(Lock Thread)The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Playoffs & Off-Season Thread -(NO PERSONAL ATTACKS & BAITING)

[zimpy27]

Bucks did what Lakers should have

[tone wone]

Eh, he'd start for MIL. LA cant gurantee that. He's trying to rebuild his value.

[ardee]

Bronny really not looking too great, 0-15 from 3 in the Summer League so far. He has to fade back to create space for his jumpers and that's why most of them are falling short, with some airballs.

I really worry for his mental health going forward. He clearly should've stayed in college and developed a few more years. It's like a 9th grade math student getting strings pulled for him to end up in a calculus class at an Ivy League. Just so out of his depth.

[zimpy27]

Eh, he'd start for MIL. LA cant gurantee that. He's trying to rebuild his value.

Bucks got Delon, Prince, GTJ on minimum deals.

They'd be in Lakers playoff rotation.

Reaves, GTJ, LeBron, Rui, Davis
DLo, Delon, Prince, Vando, Wood

[Slava]

Bronny really not looking too great, 0-15 from 3 in the Summer League so far. He has to fade back to create space for his jumpers and that's why most of them are falling short, with some airballs.

I really worry for his mental health going forward. He clearly should've stayed in college and developed a few more years. It's like a 9th grade math student getting strings pulled for him to end up in a calculus class at an Ivy League. Just so out of his depth.

Undersized guard with no handle and bad shot. That’s not an NBA player. He’s be better off finishing his college and taking a job at Klutch.

[McBubbles]

Don't go on gen board much, but the last post on that thread (before it was locked) is funny



In reality, that meeting consisted of LeBron expressing that he wanted to leave the bubble lol



https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/lakers-clippers-vote-to-cancel-rest-of-playoffs-every-other-team-votes-to-continue

And then LeBron/AD nonetheless buckled down and dominated en route to a championship.

Par for the course for GB from what little I see there lol

Just like the “Mickey Mouse” rewriting that happened once the Clippers and Bucks were second round exits and it became obvious Lebron was going to win.

The Venn diagram of the “bubble doesn’t count” people and LeBron haters is basically a circle. Not only does it count, it was the most difficult title for one of the favorites to win.

1) A team that had home court advantage lost it and had to play all neutral site games. Regardless of anything else, this lowers a favorite’s odds. The argument about “not having to play on the road” is ridiculous since the Lakers were a great road team and LeBron specifically is one of the greatest if not the greatest road player in playoff history.

2. Lakers played with a massive 3P deficit compared to everyone else WHILE playing in a sterile gym environment when three point deficiency should have been a massive detriment.



Every single champion since 2010 has been top 6 in either three point attempt rate or percentage except for the 2012 Heat and 2020 Lakers, two teams that are close to being technical outliers.

Spoiler:

Three-point % league rank of NBA champions since 2011

2018 Warriors, 1st
2015 Warriors, 1st
2014 Spurs, 1st
2013 Heat, 2nd
2017 Warriors, 3rd
2023 Nuggets, 4th
2021 Bucks, 5th
2019 Raptors 6th
2016 Cavs, 7th
2012 Heat, 9th
2011 Mavs, 11th
2020 Lakers, 21st

Three-point attempt rate league rank of NBA champions since 2011

2024 Celtics, 1st in attempt rate
2022 Warriors, 2nd
2016 Cavs, 3rd
2011 Mavs, 3rd
2013 Heat, 5th
2017 Warriors, 6th
2015 Warriors, 7th
2019 Raptors, 10th
2021 Bucks, 12th
2018 Warriors, 18th
2014 Spurs, 16th
2023 Nuggets, 21st
2012 Heat, 21st
2020 Lakers, 22nd

Three-point attempt rate league rank and three-point % league rank of NBA champions since 2011

2024 Celtics, 1st and 2nd
2023 Nuggets, 21st and 4th
2022 Warriors, 2nd and 9th
2021 Bucks, 12th and 5th
2020 Lakers, 22nd and 21st
2019 Raptors, 10th and 6th
2018 Warrior, 15th and 1st
2017 Warriors, 6th and 3rd
2016 Cavs, 3rd and 6th
2015 Warriors, 7th and 1st
2014 Spurs, 16th and 1st
2013 Heat, 5th and 2nd
2012 Heat, 21st and 9th
2011 Mavs, 3rd and 11th

3. In a sterile gym environment while playing at a three point disadvantage, the Lakers were dominant.
In a sterile environment that before the bubble was considered a disadvantage, and our teams would be 50-50, the Lakers utterly dominated.

