PDX / DEN

[BlazersBroncos]

Portland Trades
Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

Denver Trades
Michael Porter JR F
Zeke Nnaji FC
2029 FRP LP

WHY FOR PORTLAND
They seem to not want to make moves that purely cash out win-now guys for picks and here straddle the fence by getting MPJ - whos age fits the timeline better than Grant. MPJ as a spotup shooter is a pretty nice fit next to the cutting / ballhandling of Scoot / Sharpe / Deni. Zeke is probably a sunk cost but the FRP alleviates the extra money he brings (As well as the extra money MPJ brings as he makes 6M+ more than Grant).

G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Dalano Banton
F - Michael Porter JR / Toumari Camara / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jabari Walker JR / Kris Murray / Zeke Nnaji
C - DeAndre Ayton / Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan

WHY FOR DENVER
With the loss of KCP and the lack of scoring creation they seemed to feel in the PO's here they make a win-now move to address these issues. Grant gives them a 3rd guy who can create for himself but also is at home play off ball shooter. MT is a tenatious defender who fits like a gove in that 5th option / low usage SG role. Duop is a floor spacing big who should get plenty of run and helps shore up their perennially depth lacking big man rotation.

G - Jamal Murray / Aaron Gordon / Jalen Pickett
G - Matisse Thybulle / Christian Braun / Julian Strawther
F - Jerami Grant / Peyton Watson / Julian Strawther
F - Aaron Gordon / Dario Saric / Vlatko Cancar / Hunter Tyson
C - Nikola Jokic / Duop Reath / DeAndre Jordan

IR DaRon Holmes

[Godaddycurse]

denver owes 2029 pick to okc

[JRoy]

No interest in an expensive and chronically injured MPJ. A smaller deal might work for both teams.

[BelgradeNugget]

Denver trades the best player and 1st? We had Grant, we know what he is and what he is not
No, thanks

[Texas Chuck]

Denver trades the best player and 1st? We had Grant, we know what he is and what he is not
No, thanks

Definitely aren't trading the best player. Nor certainly the player who would best fit what they need. And it kinda ignores moving dead weight for a much needed wing defender.

Feels like a home run deal for Denver. And I haven't even gotten into all of the massive risk that Porter Jr represents.

[BelgradeNugget]

Denver trades the best player and 1st? We had Grant, we know what he is and what he is not
No, thanks

Definitely aren't trading the best player. Nor certainly the player who would best fit what they need. And it kinda ignores moving dead weight for a much needed wing defender.

Feels like a home run deal for Denver. And I haven't even gotten into all of the massive risk that Porter Jr represents.

We had Grant. He is empty stats guy. In Bredley Beal way. He had a chance to resing for Denver for the same money he signed for Detroit. Didn't want to play for contender in AG's role. One of the worst wing rebounders in the league. Overrated defender that goes for hightlight defensive plays.

MPJ>>>>Grant. MPJ is one of the best spot up shooter in the NBA, one of the best sf rebounder, proven 3rd option on championship winning team. MPJ is less risk than Kawhi, Zion, Embiid, PG...

I just don't understand how fans of other teams keep trying to convince us we must trade our 3rd best player, 1st pick and be happy...

but I was thinking something around

Klay Thompson
Maxi Kleber
2029 FRP LP

for

Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

might be a homerun for Dallas. After all Thompson is older than MPJ, more injury prone, had worst playoffs than MPJ...

[JRoy]

Denver trades the best player and 1st? We had Grant, we know what he is and what he is not
No, thanks

Definitely aren't trading the best player. Nor certainly the player who would best fit what they need. And it kinda ignores moving dead weight for a much needed wing defender.

Feels like a home run deal for Denver. And I haven't even gotten into all of the massive risk that Porter Jr represents.

We had Grant. He is empty stats guy. In Bredley Beal way. He had a chance to resing for Denver for the same money he signed for Detroit. Didn't want to play for contender in AG's role. One of the worst wing rebounders in the league. Overrated defender that goes for hightlight defensive plays.

