Grant Trade?

[zzaj]

I dont think this is true. If Cronin would accept the Lakers deal, Jerami would probably be gone now.

I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with it...if Cronin accepted ANY of the bad deals that came his way for Grant, Grant would be gone now. But he didn't/hasn't (thankfully) so Grant is part of the Blazers still...

What motivation does Cronin have to trade Grant? There is no incumbent player at his position that is waiting for the position to become vacant. Grant shot 40% from 3 on the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. By all accounts he's a great lockerroom guy, and for those who value it a Vet for guidance...

Cronin has shown that he likes to send guys to winning situations, and I have to imagine he's going to get what he paid in trade. So if you narrow down teams that are on the cusp of the POs or better, with room under the new CBA to take on Grant's long-term money, and are also willing to give up a good 1st round pick? There just aren't a lot of teams where a trade will work or makes sense--TODAY.

However, once team GMs pivot away from draft/future and are eyeing PO runs as a reality, things will open up.

It's likely that right now, things are getting held up because teams want to see what happens with Lauri and Ingram. If a trade of Grant is going to happen, it'll likely be after those things fall into place.

You said the Blazers aren't likely to trade Grant this summer, I'm saying I think they will. If nothing else comes along, yes, I think Cronin takes the Lakers offer.

There is no two ways around it, the Blazers are paying way too much for a non-playoff team. There is no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins.

Grant, Simons, and Ayton are only taking time from young players and decreasing the Blazers chances at Cooper Flag or Acey.

If it were up to me, I would prioritize moving the vets in this order:

1) Simons
2) Grant
3) Ayton
4) Matisse

Ah, Gotcha...I think I wasn't understanding your post. I agree 100% about the cost of a non-PO team...

Jason Stern would probably take issue with "no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins". I don't, honestly...

Personally, I don't think having or not having Grant and Simons on the team is going to have much of an effect on attendance and overall revenue. And if the Blazers PR can't come up with a campaign that really pushes the "hope" of the young guys, then they don't deserve those jobs.

The Blazers NEED a top 5 pick in '25, and preferably a top 10 pick in '26...although it'd be very encouraging if the quartet of Scoot/Sharpe/Deni/Clingan +'25 1st play well enough to get the Blazers out of the Lotto in '26.

[Butter]

I'm not sure what your second sentence has to do with it...if Cronin accepted ANY of the bad deals that came his way for Grant, Grant would be gone now. But he didn't/hasn't (thankfully) so Grant is part of the Blazers still...

What motivation does Cronin have to trade Grant? There is no incumbent player at his position that is waiting for the position to become vacant. Grant shot 40% from 3 on the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. By all accounts he's a great lockerroom guy, and for those who value it a Vet for guidance...

Cronin has shown that he likes to send guys to winning situations, and I have to imagine he's going to get what he paid in trade. So if you narrow down teams that are on the cusp of the POs or better, with room under the new CBA to take on Grant's long-term money, and are also willing to give up a good 1st round pick? There just aren't a lot of teams where a trade will work or makes sense--TODAY.

However, once team GMs pivot away from draft/future and are eyeing PO runs as a reality, things will open up.

It's likely that right now, things are getting held up because teams want to see what happens with Lauri and Ingram. If a trade of Grant is going to happen, it'll likely be after those things fall into place.

You said the Blazers aren't likely to trade Grant this summer, I'm saying I think they will. If nothing else comes along, yes, I think Cronin takes the Lakers offer.

There is no two ways around it, the Blazers are paying way too much for a non-playoff team. There is no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins.

Grant, Simons, and Ayton are only taking time from young players and decreasing the Blazers chances at Cooper Flag or Acey.

If it were up to me, I would prioritize moving the vets in this order:

1) Simons
2) Grant
3) Ayton
4) Matisse

Ah, Gotcha...I think I wasn't understanding your post. I agree 100% about the cost of a non-PO team...

Jason Stern would probably take issue with "no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins". I don't, honestly...

Personally, I don't think having or not having Grant and Simons on the team is going to have much of an effect on attendance and overall revenue. And if the Blazers PR can't come up with a campaign that really pushes the "hope" of the young guys, then they don't deserve those jobs.