2020 Lakers’ Playoffs leads
Game 2 vs. Blazers: +33, 7:58 left
Game 4 vs. Blazers, +38, 8:38 left in 3rd quarter Game 4 vs. Rockets, +23, 7:21 left
Game 5 vs. Rockets, +29, 4:33 left
Game 1 vs. Nuggets, +27, 5:03 left
Game 1 vs. Heat, +30, 4:25 left in 3rd; +24, 6:08 left in the game
Game 6 vs. Heat, +36, 3:29 left in 3rd; +22, 2:05 left in the game

LeBron + AD in the 2020 playoffs: +19.8 sans 4th quarters, +17.4 sans 27 minutes of garbage time.

Spoiler:

Regular season: #22 in three point attempt rate, #21 in 3 point %.
Playoffs: #11 out of 16 in three point attempt rate, #12 out of 16 in 3 point %.

One of the things about that Lakers team was how high their peak level was, sneakilyone of the highest there has ever been, because they were not built to hunt three-point shots, nor make them at a highly efficient rate in an era of three-point shooting, but they were able to excel in almost all other aspects of the game other than turnover economy, so when the 2020 Lakers hit a league average amount of three-pointers at the league average three point percentage in a game, they only lost two games all season before the end of the season and game five versus the heat in the NBA finals which they probably should’ve won anyway. When they got hot in the playoffs they were murdering teams.

One of the reasons they were such a great road team was because their core game of rim pressure, shots at the rim, defense, rebounding, generating turnovers, etc., was highly, highly replicable, and when they DID get hot from outside, they were pretty much invincible. In the playoffs, they exerted all of this, and were incredibly dominant outside of garbage time minutes though they were not to go three-point shooting team, which of course raises concerns against a team like the 2018 Houston Rockets.

2020 Lakers’ Playoffs leads

Game 2 vs. Blazers: +33, 7:58 left
Game 4 vs. Blazers, +38, 8:38 left in 3rd quarter
Game 4 vs. Rockets, +23, 7:21 left
Game 5 vs. Rockets, +29, 4:33 left
Game 1 vs. Nuggets, +27, 5:03 left
Game 1 vs. Heat, +30, 4:25 left in 3rd; +24, 6:08 left in the game
Game 6 vs. Heat, +36, 3:29 left in 3rd; +22, 2:05 left in the game

4. Lastly. BEFORE the bubble, the narrative was much different, i.e., it’s a pure basketball environment, skills like shooting will be much more valuable, the Blazers were the best 8th seed since they had injuries, and the real team was super hot with Lillard playing in an empty gym, the math doesn’t work against the Blazers and it doesn’t work against the Rockets, etc.

Lakers can’t really shoot, they play archaically (they did with two bigs but still won without the 5 out shooting the “non-portable” James supposedly needs), Blazers are the best 8th seed ever with a returned Nurkic and a Lillard going scorched earth in the bubble and are going to beat them, and if not them, then Harden will and the Rockets will because the Lakers play archaically, and the math doesn’t add up, etc.

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Whenever momentum swings to a Lebron team they start getting the excuses in early. The way they all jumped like rats on a sinking ship in 2020 run. Saud the blazers were going to sweep and had amnesia once the series was tied, same with the Rockets the nexr series. Obviously entitled to change one's mind but when you start talking about series that haven't even been played it's funny. Who had the Lakers as realistic contenders last week?

When it comes to LeBron, the goalposts always get moved until they are in outer space.

Look at 2020

Lakers’ roster was supposedly trash but then became a stacked “SuPeRtEaM” after they won

So many people picked the Lakers to be 7th seed, 5th seed, 4th seed, miss the playoffs, etc. Where were all the posters saying they’re a lock for a title because LeBron is anticompetitive? As always, it’s only after the fact:

Projected standings: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1873239

Lakers will miss the playoffs: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1867887

Lakers roster is really unimpressive: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1903521

Lakers (who will after the season be called an obvious superteam), were trash and should have traded James

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[b]Lakers’ roster is far behind the Clippers’ roster

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Lakers can’t really shoot, they play archaically (they did with two bigs but still won without the 5 out shooting the “non-portable” James supposedly needs), Blazers are the best 8th seed ever with a returned Nurkic and a Lillard going scorched earth in the bubble and are going to beat them, and if not them, then Harden will and the Rockets will because the Lakers play archaically, and the math doesn’t add up, etc.

