speed.

We'll see how he bounces back next year when he's more used to NBA speed.

Top players form 2023 so far are probably

1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Jaquez
4. Lively Jr
5. Wallace
6. Podz
7. Scoot
8. Black
9. Couilibaly

No one else is really playing or doing stuff.

GG Jackson is having an absolutely terrible season in the G-League but we're still getting the "GG would have been the #1 pick in 2024!!!" nonsense despite him showing no growth whatsoever.

Not sure how a redraft goes. Amen and Ausar are probably the hardest young players to evaluate in several years because they're so historically bad at shooting (with basically no hope of improvement) that you need to arrange your entire team around them and it's not clear if they're going to be good enough to justify that.

Care to reassess that GG take?

EvanZ · Post #2333 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:37 pm

Jett Howard packed on a ton of muscle in the past year. He looks like a completely different guy and it's not just the hair.

bucknut · Post #2334 » by **bucknut** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:54 pm

JMAC3 wrote:If I had to rank this class moving forward, I would have it.
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Amen
4. Bilal
5. Lively
6. Ausar
7. Keyonte
8. Scoot
9. Podz
10. GG
11. Cason
12. Hawkins
13. Jacquez
14. Whitmore

Bet against Jarace, Black, Hendricks as top 10 guys. Bufkin would probably be the guy that surprises this year IMO over these 3 and jumps into a borderline top 10 guy from his class.

Trace Jackson Davis should be on there ahead of lively. He has a legit post game. Lively has none. Lively is overrated imo and is more like Jaxon Hayes.

JMAC3 · Post #2335 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:08 pm

bucknut wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:If I had to rank this class moving forward, I would have it.
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Amen
4. Bilal
5. Lively
6. Ausar
7. Keyonte
8. Scoot
9. Podz
10. GG
11. Cason
12. Hawkins
13. Jacquez
14. Whitmore

Bet against Jarace, Black, Hendricks as top 10 guys. Bufkin would probably be the guy that surprises this year IMO over these 3 and jumps into a borderline top 10 guy from his class.

Trace Jackson Davis should be on there ahead of lively. He has a legit post game. Lively has none. Lively is overrated imo and is more like Jaxon Hayes.

Jackson Davis is fine, but he 24, Lively is 20. Even if he is 5% better right this second Lively is going to fly by him in development.

elias808 · Post #2336 » by **elias808** » Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:15 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Big J wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Each team is different.

Those teams may want to assess players with/next to the young "star" or want to see the younger star in a higher-usage role or a variety of different parts.

If anything, this has more to do with questioning Portland than it does questioning Scoot...

Not necessarily. Some guys see it as a slap in the face to be asked to play in summer league if they think they are too good for it.

Sure, but we can't just assume things about Scoot as we try to paint our own narratives and then try to fit round pegs into square holes as we support our propagated narrative.

It was reported by Portland insiders that Scoot wanted to play in SL, but mgmt held him out for whatever reason.

BAMAFREAK · Post #2337 » by **BAMAFREAK** » Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:31 am

I would honestly take GG at 3. A lot of that is due to his shooting and size being exactly what the Grizzlies need….but I don’t think many would have him too low

clyde21 · Post #2338 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:30 am

GG is still gonna be younger than most rooks this year lol

HadAnEffectHere · Post #2339 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:35 pm

Five games into the season and Keyonte George has beaten basically no one off the dribble.

This inability to put any pressure on the defense has caused the Jazz to have the worst offense in the NBA by nearly 7 (!!!) points per 100 possession as he's the main ball handler on the team.

On NBA.com, the Spurs are 29th in offense with a 104.4 ORtg, the Jazz are 30th at 97.8 ORtg.

He just doesn't look talented enough and the Jazz's reporters are openly questioning whether he's an NBA player.

Braggins · Post #2340 » by **Braggins** » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:43 pm

EvanZ wrote:Jett Howard packed on a ton of muscle in the past year. He looks like a completely different guy and it's not just the hair.

He still doesn't look very quick laterally, but he threw down a dunk in this most recent summer league that kind of shocked with me how explosive he looked compared to when he was in college.