Summer league 2024 thread

[winforlose]

I watched PHI vs DET game because of Bobbi Klintman, and I knew it will be ugly because PHI play zone defense in SL. But guys, your comments are more than funny

Relax, it is just a Summer league game with bad refereeing and opponents playing zone against inexperienced rookies.

That is fair. Now please explain (in words or pictures,) what their playing zone had to do with our missing so many uncontested layups (some of them by airball, looking at you Leonard .)

[minimus]

I watched PHI vs DET game because of Bobbi Klintman, and I knew it will be ugly because PHI play zone defense in SL. But guys, your comments are more than funny

Relax, it is just a Summer league game with bad refereeing and opponents playing zone against inexperienced rookies.

That is fair. Now please explain (in words or pictures,) what their playing zone had to do with our missing so many uncontested layups (some of them by airball, looking at you Leonard .)

With 5:42 left in the first half, the Wolves had almost double the number of free throws to shot attempts. The whistle and aggressive on-ball and zone defense prevented the Wolves from finding any offensive groove, particularly Dillingham. The PnRs were dried up.

source: https://www.canishoopus.com/timberwolves-scores-results/2024/7/16/24199674/nba-final-score-philadelphia-sixers-minnesota-timberwolves-rob-dillingham-leonard-miller

[minimus]

Our SL team is a copy from main: both struggle against zone and aggressive ball defense because of lack of movement shooters. I wonder if LeDee could help here because I've seen him shooting mid range jumpers from elbow. But he looks kind of lost in SL.

[Sealab2024]

At this point, IMHO, I've seen enough from Rob and Terrence to know where they're at and am worried there might be some negative impact (especially on Rob's shot) done by continuing to play them with these other guys. Robbie Shift needs to spend about 4-6 hours a day in the weight room and TSJ ought to be putting up around a thousand threes a day, not trying to sift through the muck that was last night.

[Colbinii]

Robbie Shift needs to spend about 4-6 hours a day in the weight room

That's not how this works.

[Sealab2024]

Robbie Shift needs to spend about 4-6 hours a day in the weight room

That's not how this works.

It is if you vary that ish. Yoga, swimming, cardio, upper, lower, core cold tub, hot tub. Morning work, night work. It'll be a couple weeks before he can get out of bed proper, but you'd be amazed what can be done in 90 days.

[thinktank]

I watched PHI vs DET game because of Bobbi Klintman, and I knew it will be ugly because PHI play zone defense in SL. But guys, your comments are more than funny

Relax, it is just a Summer league game with bad refereeing and opponents playing zone against inexperienced rookies.

That is fair. Now please explain (in words or pictures,) what their playing zone had to do with our missing so many uncontested layups (some of them by airball, looking at you Leonard .)

Winforlose, you’d have loved Kris Dunn and Johnny Flynn based on SL.

You need to chill out in a major, major way.

[Neeva]

Other than the two years Lillard and Wall won summer league mvps, being really amazing in sl kind of means you are destined to be a role player in the league. Davion Mitchell and Cam Thomas looked amazing in sl and won mvp as well. Thomas does score some.

[thinktank]

Other than the two years Lillard and Wall won summer league mvps, being really amazing in sl kind of means you are destined to be a role player in the league. Davion Mitchell and Cam Thomas looked amazing in sl and won mvp as well. Thomas does score some.

Yes. And many players who are reall, really good in the NBA looked AWFUL in summer league.

If you’re watching SL and you can’t pick out some of the players that are yearning for higher IQ basketball, then you’re not fully grasping SL for what it is.

[BlacJacMac]

Our SL team is a copy from main: both struggle against zone and aggressive ball defense because of lack of movement shooters. I wonder if LeDee could help here because I've seen him shooting mid range jumpers from elbow. But he looks kind of lost in SL.

LeDee does not look like an NBA player at all.

[minimus]

Our SL team is a copy from main: both struggle against zone and aggressive ball defense because of lack of movement shooters. I wonder if LeDee could help here because I've seen him shooting mid range jumpers from elbow. But he looks kind of lost in SL.

LeDee does not look like an NBA player at all.

I think that playing with shoot happy guard Hify also contributed here

[Klomp]

Read on Twitter

[jpatrick]

Read on Twitter

He was fun for a game. But he is neither an NBA player nor a point guard.

[minimus]

Read on Twitter

He was fun for a game. But he is neither an NBA player nor a point guard.

Nevertheless, I salute his ability to hit difficult shots

[winforlose]

I watched PHI vs DET game because of Bobbi Klintman, and I knew it will be ugly because PHI play zone defense in SL. But guys, your comments are more than funny

Relax, it is just a Summer league game with bad refereeing and opponents playing zone against inexperienced rookies.

That is fair. Now please explain (in words or pictures,) what their playing zone had to do with our missing so many uncontested layups (some of them by airball, looking at you Leonard .)

Winforlose, you’d have loved Kris Dunn and Johnny Flynn based on SL.

You need to chill out in a major, major way.

Fair enough. I will trust you guys that Miller air balling two layups, and RD missing 3 point blank uncontested layups is a sign of NBA potential.

[thinktank]

That is fair. Now please explain (in words or pictures,) what their playing zone had to do with our missing so many uncontested layups (some of them by airball, looking at you Leonard .)

Winforlose, you’d have loved Kris Dunn and Johnny Flynn based on SL.

You need to chill out in a major, major way.