MPJ>>>>Grant. MPJ is one of the best spot up shooter in the NBA, one of the best sf rebounder, proven 3rd option on championship winning team. MPJ is less risk than Kawhi, Zion, Embiid, PG...

I just don't understand how fans of other teams keep trying to convince us we must trade our 3rd best player, 1st pick and be happy...

but I was thinking something around

Klay Thompson
Maxi Kleber
2029 FRP LP

for

Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

might be a homerun for Dallas. After all Thompson is older than MPJ, more injury prone, had worst playoffs than MPJ...

Better than some deals but POR has no business paying for Klays contract at this time. I’d he could be rerouted for value maybe.

[BelgradeNugget]

Definitely aren't trading the best player. Nor certainly the player who would best fit what they need. And it kinda ignores moving dead weight for a much needed wing defender.

Feels like a home run deal for Denver. And I haven't even gotten into all of the massive risk that Porter Jr represents.

We had Grant. He is empty stats guy. In Bredley Beal way. He had a chance to resing for Denver for the same money he signed for Detroit. Didn't want to play for contender in AG's role. One of the worst wing rebounders in the league. Overrated defender that goes for hightlight defensive plays.

MPJ>>>>Grant. MPJ is one of the best spot up shooter in the NBA, one of the best sf rebounder, proven 3rd option on championship winning team. MPJ is less risk than Kawhi, Zion, Embiid, PG...

I just don't understand how fans of other teams keep trying to convince us we must trade our 3rd best player, 1st pick and be happy...

but I was thinking something around

Klay Thompson
Maxi Kleber
2029 FRP LP

for

Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

might be a homerun for Dallas. After all Thompson is older than MPJ, more injury prone, had worst playoffs than MPJ...

Better than some deals but POR has no business paying for Klays contract at this time. I’d he could be rerouted for value maybe.

Anyway, Denver doesn't want Portland's players, Portland doesn't want Nuggets players, so we fine.
Maybe there is something to talk with Dallas fans...

[JRoy]

We had Grant. He is empty stats guy. In Bredley Beal way. He had a chance to resing for Denver for the same money he signed for Detroit. Didn't want to play for contender in AG's role. One of the worst wing rebounders in the league. Overrated defender that goes for hightlight defensive plays.

MPJ>>>>Grant. MPJ is one of the best spot up shooter in the NBA, one of the best sf rebounder, proven 3rd option on championship winning team. MPJ is less risk than Kawhi, Zion, Embiid, PG...

I just don't understand how fans of other teams keep trying to convince us we must trade our 3rd best player, 1st pick and be happy...

but I was thinking something around

Klay Thompson
Maxi Kleber
2029 FRP LP

for

Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

might be a homerun for Dallas. After all Thompson is older than MPJ, more injury prone, had worst playoffs than MPJ...

Better than some deals but POR has no business paying for Klays contract at this time. I’d he could be rerouted for value maybe.

Anyway, Denver doesn't wan't Portland's player, Portland doesn't want Nuggets players, so we fine.
Maybe there is something to talk with Dallas fans...

I think that ship has sailed fortunately.

[Texas Chuck]

Bizato switch this to dallas because I had a different take. But let's not derail a thread because of it. If you want to propose dallas trades start a thread.

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[BelgradeNugget]

Why was it bizaro swich? If Blazers package is worth injury prone shooter, death waight player and 1st grab it. Didn't you call it a home run. I had different opinnion.
Anyway Blazers fan don't want any of deals so no reason to make a thread of it, or keep discusion between us.

[Myth]

My gut reaction is I want a 3rd team to re-route MPJ to for different salary and some mild draft compensation. I think Blazers and MPJ himself would be happier. Blazers tank, get assets, and MPJ isn’t stuck on a tanking team after spending his career next to Jokic.