The Blazers NEED a top 5 pick in '25, and preferably a top 10 pick in '26...although it'd be very encouraging if the quartet of Scoot/Sharpe/Deni/Clingan +'25 1st play well enough to get the Blazers out of the Lotto in '26.

I agree with everything you posted. Personally, I'm kind of excited to take the training wheels off and see what these young guns can do.

[Norm2953]

You said the Blazers aren't likely to trade Grant this summer, I'm saying I think they will. If nothing else comes along, yes, I think Cronin takes the Lakers offer.

There is no two ways around it, the Blazers are paying way too much for a non-playoff team. There is no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins.

Grant, Simons, and Ayton are only taking time from young players and decreasing the Blazers chances at Cooper Flag or Acey.

If it were up to me, I would prioritize moving the vets in this order:

1) Simons
2) Grant
3) Ayton
4) Matisse

Ah, Gotcha...I think I wasn't understanding your post. I agree 100% about the cost of a non-PO team...

Jason Stern would probably take issue with "no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins". I don't, honestly...

Personally, I don't think having or not having Grant and Simons on the team is going to have much of an effect on attendance and overall revenue. And if the Blazers PR can't come up with a campaign that really pushes the "hope" of the young guys, then they don't deserve those jobs.

The Blazers NEED a top 5 pick in '25, and preferably a top 10 pick in '26...although it'd be very encouraging if the quartet of Scoot/Sharpe/Deni/Clingan +'25 1st play well enough to get the Blazers out of the Lotto in '26.

I agree with everything you posted. Personally, I'm kind of excited to take the training wheels off and see what these young guns can do.

It'd still take Shaedon and Scoot to make real progress on their games. Scoot would need to figure out where he
can score consistently on the court but perhaps the 280 pound Clingan's solid screens might help him get some
spots on the court where he can score.

Remember the 2025 draft after Flagg is mostly guard heavy

[Butter]

Ah, Gotcha...I think I wasn't understanding your post. I agree 100% about the cost of a non-PO team...

Jason Stern would probably take issue with "no value in eking out a few more wins for a team with no prospect for play-off wins". I don't, honestly...

Personally, I don't think having or not having Grant and Simons on the team is going to have much of an effect on attendance and overall revenue. And if the Blazers PR can't come up with a campaign that really pushes the "hope" of the young guys, then they don't deserve those jobs.

The Blazers NEED a top 5 pick in '25, and preferably a top 10 pick in '26...although it'd be very encouraging if the quartet of Scoot/Sharpe/Deni/Clingan +'25 1st play well enough to get the Blazers out of the Lotto in '26.

I agree with everything you posted. Personally, I'm kind of excited to take the training wheels off and see what these young guns can do.

It'd still take Shaedon and Scoot to make real progress on their games. Scoot would need to figure out where he
can score consistently on the court but perhaps the 280 pound Clingan's solid screens might help him get some
spots on the court where he can score.

Remember the 2025 draft after Flagg is mostly guard heavy

Well, Flagg and Acey, but I take your point. That's part of the reason I am fully supportive of tank mode. They need the widest possible margin for success.

[DC_Melo]

I agree with everything you posted. Personally, I'm kind of excited to take the training wheels off and see what these young guns can do.

It'd still take Shaedon and Scoot to make real progress on their games. Scoot would need to figure out where he
can score consistently on the court but perhaps the 280 pound Clingan's solid screens might help him get some
spots on the court where he can score.

Remember the 2025 draft after Flagg is mostly guard heavy

Well, Flagg and Acey, but I take your point. That's part of the reason I am fully supportive of tank mode. They need the widest possible margin for success.

If there is ever a season to go tanking, this is about as good as it gets since the 2003 draft. While the class has depth throughout, Cooper Flagg and Ace Bailey look like the surest things since Lebron and Melo… and like perfect fits in a starting line up with Scoot, Shae, Deni and Kling-Kong.

I’m really not a tanking fan, and always root for the Blazers to win. But I fully support Cronin going all in and trading all our vets, including Simons, for as much 2025 draft capital as possible. The upside for generational talent that matches our roster’s timeline and need is just too great.

[DusterBuster]

It'd still take Shaedon and Scoot to make real progress on their games. Scoot would need to figure out where he
can score consistently on the court but perhaps the 280 pound Clingan's solid screens might help him get some
spots on the court where he can score.