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Now look at other years in the past:

2018–Cavs vs Toronto ZERO PERCENT chance that Cavs win in 4 or 5 against Toronto according to statistical models but it’s just, “LOOL, TORONTO. THEY WERE SCARED.” Toronto had a superior team in every way and so much so that forecasting models literally gave the Cavs zero chance to win in 4 or even 5. After they win, oh, of course. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364079/espn-forecast-nba-playoffs-predicting-makes-east-finals

After the Indy series, they were rightfully given no shot as they shouldn’t even have won that series if not for a GOAT scoring performance. Raps were 7 point favorites in game 1 and 6.5 in game 2. Everyone everywhere felt that this was the end road for the 2nd Cavs LeBron run and that this team was toast against Toronto and if not them then the Sixers would destroy them. Sixers were favored to win the East after their first round dominance because “anyone can win the East” until, well, not everyone won it. Sixers have never been to the finals with Embiid, the Nets never made it, etc.

2015

Hawks vs. Cavs—5 people picked the Hawks and not a SINGLE person picked the series to go less than 6/7 games. Love was out, Kyrie was hobbled and displayed limited minutes, and still the Cavs swept a 60 win team but in hindsight, “Of course the Hawks suck, lol,”

http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12904540/experts-predictions-conference-finals

Bulls vs. Cavs: 5 people picked the Bulls, nobody picked a series shorter than 6/7 but when it was over, it was, “Of course the Cavs won because thr Bulls suck. Kenny Smith at halftime of game one (without Love or JR) said the Bulls were just better but afterwards, he talks about “How easy the East is for LeBron”

http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12802517/experts-predictions-round-2

2016

Pistons vs Cavs: One person predicted a sweep, the majority were split between a 5/6 game series.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/playoffs15206459/experts-predictions-east-round-1

Hawks vs. Cavs —lots of 6/7 game predictions, but after the fact, it was, “Oh of course it was gonna be easy” disregarding the fact that it was a sweep because the Cavs put on one of the greatest shooting display ever in that series.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/ATLCLE-15445136/experts-predictions-cavaliers-hawks

2017—just more of the same

Raptors vs. Cavs: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ert-predictions-conference-semifinal-matchups

Pacers vs Cavs: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...fs-eastern-conference-predictions-first-round

Out of all the most infuriating, blood boiling basketball discussions I've had, having to explain why the #1 seed in the most difficult conference in the league having their home court advantage wiped out is in fact a BAD thing, I think topped the list.

You shouldn't even need to make a detailed argument ffs. If literally anybody besides Lebron won a championship after getting their home court advantage wiped out and was forced to play in the purest basketball environment possible with no distractions, they'd be called the GOAT. We'd be getting documentaries made to this **** day if MJ or Kobe did it, and how mentally tough and focused they are.

Lebron does it, and now all of a sudden the bubble somehow gave the Lakers specifically an easy path to the title? What the ****?

People don't even explain it either. They just go "Mickey Mouse Ring" because the moment you think about it for 3 seconds it stops making sense.

[homecourtloss]

Out of all the most infuriating, blood boiling basketball discussions I've had, having to explain why the #1 seed in the most difficult conference in the league having their home court advantage wiped out is in fact a BAD thing, I think topped the list.

You shouldn't even need to make a detailed argument ffs. If literally anybody besides Lebron won a championship after getting their home court advantage wiped out and was forced to play in the purest basketball environment possible with no distractions, they'd be called the GOAT. We'd be getting documentaries made to this **** day if MJ or Kobe did it, and how mentally tough and focused they are.

Lebron does it, and now all of a sudden the bubble somehow gave the Lakers specifically an easy path to the title? What the ****?

People don't even explain it either. They just go "Mickey Mouse Ring" because the moment you think about it for 3 seconds it stops making sense.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan’s pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shined through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”

[Djoker]

The bubble conditions are mostly irrelevant because all players that played faced them. Calling it a Mickey Mouse ring is indeed pretty dumb. It's legit ring that counts the same as any other.

However... there are plenty of reasons to call the 2020 ring a weak ring.

1) Lebron getting 4+ months to rest before the bubble started was a huge deal. The 2020 playoff version is the freshest we've seen Lebron during his whole Lakers tenure and I doubt it's a coincidence. For a player in his mid 30's with a ton of mileage to get that much time off is a huge advantage and it's just not for the other young players.

