2024 Summer League

[Blonde]

Dunn’s lack of rebounding has been my biggest concern in SL. We all know he can’t shoot so no surprises there, but I had some hope he might be able to gobble up some boards.

[lilfishi22]

Dunn’s lack of rebounding has been my biggest concern in SL. We all know he can’t shoot so no surprises there, but I had some hope he might be able to gobble up some boards.

It is a bit underwhelming considering he wasn't exactly playing with some elite rebounder either. Oso definitely came in with some concerns about his rebounding at the college level so he wasn't taking all the rebounds from him or anything. Then you have 6-4 or 6-5 David Roddy gobbling up 8 rebounds a game. Kinda assumed he'd be grabbing 5-6 boards a game at this level with his activity level

[Saberestar]

Roddy's played 2 solid games after a frustrating first showing. Big free throws to close that game out.

Absolutely, Roddy played a great game in this one.

He isn't an initiator or facilitator, he was trying to make plays for himself or others in the first game and THAT'S NOT HIS GAME.

In the last two games he has impressed me with his ability and strength to finish at the rim. Some monster dunks for a 6'5 player. And his clutch 3p shots and FTs were huge in the W.

Dunn played slightly better than in the last game. He FINALLY made a 3p shot, he is 1/10 now.

He showed again that he is a great defender. He contains dribble penetration multiple times per game, he can really stay in front of his man easily and puts his hands on the ball without fouling. 1 steal and 3 blocks on this one.

Offensively he is worse than what I was hoping and expecting...his passing/ball handling is too limited for a perimeter player and his shooting isn't going down. We will see in the next one.

[KdoubleDees23]

Dunn is horrible. Not sure why we are acting like these rookies are going to impact anything.

We need to develop them, get them a shooting coach, and reps in G League.

[garrick]

Roddy's played 2 solid games after a frustrating first showing. Big free throws to close that game out.

Absolutely, Roddy played a great game in this one.

He isn't an initiator or facilitator, he was trying to make plays for himself or others in the first game and THAT'S NOT HIS GAME.

In the last two games he has impressed me with his ability and strength to finish at the rim. Some monster dunks for a 6'5 player. And his clutch 3p shots and FTs were huge in the W.

Dunn played slightly better than in the last game. He FINALLY made a 3p shot, he is 1/10 now.

He showed again that he is a great defender. He contains dribble penetration multiple times per game, he can really stay in front of his man easily and puts his hands on the ball without fouling. 1 steal and 3 blocks on this one.

Offensively he is worse than what I was hoping and expecting...his passing/ball handling is too limited for a perimeter player and his shooting isn't going down. We will see in the next one.

Send him to the G League and tell him all he needs to do is focus on his shooting and scoring.

He's too 1 dimensional to contribute at all and it's really too much to expect him to improve his shooting right away. Kind of a wasted pick because of his scoring limitations if you ask me.

[sunsbg]

Send him to the G League and tell him all he needs to do is focus on his shooting and scoring.

He's too 1 dimensional to contribute at all and it's really too much to expect him to improve his shooting right away. Kind of a wasted pick because of his scoring limitations if you ask me.

Yeah shooting-wise he's been even worse in SL than in college with 10% on 3s and 0% on FTs. Really small sample size, but people who thought Dunn may get 20mpg as a rookie need to revisit their expectations. 20mpg in g league maybe.

[darealjuice]

Roddy's played 2 solid games after a frustrating first showing. Big free throws to close that game out.

Absolutely, Roddy played a great game in this one.

He isn't an initiator or facilitator, he was trying to make plays for himself or others in the first game and THAT'S NOT HIS GAME.

In the last two games he has impressed me with his ability and strength to finish at the rim. Some monster dunks for a 6'5 player. And his clutch 3p shots and FTs were huge in the W.

Dunn played slightly better than in the last game. He FINALLY made a 3p shot, he is 1/10 now.

He showed again that he is a great defender. He contains dribble penetration multiple times per game, he can really stay in front of his man easily and puts his hands on the ball without fouling. 1 steal and 3 blocks on this one.

