Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas

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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#21 » by lordjeff05 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:35 pm

I can't see the Pels moving 2 picks in the initial scenario. I'd trade CJ for Collins or CJ and Hawk for Collins and Kessler. I think Kessler for Hawk makes sense.
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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#22 » by SkyHook » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:16 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)


This revision is far less appealing than the OP. Since Utah only owns the best of CLE, MIN, and its own top-8 protected 2026 FRP and with this move I expect them to be awful in both 24-25 & 25-26, an additional 2026 swap with Dallas has virtually zero value.

And the 25 swap as value? If anything, this year DAL is guaranteed to have Kyrie, next year he's a FA...
This package replaces NOP 25 1st with DAL 25 1st, and adds a swap, doesn't sound like "far less appealing"...


I read the OP as a swap with Dallas for the worst of the three picks that Utah owns in 2026. That swap has a significantly greater chance of being utilized than an additional one in 2026. I expect the NOP 2025 FRP to be mid round vs the Dallas one in the late 20s.
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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#23 » by SkyHook » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:19 pm

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For Utah the value seems fine, but I see more opportunity for George as decidedly negative.


Yeah, I’m not sure. I mean either the team wants to tank and George plays as many minutes as CJ.. Or the team doesn’t want to tank and they trade for a starting guard to pair with CJ and George is the third guard and that’s a better situation.

But I think they’ll be tanking so would expect George to have more usage than CJM this season. Maybe next season they trade for talent and are happy with CJM for a year.


Don't get me wrong, more playing time for George improves the tank. In my review of last season, I found that nothing correlated more with a reduction in Jazz wins than an increase in Keyonte's minutes. Good for losing this season, but not necessarily for long term team development.
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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#24 » by jayjaysee » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:28 pm

SkyHook wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
This revision is far less appealing than the OP. Since Utah only owns the best of CLE, MIN, and its own top-8 protected 2026 FRP and with this move I expect them to be awful in both 24-25 & 25-26, an additional 2026 swap with Dallas has virtually zero value.

And the 25 swap as value? If anything, this year DAL is guaranteed to have Kyrie, next year he's a FA...
This package replaces NOP 25 1st with DAL 25 1st, and adds a swap, doesn't sound like "far less appealing"...


I read the OP as a swap with Dallas for the worst of the three picks that Utah owns in 2026. That swap has a significantly greater chance of being utilized than an additional one in 2026. I expect the NOP 2025 FRP to be mid round vs the Dallas one in the late 20s.


Yeah, the chances of Dallas being worse than any of Minnesota, NOP, and Cleveland in 2025 is much much higher than Dallas being worse than all of Minn/Cleve/Utah in 2026.
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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#25 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:38 pm

SkyHook wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
This revision is far less appealing than the OP. Since Utah only owns the best of CLE, MIN, and its own top-8 protected 2026 FRP and with this move I expect them to be awful in both 24-25 & 25-26, an additional 2026 swap with Dallas has virtually zero value.

And the 25 swap as value? If anything, this year DAL is guaranteed to have Kyrie, next year he's a FA...
This package replaces NOP 25 1st with DAL 25 1st, and adds a swap, doesn't sound like "far less appealing"...


I read the OP as a swap with Dallas for the worst of the three picks that Utah owns in 2026. That swap has a significantly greater chance of being utilized than an additional one in 2026. I expect the NOP 2025 FRP to be mid round vs the Dallas one in the late 20s.

I'd say you can't expect DAL25 1st to be late 20s and assign higher value to 25 swap than 26, but sure whatever.
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Re: Eh time. CJM to Utah, Clarkson to Dallas 

Post#26 » by babyjax13 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:53 pm

lordjeff05 wrote:I can't see the Pels moving 2 picks in the initial scenario. I'd trade CJ for Collins or CJ and Hawk for Collins and Kessler. I think Kessler for Hawk makes sense.

It might make sense for New Orleans, but another guard is the last thing Utah needs. We are, however, thin at center without Kessler.
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