[oldncreaky]

On the MPJ versus Grant, I'd favour MPJ. Not by a lot, but after seeing Grant shrink as a lead guy in Detroit, and his allergy to rebounding, I think his time for the big stage has passed. I prefer MPJ's cold-blooded shooting on the big stage even though his back will be a risk for as long as his career lasts.

Denver might be able to enticed by financial savings. If I've got the numbers right, Denver is trading out $44.7M, and taking back $42.8M. The savings are not enough to take them under the 1st Apron. DEN probably prefers to just skip Duop Reath, and dip below the apron. Is that enough to make it worth it?

[Texas Chuck]

Why was it bizaro swich? If Blazers package is worth injury prone shooter, death waight player and 1st grab it. Didn't you call it a home run. I had different opinnion.
Anyway Blazers fan don't want any of deals so no reason to make a thread of it, or keep discusion between us.

IT's bizzare because you picked Dallas simply because I root for them. Like you got in your feelings that I liked this deal for the Nuggets so you made it about my team. That's just so weird.

Your proposed deal isn't even legal at this point as Klay can't be traded. But for the record would I like Dallas to have better players? Yes.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think Grant and MPJ are similar in terms of impact, my thought was that DEN would like to mix it up and additionally here they get a quality replacement for KCP.

MPJ is younger, a better rebounder and arguably a better shooter (Albeit Grant shot better last year and the volume from 3 wasnt that different). Grant is a better creator, gets to the line far more and is a more willing passer. I would argue that off a bad team Grant would show out as a better defender as well. He is also cheaper, with less injury issues.

But if DEN still sees MPJ as having the allure and development potential that he seemed to show after the 20/21 season then I understand the trepidation. I simply dont think he is that guy anymore - he is what he is, an overpaid jumbo shooter who doesnt play great D and has serious limitations offensively (Passing, basically being limited to 3 or 'show the 3 - dribble pull up jumper').

I thought this was pretty close value wise. Guess DEN fans still want to bet on MPJ having something to unlock. Based on age I dont think thats likely but can understand wanting to stick with 'your guy'.

[BelgradeNugget]

Why was it bizaro swich? If Blazers package is worth injury prone shooter, death waight player and 1st grab it. Didn't you call it a home run. I had different opinnion.
Anyway Blazers fan don't want any of deals so no reason to make a thread of it, or keep discusion between us.

IT's bizzare because you picked Dallas simply because I root for them. Like you got in your feelings that I liked this deal for the Nuggets so you made it about my team. That's just so weird.

Your proposed deal isn't even legal at this point as Klay can't be traded. But for the record would I like Dallas to have better players? Yes.

Do you think Dallas would be better with

Jerami Grant F
Matisse Thybulle GF
Duop Reath FC

or

Klay Thompson
Maxi Kleber
2029 FRP LP

Honest opinnion

[Texas Chuck]

Grant is the best player there. Thybulle should be playable. Maxi is a loss because they don't have another guy who can do what he does, but obviously you give him up to upgrade a starter to this degree. I like getting better players. Fit isn't as obviously better as the OP is for the Nuggets where you get a guy who gives you the same spacing, but then all this other wonderful stuff plus getting a bonus wing defender. But you are fixated so here you go....

Still has zero relevance to the OP or why it makes so much sense for Denver, but hopefully you now feel better and won't feel the need to do this every time a poster likes a deal for the Nuggets than you don't. Because its so unnecessary to do this.

[BelgradeNugget]

I think Grant and MPJ are similar in terms of impact, my thought was that DEN would like to mix it up and additionally here they get a quality replacement for KCP.

MPJ is younger, a better rebounder and arguably a better shooter (Albeit Grant shot better last year and the volume from 3 wasnt that different). Grant is a better creator, gets to the line far more and is a more willing passer. I would argue that off a bad team Grant would show out as a better defender as well. He is also cheaper, with less injury issues.