Offensively he is worse than what I was hoping and expecting...his passing/ball handling is too limited for a perimeter player and his shooting isn't going down. We will see in the next one.

I agree. Summer League is the time to experiment and do more than you'd typically be asked though. He'll never be initiating or facilitating with the main team, but he does need to do more than stand in the corner and shoot to get on the floor. The more reps the better, it's not like there's much interest in anyone outside of him and the rookies anyways.

If there's a positive with Dunn, it's that he doesn't look completely clueless playing basketball like a lot raw prospects do. He just needs a TON of polish on offense. His shooting form doesn't look completely broken though. He's actually handled the ball and passed better than I expected, but I expected him to look like a newborn deer/Ayton with the ball so that might not be saying much.

[King4Day]

Not saying any of our guys will be Brunson but damn, everyone comes to conclusions for meaningless games.
Remember when Kevin Knox had a great Summer League and became a bust?

The young players are asked to try to do certain things so coaching can put a plan together to develop the players in the offseason and going forward.
Do we really think Roddy will be a playmaker? No. But they will test that to see if anything is there


I rarely come here anymore due to the amount of negativity we see. If this team falters to begin the season, this place is going to be a complete cesspool (worse than last season).

https://dailyknicks.com/posts/knicks-star-jalen-brunson-proof-poor-summer-league-doesnt-define-career

[Saberestar]

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So we play an early game on Friday and the last game on Saturday.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I rarely come here anymore due to the amount of negativity we see. If this team falters to begin the season, this place is going to be a complete cesspool (worse than last season).

This forum isn't negative. The facts about this team are. Meanwhile, the "Yay! Our owner spends money!" sentiment dominates suns reddit.

Speaking of negativity, I just came here to say that I'm at 100% that Oso Ighadoro is not an NBA player. He can't board. We already knew he couldn't score. If you're a non-scoring center who isn't game-changing in other respects, you simply have to be able to pound the glass. There's still a chance with Dunn due to his phsyical tools, and Roddy looks like he might survive as a third-stringer, but I've made up my mind on Oso. Book it!

[King4Day]

I rarely come here anymore due to the amount of negativity we see. If this team falters to begin the season, this place is going to be a complete cesspool (worse than last season).

This forum isn't negative. The facts about this team are. Meanwhile, the "Yay! Our owner spends money!" sentiment dominates suns reddit.

Speaking of negativity, I just came here to say that I'm at 100% that Oso Ighadoro is not an NBA player. He can't board. We already knew he couldn't score. If you're a non-scoring center who isn't game-changing in other respects, you simply have to be able to pound the glass. There's still a chance with Dunn due to his phsyical tools, and Roddy looks like he might survive as a third-stringer, but I've made up my mind on Oso. Book it!

My point is this.

I wanted Roddy cut in order to sign one of the remaining players who likely will offer more to us.
After his first 2 SL games, he looked really bad. He looked better last game but that doesn't change my mind. He's been in the league long enough to know he's not going to make a dent for this team long term.
Last night doesn't change that. Maybe a team sees it and gets excited and you can convince them to take his contract/rights free of charge, but it's not likely.

Guys like Dunn and Oso are late first, and mid-second round picks. They aren't supposed to be ready to contribute at a high level right now.
Perhaps Kolek was the right pick but nobody knows/knew. He was passed over 30+ times.

Oso and Dunn probably will need to see the GLeague much of the season but we can't be shocked they don't look NBA ready just 3 games into summer league.
If I'm the Wizards, and I see Sarr throwing up a goose egg in a SL game, I'm upset and maybe a little concerned. But I'm not throwing in the towel already.

The negativity I'm referring to is how fast people give up on players when they've yet to play an NBA game. It's easy to find the negative in things instead of the positives.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I rarely come here anymore due to the amount of negativity we see. If this team falters to begin the season, this place is going to be a complete cesspool (worse than last season).

This forum isn't negative. The facts about this team are. Meanwhile, the "Yay! Our owner spends money!" sentiment dominates suns reddit.