Remember the 2025 draft after Flagg is mostly guard heavy

Well, Flagg and Acey, but I take your point. That's part of the reason I am fully supportive of tank mode. They need the widest possible margin for success.

If there is ever a season to go tanking, this is about as good as it gets since the 2003 draft. While the class has depth throughout, Cooper Flagg and Ace Bailey look like the surest things since Lebron and Melo… and like perfect fits in a starting line up with Scoot, Shae, Deni and Kling-Kong.

I’m really not a tanking fan, and always root for the Blazers to win. But I fully support Cronin going all in and trading all our vets, including Simons, for as much 2025 draft capital as possible. The upside for generational talent that matches our roster’s timeline and need is just too great.

It annoys the hell out of me Simons, Grant and Thybulle are still on the roster. There's no reason for a single one of them to be on this team. At this point I don't even care about getting fair value for them, I just want them off the roster to make the team as bad as possible this year.

[Wizenheimer]

It annoys the hell out of me Simons, Grant and Thybulle are still on the roster. There's no reason for a single one of them to be on this team. At this point I don't even care about getting fair value for them, I just want them off the roster to make the team as bad as possible this year.

I'd add Ayton to that list, but yeah, I agree

after a decade of Olshey straddling every fence in sight and trying to drive down at least two different lanes at the same time, all the time, with all the lanes having an undersized no-defense SG, Cronin seems absolutely stuck in the same purgatory. Completely allergic to actually picking a lane and stepping on the gas

worse, is I believe Cronin is determined to at least try and make a run at the play-in to start the season. There would be no other explanation for him reportedly demanding two first round picks for Grant. That's purely ridiculous unless he wants to see how a bargain basement big-3 of Ant-Grant-Ayton do after adding Avdija

right now, this summer, is the absolute perfect time to set up an organic tank next season. Dump the vets and clear the floor for the young guys to sink or swim. Instead, I'm convinced the 2-year story of the Blazers will be to deliberately tank into the worst draft class in years last season followed by screwing around and landing a 12th or 13th pick in the best draft class in years, especially in the top-5 to top-7 picks

I am completely sick of absent, ambivalent ownership only concerned about cash flow on top of indecisive incompetent management. Hopefully Cronin proves me wrong but I don't believe he will

[Norm2953]

There has to be a reasonable demand for Simons, Grant, Thybulle and Ayton for Portland to move
them.

I can at least see the need for Ayton for Donovan is still a work in progress. This could change if
somehow TL is available this season.

Hopefully the market for Grant will materialize after teams tire of dealing with Danny Ainge's
demands for Lauri.

I don't know if there is a market for Simons or Thybulle. Thybulle is likely expiring for he'll opt
our on his contract for the 25-26 season. At least finally Simons and Ayton will be expiring next
summer

Looking ahead other than Flagg, most of the elite prospects project to guard or a swing role
at the next level. Even Flagg doesn't project to be a generational talent ala Lebron/Victor but
if he's closer to Anthony Davis, he'll be fine. Best part about 2025 is that there are 5 elite prospects
in the draft. Portland doesn't have to get the first pick to add one of these guys.

In some respects, the 2026 draft might be better for a team like Portland with Dybantsa and
Boozer who projects to be a classic PF in the pros assuming he really is 6-9

[BlazersBroncos]

I am pretty shocked we are not hearing more about LAL pushing for Grant.

They have literally made no moves this summer. They lose Prince, one of their better role players. They are relying on running it back with a team that is just not that talented outside an aging LBJ, injury prone AD and Reaves. I cant believe they are straddling the fence. Not even sure what the reason for keeping LBJ around is assuming they stand pat this offseason.

We have alot to complain about but I would be livid as a LAL fan. They wont move future picks because they know they will suck soon, but they also are unwilling to move off LBJ / AD because they want the seats full. They are not even a pretender at this point. I wouldnt be surprised if SAS ends up with a better record than them.

[The Sebastian Express]

I am pretty shocked we are not hearing more about LAL pushing for Grant.

They have literally made no moves this summer. They lose Prince, one of their better role players. They are relying on running it back with a team that is just not that talented outside an aging LBJ, injury prone AD and Reaves. I cant believe they are straddling the fence. Not even sure what the reason for keeping LBJ around is assuming they stand pat this offseason.