But if DEN still sees MPJ as having the allure and development potential that he seemed to show after the 20/21 season then I understand the trepidation. I simply dont think he is that guy anymore - he is what he is, an overpaid jumbo shooter who doesnt play great D and has serious limitations offensively (Passing, basically being limited to 3 or 'show the 3 - dribble pull up jumper').

I thought this was pretty close value wise. Guess DEN fans still want to bet on MPJ having something to unlock. Based on age I dont think thats likely but can understand wanting to stick with 'your guy'.

Thing is simple. We had Grant. We saw him play. We saw him play defense whan it mattered. We saw his creation whan it matered. You brought him to improve team around Dame. You still had Nurkic at the time. And you missed playoffs and had to trade Dame. Things went downhill. I won't say it is his guilt. But wasn't he the one who should have help Dame do something?

Since leaving Denver to go to Detroit to pad his stats he was voulume scorer for 2 really bad teams.

Grant is better creator than MPJ. But he is below average creator. And we don't need MPJ to create.
MPJ is not unwilling paser. His role is not that. His role is catch and shoot. Grant is not better defender. Saw them both when it matered. MPJ improved defensively from the bubble when he got that stigma as bad defender. Grant is one of the worst rebounders in the league compared to position. And rebounding and boxing-out is part of defense.

There is not something for MPJ to unlock. He was 3rd/4th option on championship winning team. In things he does for Denver he is among the best in the league. Catch and shoot. Finish plays. Rebound.

Grant even wasn't 3rd option on winning team. He was 1st option on terrible team. Detroit was bad before him, and bad after him. After that Grant was 3rd option on bad Portland team. Portland was good before him and bad since. Are we still fooling ourslefes players that stat chase on bad teams are some kind of stars?

Again you don't have to explain who Grant is, we know. And you don't have to explain to us who MPJ is, we know better.

[BelgradeNugget]

Grant is the best player there. Thybulle should be playable. Maxi is a loss because they don't have another guy who can do what he does, but obviously you give him up to upgrade a starter to this degree. I like getting better players. Fit isn't as obviously better as the OP is for the Nuggets where you get a guy who gives you the same spacing, but then all this other wonderful stuff plus getting a bonus wing defender. But you are fixated so here you go....

Still has zero relevance to the OP or why it makes so much sense for Denver, but hopefully you now feel better and won't feel the need to do this every time a poster likes a deal for the Nuggets than you don't. Because its so unnecessary to do this.

Well, I respect your opinnion. And I respect OP's idea. So I tried to give an opinnion of somebody who had both players on my team. I watched every game both of them played for Denver. Every minute. I watched them both in Nuggets system. In playoffs and rs. And I tought people will respect that.

But I saw you responded to my post how it was a home run for Denver. Wasn't it a little arrogant from your side to try to explain to Denver fan something about curent and ex Denver players in that way. Because when I get to this forums I try to learn about other teams from their fans and to explain something about Denver team to fans of other teams.

But if you know better keep on going...I see you don't find it unnecessary to do this. I'm out

[BelgradeNugget]

OK I don't want to make this I'm a Denver fan, watched them I know. Here is a net rating of Nuggets 2019-20 players. MPJ was rookie than. Grant started 24 games and played big minutes.

PLAYERS NETRTG
Will Barton 5.8
Jamal Murray 5.3
Nikola Jokic 4.5
Gary Harris 3.4
Jerami Grant -2.1
Paul Millsap 9.3
Monte Morris 0.8
Torrey Craig -5.7
Malik Beasley 1.9
Mason Plumlee -1.0
Michael Porter 0.7

Things were the same in playoffs. Grant's net rating -5.5 to MPJ 5.9.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612743/players-advanced?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=MIN
https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612743/players-advanced?Season=2019-20&dir=D&sort=NET_RATING

Things haven't changed since

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203924
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629008?SeasonType=Regular+Season