Speaking of negativity, I just came here to say that I'm at 100% that Oso Ighadoro is not an NBA player. He can't board. We already knew he couldn't score. If you're a non-scoring center who isn't game-changing in other respects, you simply have to be able to pound the glass. There's still a chance with Dunn due to his phsyical tools, and Roddy looks like he might survive as a third-stringer, but I've made up my mind on Oso. Book it!

My point is this.

I wanted Roddy cut in order to sign one of the remaining players who likely will offer more to us.
After his first 2 SL games, he looked really bad. He looked better last game but that doesn't change my mind. He's been in the league long enough to know he's not going to make a dent for this team long term.
Last night doesn't change that. Maybe a team sees it and gets excited and you can convince them to take his contract/rights free of charge, butGuys like Dunn and Oso are late first, and mid-second round picks. They aren't supposed to be ready to contribute at a high level right now. it's not likely.

Guys like Dunn and Oso are late first, and mid-second round picks. They aren't supposed to be ready to contribute at a high level right now.
Perhaps Kolek was the right pick but nobody knows/knew. He was passed over 30+ times.

Oso and Dunn probably will need to see the GLeague much of the season but we can't be shocked they don't look NBA ready just 3 games into summer league.
If I'm the Wizards, and I see Sarr throwing up a goose egg in a SL game, I'm upset and maybe a little concerned. But I'm not throwing in the towel already.

The negativity I'm referring to is how fast people give up on players when they've yet to play an NBA game. It's easy to find the negative in things instead of the positives.

Honestly man!
How dare you bring common sense, logic and objectivity to this discussion. This discussion is for snap judgments and neurotic emotional responses over any objective reflection as to corresponding values for what these prospects may bring to our roster IN TIME!!!

Maybe you didn't get the same memo as everyone else here criticizing our inexperienced rookies? But we're clearly title contenders and as such ( ISHIBIA POINTED THIS OUT TOO)!! with 29 other teams coveting our situation!! We have no time for player development. We need high level impact players ready to carry us to a championship in high pressure postseason siting right now. Even if they don't have any NBA experience yet!

These prospects have to be ready from the jump, otherwise they clearly offer no value to us. Bashing them relentlessly is clearly the most logical and reasonable response.

[darealjuice]

I'd be surprised if Roddy is going anywhere. He's 2 years removed from being a (late) first round pick, we traded a first round pick swap for him less than a year ago, we have no young talent, and his salary is too low to bring anything of value back in a trade.

[Saberestar]

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[lilfishi22]

Send him to the G League and tell him all he needs to do is focus on his shooting and scoring.

He's too 1 dimensional to contribute at all and it's really too much to expect him to improve his shooting right away. Kind of a wasted pick because of his scoring limitations if you ask me.

Yeah shooting-wise he's been even worse in SL than in college with 10% on 3s and 0% on FTs. Really small sample size, but people who thought Dunn may get 20mpg as a rookie need to revisit their expectations. 20mpg in g league maybe.

Some people expect him to start by Xmas

[lilfishi22]

Roddy's played 2 solid games after a frustrating first showing. Big free throws to close that game out.

Absolutely, Roddy played a great game in this one.

He isn't an initiator or facilitator, he was trying to make plays for himself or others in the first game and THAT'S NOT HIS GAME.

In the last two games he has impressed me with his ability and strength to finish at the rim. Some monster dunks for a 6'5 player. And his clutch 3p shots and FTs were huge in the W.

Dunn played slightly better than in the last game. He FINALLY made a 3p shot, he is 1/10 now.

He showed again that he is a great defender. He contains dribble penetration multiple times per game, he can really stay in front of his man easily and puts his hands on the ball without fouling. 1 steal and 3 blocks on this one.

Offensively he is worse than what I was hoping and expecting...his passing/ball handling is too limited for a perimeter player and his shooting isn't going down. We will see in the next one.

I think he's everything you want from a defensive standpoint (maybe minus the low rebounding rate) and he's met expectations on that end. He looks and plays exactly how you want a long and defensively focused wing to play on that end. Problem is how long can you run a guy out there in actual NBA games to contain dribble penetration and maybe catch some interceptions while being not being seen as an offensive threat at all.