2) Secondly, the Lakers did get a very easy draw. Not facing either the Clippers or the Bucks in the postseason plus the myriad of opponent injuries do take a lot of luster off of that championship run. Here are their opponents with their W/L record prorated to 82 games:

1st Round: Blazers 39 wins -0.61 SRS (Lillard gets injured in Game 4)
2nd Round: Rockets 50 wins +3.13 SRS (Westbrook played injured)
WCF: Nuggets 52 wins +2.35 SRS
Finals: Heat 49 wins +2.59 SRS (Dragic DNP essentially the whole series, Adebayo DNP for two games)

2020 Heat the worst final opponent ever considering their injuries? The Nuggets are the only good team they faced and I'm using the word "good" pretty liberally here. +2.35 SRS is horrible for the best opponent during a title run.

3) Lastly, Lebron had a teammate on that 2020 team that was about as good and arguably even better and more impactful than him. In the playoffs, AD had better ON and ON-OFF ratings than Lebron and was better in a lot of metrics like WS, WS/48 and also led the team in minutes, points, offensive rebounds, and blocks.

EDIT: One more reason...

4) Lebron was arguably not the best player in any single playoff series.

[KembaWalker]

Out of all the most infuriating, blood boiling basketball discussions I've had, having to explain why the #1 seed in the most difficult conference in the league having their home court advantage wiped out is in fact a BAD thing, I think topped the list.

You shouldn't even need to make a detailed argument ffs. If literally anybody besides Lebron won a championship after getting their home court advantage wiped out and was forced to play in the purest basketball environment possible with no distractions, they'd be called the GOAT. We'd be getting documentaries made to this **** day if MJ or Kobe did it, and how mentally tough and focused they are.

Lebron does it, and now all of a sudden the bubble somehow gave the Lakers specifically an easy path to the title? What the ****?

People don't even explain it either. They just go "Mickey Mouse Ring" because the moment you think about it for 3 seconds it stops making sense.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan’s pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shined through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

[Colbinii]

Out of all the most infuriating, blood boiling basketball discussions I've had, having to explain why the #1 seed in the most difficult conference in the league having their home court advantage wiped out is in fact a BAD thing, I think topped the list.

You shouldn't even need to make a detailed argument ffs. If literally anybody besides Lebron won a championship after getting their home court advantage wiped out and was forced to play in the purest basketball environment possible with no distractions, they'd be called the GOAT. We'd be getting documentaries made to this **** day if MJ or Kobe did it, and how mentally tough and focused they are.

Lebron does it, and now all of a sudden the bubble somehow gave the Lakers specifically an easy path to the title? What the ****?

People don't even explain it either. They just go "Mickey Mouse Ring" because the moment you think about it for 3 seconds it stops making sense.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan’s pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shined through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

It's the off-season brah, go back under the bridge

[McBubbles]

Out of all the most infuriating, blood boiling basketball discussions I've had, having to explain why the #1 seed in the most difficult conference in the league having their home court advantage wiped out is in fact a BAD thing, I think topped the list.

You shouldn't even need to make a detailed argument ffs. If literally anybody besides Lebron won a championship after getting their home court advantage wiped out and was forced to play in the purest basketball environment possible with no distractions, they'd be called the GOAT. We'd be getting documentaries made to this **** day if MJ or Kobe did it, and how mentally tough and focused they are.

Lebron does it, and now all of a sudden the bubble somehow gave the Lakers specifically an easy path to the title? What the ****?

People don't even explain it either. They just go "Mickey Mouse Ring" because the moment you think about it for 3 seconds it stops making sense.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan’s pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shined through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

Michael Jordan's actual legacy as it exists right now in real life is fan-fiction. This is just Michael Jordan's mythology with Lebron's name slapped on it lol, not much of a stretch.

[CzBoobie]

EDIT: One more reason...

4) Lebron was arguably not the best player in any single playoff series.

I would love you try to argue that...

[KembaWalker]

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan’s pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shined through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

It's the off-season brah, go back under the bridge

Isn’t LeBron in the middle of playing actual meaningful basketball this summer and you guys have relapsed into bubble talk v138482 and actual fanfiction? Woo boy

[Colbinii]

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

It's the off-season brah, go back under the bridge

Isn’t LeBron in the middle of playing actual meaningful basketball this summer and you guys have relapsed into bubble talk v138482 and actual fanfiction? Woo boy

Cool then you don't need to engage.