Fair enough. I will trust you guys that Miller air balling two layups, and RD missing 3 point blank uncontested layups is a sign of NBA potential.

I see your problem now:

If you think RD missed three uncontested layups, then your sense of perception is absolutely managed.

Or show me these three uncontested layups and prove me wrong.

[winforlose]

Winforlose, you’d have loved Kris Dunn and Johnny Flynn based on SL.

You need to chill out in a major, major way.

Fair enough. I will trust you guys that Miller air balling two layups, and RD missing 3 point blank uncontested layups is a sign of NBA potential.

I see your problem now:

If you think RD missed three uncontested layups, then your sense of perception is absolutely managed.

Or show me these three uncontested layups and prove me wrong.

You want me to pick through the time codes of a game that went two and a half hours to show you that 3 of the missed 7 shots were uncontested? Does anyone have a shot map resource for Summer League? I can tell you off the top of my head one was a putback at the rim RD was in the air with no up there with him, he missed it badly. Another was off the dribble, he got to the rim past his defender and missed off the far side rim (backboard, rim, off.) The third I am drawing a blank on, but I remember thinking, damn we need someone to teach these kids how to do a layup. I am pretty sure the third was also off the dribble, but honestly I don’t remember it as clearly.

[minimus]

Just have watched the game

- one of Dilly long two was almost a pullup three. He also stepped twice out of the bound which were two of his 7 turnovers. Teammates ruined a few Rob excellent passes. Overall lack of communication bited both TSJ and Rob when they were committing turnovers because of miscommunication. And I liked his defense much more this time.

- I have noticed that TSJ got consistently reps as PoA defender and he definitely has elite potential here. I like Shannon passing as well

- Miller redeemed himself by showing great motor, 8 offensive rebounds, but he really needs to put effort, because the biggest my concern is that he just turns into invisible man with zero impact on defense and offense. Also on reddit someone posted Millers story when he grew up 5 inches in 18 month at age 18. It explains a bit his awkward moves

- Minott cant play SF: he cant shoot, cant dribble, cant finish in traffic, cant defend PoA

- Nix was physical, aggressive, and decisive as slasher. He had a few ill advised shots, but I think that my biggest complain is that Daishen could use his physical tools to help more fight for rebounds, rotate and act as roamer. I dont want him to jump more, I want him to be fight for better position and then use his body as advantage. See Kyle Lowry as example who was constantly at the top of the league in charges drawn

MIN tried to beat PHI zone by putting Nix at the nail, but it worked better when Miller was playing as offensive hub from the nail. Miller drained an open mid range shot from there. This is common practice to put a big there who can shoot and pass from elbow. I also like how vocal are Rob and Daishen

[thinktank]

Fair enough. I will trust you guys that Miller air balling two layups, and RD missing 3 point blank uncontested layups is a sign of NBA potential.

I see your problem now:

If you think RD missed three uncontested layups, then your sense of perception is absolutely managed.

Or show me these three uncontested layups and prove me wrong.

You want me to pick through the time codes of a game that went two and a half hours to show you that 3 of the missed 7 shots were uncontested? Does anyone have a shot map resource for Summer League? I can tell you off the top of my head one was a putback at the rim RD was in the air with no up there with him, he missed it badly. Another was off the dribble, he got to the rim past his defender and missed off the far side rim (backboard, rim, off.) The third I am drawing a blank on, but I remember thinking, damn we need someone to teach these kids how to do a layup. I am pretty sure the third was also off the dribble, but honestly I don’t remember it as clearly.

He missed one layup he should’ve made, but they were all contested.

He missed zero 1 on 0, ie uncontested layups. Zero.

Your bias is clear.

[winforlose]

I see your problem now:

If you think RD missed three uncontested layups, then your sense of perception is absolutely managed.

Or show me these three uncontested layups and prove me wrong.

You want me to pick through the time codes of a game that went two and a half hours to show you that 3 of the missed 7 shots were uncontested? Does anyone have a shot map resource for Summer League? I can tell you off the top of my head one was a putback at the rim RD was in the air with no up there with him, he missed it badly. Another was off the dribble, he got to the rim past his defender and missed off the far side rim (backboard, rim, off.) The third I am drawing a blank on, but I remember thinking, damn we need someone to teach these kids how to do a layup. I am pretty sure the third was also off the dribble, but honestly I don’t remember it as clearly.

He missed one layup he should’ve made, but they were all contested.

He missed zero 1 on 0, ie uncontested layups. Zero.

Your bias is clear.

I figured it out. The game log on NBA.com records every possession/shot attempt/ect… I can now give you time codes. What I cannot give you (I apologize,) is a video to embed so you need the game DVRed like I have to actually watch it. Maybe espn on demand will have a replay, I don’t know. I hope you can find a way to watch so we can have an honest discussion instead of you continuing to insult me.

2nd quarter 8:25 Dilly goes in transition 2 on one, neither man jumps Dilly has a wide open layup and misses.

2nd quarter 1:38-1:35 after Dilly misses a floater he gets inside gets his own miss and is in the air with both hands on the ball and fails to put it back. NBA.com calls it a tip layup, but it wasn’t a tip as he had two hands on the ball and the ball under control.

1st quarter 4:04, this one is the least uncontested of the 3. Dilly is driving on the big and has space, but he goes a little early and the big jumps to try and block it. It is further out than a traditional layup, at 11 feet (according to NBA.com,) but in the video it looks a lot closer and functions like a layup. If I was to concede one of the three it would be this one.