Like when I think about specialist who are almost "break glass in case of emergency" types that come in to do one or two things to disrupt the other team's rhythm, they generally don't play big minutes and or aren't regular part of the rotation. That's what Udoka was last season. Nurk needs his breaks and Eubanks is getting shredded so you throw in Udoka just to see if he can do something. You could even argue we used Bol like that as well especially in the first half of the season. Just bring in a guy to change things up to see if they can be a disruptor. Dunn will have to beat out Okogie, who I expect will be ahead of him in the rotation, who in turns needs to beat out Royce for more wing minutes who is backing up one of the starters already (assuming he's not starting) and Dunn will also be battling with Little and Roddy who I expect both will get early season minutes/opportunities.

[lilfishi22]

Not saying any of our guys will be Brunson but damn, everyone comes to conclusions for meaningless games.
Remember when Kevin Knox had a great Summer League and became a bust?

The young players are asked to try to do certain things so coaching can put a plan together to develop the players in the offseason and going forward.
Do we really think Roddy will be a playmaker? No. But they will test that to see if anything is there


I rarely come here anymore due to the amount of negativity we see. If this team falters to begin the season, this place is going to be a complete cesspool (worse than last season).

https://dailyknicks.com/posts/knicks-star-jalen-brunson-proof-poor-summer-league-doesnt-define-career

I think it's too much to lean one way or another based on a few SL games but the SL is also a natural and logical next step in a young NBA player's progression. You have college to prove yourself, then SL, then training camp, then preseason and then actual NBA games (or GL). If you stumble at any of those steps, you risk falling behind and each opportunity becomes harder to earn.

[bwgood77]

Man, I've had a lot of **** going on at work and otherwise, so I haven't been able to watch anything outside of like 10 minutes of the first game (and I was bored out of my skull)....but reading the last few pages is depressing. It's not that people are really negative...and I didn't expect these guys to break the rotation, but man reading Kolek with 14 ast and 0 turnovers and knowing we need a PG (it's great we got Monty but for now it's 1 year and we didn't know we'd get him during the draft).

I don't think Kolek will be awesome or would have made a huge difference, but I think he will be a solid PG who can control the floor, make others better, has a high IQ and will be able to shoot, even if he hasn't yet. Plus....even with that 4 guard rotation puddles listed, we know we will have injuries here and there as well.

[KdoubleDees23]

Man, I've had a lot of **** going on at work and otherwise, so I haven't been able to watch anything outside of like 10 minutes of the first game (and I was bored out of my skull)....but reading the last few pages is depressing. It's not that people are really negative...and I didn't expect these guys to break the rotation, but man reading Kolek with 14 ast and 0 turnovers and knowing we need a PG (it's great we got Monty but for now it's 1 year and we didn't know we'd get him during the draft).

I don't think Kolek will be awesome or would have made a huge difference, but I think he will be a solid PG who can control the floor, make others better, has a high IQ and will be able to shoot, even if he hasn't yet. Plus....even with that 4 guard rotation puddles listed, we know we will have injuries here and there as well.

Kolek is older, smarter than all of summer league. He is undersized, and wont mount to anything in the league. He is a 2nd , 3rd back up PG for his career. If we go after a PG we need to get Tyus Jones. He will get us to the next level.

[Iceman36]

Man, I've had a lot of **** going on at work and otherwise, so I haven't been able to watch anything outside of like 10 minutes of the first game (and I was bored out of my skull)....but reading the last few pages is depressing. It's not that people are really negative...and I didn't expect these guys to break the rotation, but man reading Kolek with 14 ast and 0 turnovers and knowing we need a PG (it's great we got Monty but for now it's 1 year and we didn't know we'd get him during the draft).

I don't think Kolek will be awesome or would have made a huge difference, but I think he will be a solid PG who can control the floor, make others better, has a high IQ and will be able to shoot, even if he hasn't yet. Plus....even with that 4 guard rotation puddles listed, we know we will have injuries here and there as well.

Kolek is older, smarter than all of summer league. He is undersized, and wont mount to anything in the league. He is a 2nd , 3rd back up PG for his career. If we go after a PG we need to get Tyus Jones. He will get us to the next level.

Tyus Jones is not possible to get for us, if I remember right?