Like what are you doing here in the 1st place? Complaining about what is being said in a LeBron James Thread?

I'm not going over to /r/conservative explaining to them why their threads and topics aren't relevant to the election or to politics in general. I'm not over there telling them what to care about for conservative politics and what not to care about.

I simply don't go there in the 1st place. You should do the same here.

[KembaWalker]

It's the off-season brah, go back under the bridge

Isn’t LeBron in the middle of playing actual meaningful basketball this summer and you guys have relapsed into bubble talk v138482 and actual fanfiction? Woo boy

Cool then you don't need to engage.

Like what are you doing here in the 1st place? Complaining about what is being said in a LeBron James Thread?

I'm not going over to /r/conservative explaining to them why their threads and topics aren't relevant to the election or to politics in general. I'm not over there telling them what to care about for conservative politics and what not to care about.

I simply don't go there in the 1st place. You should do the same here.

By all means, continue. I’ll look elsewhere for LeBron Olympic basketball discourse. You enjoy your MJ fan fiction unquestioned

[Colbinii]

Isn’t LeBron in the middle of playing actual meaningful basketball this summer and you guys have relapsed into bubble talk v138482 and actual fanfiction? Woo boy

Cool then you don't need to engage.

Like what are you doing here in the 1st place? Complaining about what is being said in a LeBron James Thread?

I'm not going over to /r/conservative explaining to them why their threads and topics aren't relevant to the election or to politics in general. I'm not over there telling them what to care about for conservative politics and what not to care about.

I simply don't go there in the 1st place. You should do the same here.

By all means, continue. I’ll look elsewhere for LeBron Olympic basketball discourse. You enjoy your MJ fan fiction unquestioned

I don't enjoy fanfiction of any kind. I did this thing where I simply didn't read someone's post. I didn't comment on it. I didn't address it. I didn't cry about not liking it.

I just ignored it.

[KembaWalker]

Cool then you don't need to engage.

Like what are you doing here in the 1st place? Complaining about what is being said in a LeBron James Thread?

I'm not going over to /r/conservative explaining to them why their threads and topics aren't relevant to the election or to politics in general. I'm not over there telling them what to care about for conservative politics and what not to care about.

I simply don't go there in the 1st place. You should do the same here.

By all means, continue. I’ll look elsewhere for LeBron Olympic basketball discourse. You enjoy your MJ fan fiction unquestioned

I don't enjoy fanfiction of any kind. I did this thing where I simply didn't read someone's post. I didn't comment on it. I didn't address it. I didn't cry about not liking it.

I just ignored it.

A creed you definitely should have stuck with. I’ll let your baiting end here. Have a good one

[CzBoobie]

Only one baiting here is you, again...go away already.

[Colbinii]

By all means, continue. I’ll look elsewhere for LeBron Olympic basketball discourse. You enjoy your MJ fan fiction unquestioned

I don't enjoy fanfiction of any kind. I did this thing where I simply didn't read someone's post. I didn't comment on it. I didn't address it. I didn't cry about not liking it.

I just ignored it.

A creed you definitely should have stuck with. I’ll let your baiting end here. Have a good one

Wasn't your entry into this thread today a bait?

Your first post was talking about "The Meta of the LeBron James Thread".

So this thread has deteriorated to actual fanfiction

You provided no substance or point of discussion. You didn't add anything to the conversation in any real way. You simply commented on the topic of discussion taking place here without actually engaging in any meaningful way.

And that means you weren't the one baiting?

[McBubbles]

Bronny really not looking too great, 0-15 from 3 in the Summer League so far. He has to fade back to create space for his jumpers and that's why most of them are falling short, with some airballs.

I really worry for his mental health going forward. He clearly should've stayed in college and developed a few more years. It's like a 9th grade math student getting strings pulled for him to end up in a calculus class at an Ivy League. Just so out of his depth.

Yeaaah Bronny sucks, and most people have known he sucks for awhile unfortunately. Only the weird Bronny Stans that have been trying to argue otherwise.

It's always been a bit concerning to me that Lebron's goal was for his son to play in the NBA. How can your personal goal involve someone else lol. Furthermore having a personal goal that involves another human being basically winning the lottery doesn't seem like a plan built for success...not to mention the immense amount of pressure that would put on said human being when they're your son.

Like, Bronny is actually so bad he probably retires before Lebron does. Think about that... think about how badly that would **** with your self esteem, probably for the rest of his life. I hope he goes back to college and finds another passion that's not NBA basketball.