Welcome to Boston, Baylor Scheierman!

[Smart2Nesmith43]

A little odd that he reported last week that Joe just told him to shoot 3s, defend and rebound, when his most elite skill appears to be his passing. That he's also such a good shooter and rebounder makes him a triple double threat, should he get enough playing time.

Our poor man's Luka, of course, also needs some work on his D.

After seeing him in only one game, I can see why Joe would say that. The passing comes to Scheierman the flow of the game. Its not something you need to TELL him to do. And you can see how it'd getter better with increasingly NBA-like spacing.

Whereas you need to hammer in the defending and rebounding habit-forming.

Also, the interview clip I saw where Scheierman said that Joe told him this, the way Scheierman implied that he saw Joe super quick in the locker room, like in passing..and was moreso probably just saying hi and welcome to the team kind of thing and so wasn't a long sit down conversation about his role, his goals or anything like that.

Joe also probably didn't want to say too much basketball related X and O stuff right before SL started to Scheierman because Joe doesn't want to step on DJ Macleay's toes..DJ is the SL coach..and this is Joe's time to relax and go on a vacation and stuff..Joe will have plenty of time once we get closer to training camp to meet with Scheierman and talk with him in more detail about what he wants him to focus on..

Pretty sure Joe isn't doing any of that

[Red2]

I felt good about this pick on draft night but after 3 summer league games I’m concerned that he’s too slow to guard nba players

[Red2]

And he was supposed to be a great shooter which he might be but he hasn’t shown that yet

[24istheLAW]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

[Gant]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

[darrendaye]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

The primary issue I had with Scheierman's games 2 and 3 is he wasn't trying to get into the paint. IMO he seems to be a guy who shoots from distance better when he's knocked down a couple shots closer to the rim. I see his form as a bit "push-y." His ability to finish with either hand near the rim is really good and, of course, he does damage as a passer. Not sure why he just kept firing instead of changing the program a bit.

I do think he should spend a good deal of time in Maine. And if he does, IMO, he needs to be able to continue as a high usage ball-handler and this is where I have a bit of a concern with continuing on with JD Davison (or any ball dominant PG/SG).

[phincsfan]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

The primary issue I had with Scheierman's games 2 and 3 is he wasn't trying to get into the paint. IMO he seems to be a guy who shoots from distance better when he's knocked down a couple shots closer to the rim. I see his form as a bit "push-y." His ability to finish with either hand near the rim is really good and, of course, he does damage as a passer. Not sure why he just kept firing instead of changing the program a bit.

I do think he should spend a good deal of time in Maine. And if he does, IMO, he needs to be able to continue as a high usage ball-handler and this is where I have a bit of a concern with continuing on with JD Davison (or any ball dominant PG/SG).

At first I wanted to see him bring the ball up in SL, but I quickly changed my mind.

I actually think he'll benefit from having a pass first PG in Maine who can find him. Get him better moving without the ball to open spots. I don't think you have to hide him in the corner like they did with AB. He's not fast but he's smart so have him find his spots. In college he was able to dribble to a spot. I don't see that being so easy now in the bigs.

[cloverleaf]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

The primary issue I had with Scheierman's games 2 and 3 is he wasn't trying to get into the paint. IMO he seems to be a guy who shoots from distance better when he's knocked down a couple shots closer to the rim. I see his form as a bit "push-y." His ability to finish with either hand near the rim is really good and, of course, he does damage as a passer. Not sure why he just kept firing instead of changing the program a bit.

I do think he should spend a good deal of time in Maine. And if he does, IMO, he needs to be able to continue as a high usage ball-handler and this is where I have a bit of a concern with continuing on with JD Davison (or any ball dominant PG/SG).

Joe told him to focus on shooting 3s, defending and rebounding. If he follows that we really won't see the best of his game.

[darrendaye]

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

The primary issue I had with Scheierman's games 2 and 3 is he wasn't trying to get into the paint. IMO he seems to be a guy who shoots from distance better when he's knocked down a couple shots closer to the rim. I see his form as a bit "push-y." His ability to finish with either hand near the rim is really good and, of course, he does damage as a passer. Not sure why he just kept firing instead of changing the program a bit.

I do think he should spend a good deal of time in Maine. And if he does, IMO, he needs to be able to continue as a high usage ball-handler and this is where I have a bit of a concern with continuing on with JD Davison (or any ball dominant PG/SG).

At first I wanted to see him bring the ball up in SL, but I quickly changed my mind.