We have alot to complain about but I would be livid as a LAL fan. They wont move future picks because they know they will suck soon, but they also are unwilling to move off LBJ / AD because they want the seats full. They are not even a pretender at this point. I wouldnt be surprised if SAS ends up with a better record than them.

I believe the prevailing theory according to my friend who's a Lakers fan is that LBJ brings a great deal of merchandise and other revenue for the Lakers.

But I will agree the current behavior is puzzling unless they're able to line up a better deal in the season. But I think that runs the risk of pushing Bron too hard just to stay middling to try to stay in the race.

[Norm2953]

Perhaps they are waiting for the man in charge to return from the Olympics

[Walton1one]

POR paid a 1st for Grant, anything more than that is a win IMO

Either Cronin is asking for too much/being unreasonable about compensation for Grant or LAL are refusing to even trade one 1st for him, which is possible, as dumb as that seems, because the more news/rumors that come out about LAL, indicate that the players they are dangling in trade (Dlo, Vincent, Rui, Vanderbilt) have little to no value, and they cannot strike a deal with Brooklyn, WAS or ORL either, which tells me teams don’t value the players LAL are offering to trade back in deals, which LAL mind numbingly think is enough.

Pelinka is a certified idiot if that is the case, and he is worse than that if he thinks fans/Buss family are going to embrace a full rebuild after Lebron/AD leave. How can you be a GM of LAL and not know that?

I am surprised that a team like SAC hasn’t traded for Grant, they are looking for a 4/5 and POR has exactly that to offer

Grant & Reath for Huerter, Lyles and a 1st, maybe a few 2nds or a future pick swap as part of the deal, seems too logical not to have happened already

[BlazersBroncos]

POR paid a 1st for Grant, anything more than that is a win IMO

Either Cronin is asking for too much/being unreasonable about compensation for Grant or LAL are refusing to even trade one 1st for him, which is possible, as dumb as that seems, because the more news/rumors that come out about LAL, indicate that the players they are dangling in trade (Dlo, Vincent, Rui, Vanderbilt) have little to no value, and they cannot strike a deal with Brooklyn, WAS or ORL either, which tells me teams don’t value the players LAL are offering to trade back in deals, which LAL mind numbingly think is enough.

Pelinka is a certified idiot if that is the case, and he is worse than that if he thinks fans/Buss family are going to embrace a full rebuild after Lebron/AD leave. How can you be a GM of LAL and not know that?

I am surprised that a team like SAC hasn’t traded for Grant, they are looking for a 4/5 and POR has exactly that to offer

Grant & Reath for Huerter, Lyles and a 1st, maybe a few 2nds or a future pick swap as part of the deal, seems too logical not to have happened already

Grant to SAC died when they got DDR.

You cant play Grant, DDR or Keegan at SG.

[Walton1one]

I think what I read on their forum was that Keegan would be first off the bench, rotating with DDR and Grant

[Butter]

Well, Flagg and Acey, but I take your point. That's part of the reason I am fully supportive of tank mode. They need the widest possible margin for success.

If there is ever a season to go tanking, this is about as good as it gets since the 2003 draft. While the class has depth throughout, Cooper Flagg and Ace Bailey look like the surest things since Lebron and Melo… and like perfect fits in a starting line up with Scoot, Shae, Deni and Kling-Kong.

I’m really not a tanking fan, and always root for the Blazers to win. But I fully support Cronin going all in and trading all our vets, including Simons, for as much 2025 draft capital as possible. The upside for generational talent that matches our roster’s timeline and need is just too great.

It annoys the hell out of me Simons, Grant and Thybulle are still on the roster. There's no reason for a single one of them to be on this team. At this point I don't even care about getting fair value for them, I just want them off the roster to make the team as bad as possible this year.

I am 100% all in on trading Simons, but I've shifted the type of team I think would target him. I WAS looking at the obvious (Orlando) but if they wanted him I think it would he done.

Maybe the better option is super sub 6th man off the bench for a legit contender ala. Vinny the Microwave Johnson.

The down side is that probably takes an injury or worst case, a trade deadline deal...impacting the Capture the Flagg campaign.

[Butter]

It annoys the hell out of me Simons, Grant and Thybulle are still on the roster. There's no reason for a single one of them to be on this team. At this point I don't even care about getting fair value for them, I just want them off the roster to make the team as bad as possible this year.

I'd add Ayton to that list, but yeah, I agree

after a decade of Olshey straddling every fence in sight and trying to drive down at least two different lanes at the same time, all the time, with all the lanes having an undersized no-defense SG, Cronin seems absolutely stuck in the same purgatory. Completely allergic to actually picking a lane and stepping on the gas

worse, is I believe Cronin is determined to at least try and make a run at the play-in to start the season. There would be no other explanation for him reportedly demanding two first round picks for Grant. That's purely ridiculous unless he wants to see how a bargain basement big-3 of Ant-Grant-Ayton do after adding Avdija

right now, this summer, is the absolute perfect time to set up an organic tank next season. Dump the vets and clear the floor for the young guys to sink or swim. Instead, I'm convinced the 2-year story of the Blazers will be to deliberately tank into the worst draft class in years last season followed by screwing around and landing a 12th or 13th pick in the best draft class in years, especially in the top-5 to top-7 picks

I am completely sick of absent, ambivalent ownership only concerned about cash flow on top of indecisive incompetent management. Hopefully Cronin proves me wrong but I don't believe he will

I would pay big money to watch a Wiz vs Olshey cage match. pay per view level

[Wizenheimer]

It annoys the hell out of me Simons, Grant and Thybulle are still on the roster. There's no reason for a single one of them to be on this team. At this point I don't even care about getting fair value for them, I just want them off the roster to make the team as bad as possible this year.

I'd add Ayton to that list, but yeah, I agree

after a decade of Olshey straddling every fence in sight and trying to drive down at least two different lanes at the same time, all the time, with all the lanes having an undersized no-defense SG, Cronin seems absolutely stuck in the same purgatory. Completely allergic to actually picking a lane and stepping on the gas

worse, is I believe Cronin is determined to at least try and make a run at the play-in to start the season. There would be no other explanation for him reportedly demanding two first round picks for Grant. That's purely ridiculous unless he wants to see how a bargain basement big-3 of Ant-Grant-Ayton do after adding Avdija

right now, this summer, is the absolute perfect time to set up an organic tank next season. Dump the vets and clear the floor for the young guys to sink or swim. Instead, I'm convinced the 2-year story of the Blazers will be to deliberately tank into the worst draft class in years last season followed by screwing around and landing a 12th or 13th pick in the best draft class in years, especially in the top-5 to top-7 picks

I am completely sick of absent, ambivalent ownership only concerned about cash flow on top of indecisive incompetent management. Hopefully Cronin proves me wrong but I don't believe he will

I would pay big money to watch a Wiz vs Olshey cage match. pay per view level

would have to have valet parking before Neil showed up

[Butter]

I'd add Ayton to that list, but yeah, I agree

after a decade of Olshey straddling every fence in sight and trying to drive down at least two different lanes at the same time, all the time, with all the lanes having an undersized no-defense SG, Cronin seems absolutely stuck in the same purgatory. Completely allergic to actually picking a lane and stepping on the gas

worse, is I believe Cronin is determined to at least try and make a run at the play-in to start the season. There would be no other explanation for him reportedly demanding two first round picks for Grant. That's purely ridiculous unless he wants to see how a bargain basement big-3 of Ant-Grant-Ayton do after adding Avdija

right now, this summer, is the absolute perfect time to set up an organic tank next season. Dump the vets and clear the floor for the young guys to sink or swim. Instead, I'm convinced the 2-year story of the Blazers will be to deliberately tank into the worst draft class in years last season followed by screwing around and landing a 12th or 13th pick in the best draft class in years, especially in the top-5 to top-7 picks

I am completely sick of absent, ambivalent ownership only concerned about cash flow on top of indecisive incompetent management. Hopefully Cronin proves me wrong but I don't believe he will

I would pay big money to watch a Wiz vs Olshey cage match. pay per view level

would have to have valet parking before Neil showed up

[Pattycakes]

Teams lowballing hoping to find us getting desperate will be surprised when they realize we actually don’t mind keeping him if necessary due to crap trade partners lol. Let the deal marinate. Some fake contender will get desperate

[Blazers20]

Would Miami trade Ware-Jovic-Robinson for Grant-Reath-Walker straight up? Would Portland have to add to make this trade work?

Could,Ware be the starting 4 alongside Ayton and Jovic the backup?

Scoot-Sharpe-Deni-Ware-Ayton starting five