I actually think he'll benefit from having a pass first PG in Maine who can find him. Get him better moving without the ball to open spots. I don't think you have to hide him in the corner like they did with AB. He's not fast but he's smart so have him find his spots. In college he was able to dribble to a spot. I don't see that being so easy now in the bigs.

If they didn't have Drew Peterson, I would agree about having a high usage conductor PG. He should perhaps not be the primary hub for the offense, as that won't be his role in the NBA, but a secondary ballhandler is where I see his path. Furthermore, they are going to want to find Watson touches. Wing playmaking and bigs who help there too is more aligned with how the pro team is constructed and they mimic that to some degree with the likely Maine roster.

[phincsfan]

The primary issue I had with Scheierman's games 2 and 3 is he wasn't trying to get into the paint. IMO he seems to be a guy who shoots from distance better when he's knocked down a couple shots closer to the rim. I see his form as a bit "push-y." His ability to finish with either hand near the rim is really good and, of course, he does damage as a passer. Not sure why he just kept firing instead of changing the program a bit.

I do think he should spend a good deal of time in Maine. And if he does, IMO, he needs to be able to continue as a high usage ball-handler and this is where I have a bit of a concern with continuing on with JD Davison (or any ball dominant PG/SG).

At first I wanted to see him bring the ball up in SL, but I quickly changed my mind.

I actually think he'll benefit from having a pass first PG in Maine who can find him. Get him better moving without the ball to open spots. I don't think you have to hide him in the corner like they did with AB. He's not fast but he's smart so have him find his spots. In college he was able to dribble to a spot. I don't see that being so easy now in the bigs.

If they didn't have Drew Peterson, I would agree about having a high usage conductor PG. He should perhaps not be the primary hub for the offense, as that won't be his role in the NBA, but a secondary ballhandler is where I see his path. Furthermore, they are going to want to find Watson touches. Wing playmaking and bigs who help there too is more aligned with how the pro team is constructed and they mimic that to some degree with the likely Maine roster.

Agreed

3 and D is a buzz word but getting that 6'8/6'9 big who can shoot? You can teach the 3 and D but you can't teach the height and length.

[Hal14]

Joe told him to focus on shooting 3s, defending and rebounding. If he follows that we really won't see the best of his game.

I don't think that is necessarily what Joe told him.

From the interview clip I saw, Baylor implied that he saw Joe in the locker room..had super quick chat in passing (probably didn't talk much because Joe isn't coaching summer league so he doesn't want to step on Macleay's toes and is just relaxing during the offseason..he knows once training camp (and perhaps offseason workouts) start is when he can get more into the nitty gritty of Baylor's development plan and what they want him focusing on..so I wouldn't read too deeply into that short interview clip or take Joe's words from it too literally.

In that interview clip, Baylor was speaking in a light, casual, joking tone which implies that whatever Joe told him in passing was joking around..or half joking..

I mean, for all we know, there could have bene like 3 other players in the locker room standing there next to Baylor and Joe said that (shoot 3's, rebound and play defense) collectively to all of them, who knows..

Joe isn't always 100% serious when he says/does stuff to his players in passing:

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Lastly, Baylor doesn't even look ready to see an NBA floor yet. So maybe Joe wants him to just keep it simple for now. Shooting, D, rebound. Maybe just focus on those things to start out - keep it simple..prove you can actually play/contribute on an NBA floor - for a title contender. And then over time, work on different things and showcase different parts of your game..

Joe isn't stupid. He's a very smart basketball mind. If he has a player with a particular skillset, he's not going to just tell the player to never utilize it, ever..

[hugepatsfan]

He signed a 4 year contract. When he's entering the last year of that deal...

Jrue will be on an expiring deal entering his age 37 season. Decent chance his contract is trade filler at that point and/or he's a reduced version of himself.

White will be entering his age 33 season. It's possible some decline has crept in by then.

Hauser is currently unsigned. Pritchard is signed still, but either or both could be gone in 2nd apron consideration trades.

It's possible that to start his career Scheierman could be "constricted" to a 3 point specialist asked to rebound and defend passably, while still being asked to take on a bigger role and utilize more of his skills by the end. The current roster looks pretty locked in, but in today's NBA it's still hard to believe that we won't have a pretty drastic change over the next 4 years. If Scheierman proves he can play, role will take care of itself IMO.

[cloverleaf]

Joe told him to focus on shooting 3s, defending and rebounding. If he follows that we really won't see the best of his game.

I don't think that is necessarily what Joe told him.

From the interview clip I saw, Baylor implied that he saw Joe in the locker room..had super quick chat in passing (probably didn't talk much because Joe isn't coaching summer league so he doesn't want to step on Macleay's toes and is just relaxing during the offseason..he knows once training camp (and perhaps offseason workouts) start is when he can get more into the nitty gritty of Baylor's development plan and what they want him focusing on..so I wouldn't read too deeply into that short interview clip or take Joe's words from it too literally.

In that interview clip, Baylor was speaking in a light, casual, joking tone which implies that whatever Joe told him in passing was joking around..or half joking..

I mean, for all we know, there could have bene like 3 other players in the locker room standing there next to Baylor and Joe said that (shoot 3's, rebound and play defense) collectively to all of them, who knows..

Joe isn't always 100% serious when he says/does stuff to his players in passing:

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Lastly, Baylor doesn't even look ready to see an NBA floor yet. So maybe Joe wants him to just keep it simple for now. Shooting, D, rebound. Maybe just focus on those things to start out - keep it simple..prove you can actually play/contribute on an NBA floor - for a title contender. And then over time, work on different things and showcase different parts of your game..

Joe isn't stupid. He's a very smart basketball mind. If he has a player with a particular skillset, he's not going to just tell the player to never utilize it, ever..

I don't see why Baylor would claim Joe said it to him if Joe were saying it to a whole group--or lie about what Joe said. And it is fairly common for rookies to be told to focus on a minimal skillset and role to start. Sure, could be lighthearted, but also pretty clear.

[165bows]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

Shooters are streaky, watch Sam Hauser on one of his bad stretches he looks like he can't hit a thing.

Scheierman had 5 games of 10+ 3PTA where he shot .300 or less last year, also had 6 games of 5+ 3P makes where he shot over .500 from 3.

Shot .297 in his 45 college losses and .433 in his 112 college wins from three.

One could interpret that as shooting poorly against better competition but I'm basically not that worried about his shooting at this point. He's a good shooter but also not a specialist but that's a good thing imo.

[cloverleaf]

I think he's a heady player and a perfectionist, which are both positive traits for the game. But he's probably been in his head trying to figure it all out and incorporate what he's been told somewhat to the detriment of his short-term play. I think he'll largely have it smoothed out by the end of training camp.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[ParticleMan]

shooting is literally the last thing i'm worried about with baylor. he will shoot, it's just a matter of time and getting used to nba speed. i loved seeing that he got to the line so much against charlotte.

the bigger issues are defensive anticipation, and overall strength and quickness. the former takes bbiq and the latter takes gym work. he seems like a hoops smart kid with a good work ethic so i think it will just take time.

he also has to understand how to get open. of course his teammates have to help him out, which SL is not great for. but he still lacks that intuitive feel and decisiveness that good shooters have. it will help once he is an offense that is more structured.

outside of springer and queta, him and watson look most like nba players, and i'd put scheierman over watson in terms of upside. and just to add, his game is really nothing like sam hauser's nor should that be his role.

[sam_I_am]

If Baylor plays with the varsity team, he is going to have the opportunity to be able to pass to great players and to get wide open uncontested 3s. I think he has shown he is a very good playmaker so I think he could be a solid rotation player as a shooter. His rebounding is also excellent.

Defensively, he has a long way to go and physically he is apparently a lot weaker than he looks. He gets knocked around like he is 160 lbs. I think that more than anything has affected his shooting. The Celtics strength and conditioning program has been very successful. If it works for Baylor and he can meet the physical demands of NBA he will be good. Better shooters than him (Luigi Datome comes to mind) could not but I see him looking much better next to our regular rotation players than he does now.

[165bows]

So the bad news is that Baylor is 5/21 so far though summer league from deep. 3/7, 1/6, 1/8. Brutal shooting numbers.

The good news is that despite this, the team does seem to perform distinctly better when he's on the floor.

His free throw shooting is off too. So maybe it's not defenses throwing him off, he's just off. Shooters can turn things around fast, and hopefully that happens.

Shooters are streaky, watch Sam Hauser on one of his bad stretches he looks like he can't hit a thing.

Scheierman had 5 games of 10+ 3PTA where he shot .300 or less last year, also had 6 games of 5+ 3P makes where he shot over .500 from 3.

Shot .297 in his 45 college losses and .433 in his 112 college wins from three.

One could interpret that as shooting poorly against better competition but I'm basically not that worried about his shooting at this point. He's a good shooter but also not a specialist but that's a good thing imo.

15 points on 11 possessions today. Obviously doesn’t mean a ton in SL but shows the power of having a guy that can go off for 50% from three on high volume at a moments notice.

[ConstableGeneva]

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But is he worried about Jordan Walsh's shooting?