2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (Championship game tonight July 22: Grizzlies vs Heat) HEAT WIN!

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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1101 » by rate_ » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:19 am

picks 1-10 vs 11-20 (starting 5)

Sheppard/Castle/Risacher/Cody Williams/Edey

vs

Carrington/Tyson/Buzelis/Da Silva/Ware

Who we taking?
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1102 » by Dan Z » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:20 am

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PG: Amen
SG: Griffin
SF: Cam
PF: Eason
C : Jabari

They could share the floor together honestly. They're big wings with diverse skill sets


Haha.

I didn't mention their guards because Fred VanVleet, Reed and Jalen Green is an ok rotation.


PG: FVV | Sheppard
SG: Green | Griffin
SF: Amen | Brooks
PF: Jabari | Whitmore
C : Sengun | Eason

Doesn't seem to hard, just a deep team with injuries expected. I'd be looking for FVV and Brooks to be moved off before the young guys. But there might be some issues with contract timing, they may need to trade Eason for draft pick.


Eason plays center? They also have Steven Adams.

Im sure they're in no rush, but i was just wondering what the rotation might look like.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1103 » by scrabbarista » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:24 am

Dan Z wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Haha.

I didn't mention their guards because Fred VanVleet, Reed and Jalen Green is an ok rotation.


PG: FVV | Sheppard
SG: Green | Griffin
SF: Amen | Brooks
PF: Jabari | Whitmore
C : Sengun | Eason

Doesn't seem to hard, just a deep team with injuries expected. I'd be looking for FVV and Brooks to be moved off before the young guys. But there might be some issues with contract timing, they may need to trade Eason for draft pick.


Eason plays center? They also have Steven Adams.

Im sure they're in no rush, but i was just wondering what the rotation might look like.


No. I have never seen Eason play center.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1104 » by Han Solo » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:42 am

Bronny looking like an NBA player. Might take him some time to make a rotation, but he will play. His defense alone will find him some playing time.

I’m happy for him. I hate LeBron. But that kid got **** on worse than I’ve ever seen a player get dogged.

He will never be a star. But he legit can be an NBA player on his own.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1105 » by scrabbarista » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:45 am

Rockets can hold for the last shot. Nate Williams drives and gets fouled with 15 seconds left. Makes both. Minny comes down and hits a three. Williams passes it to Minny and then has to foul to prevent a dunk with two seconds left. Two free throws for Minny. I don't know about this guy.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1106 » by zshawn10 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:48 am

scrabbarista wrote:Rockets can hold for the last shot. Nate Williams drives and gets fouled with 15 seconds left. Makes both. Minny comes down and hits a three. Williams passes it to Minny and then has to foul to prevent a dunk with two seconds left. Two free throws for Minny. I don't know about this guy.


The whole sl team outside of Reed is so bad. AJ Griffin looks really bad too
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1107 » by durden_tyler » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:54 am

Posted this as own thread but obviously has implications in Summer League playoffs:

The NBA and Points Differential

Glad to see the NBA is starting to implement this (basically copying what other leagues/FIBA does, which i believe is more fair and promotes even better compeitition)

The Point Differential is now being used in

NBA Cup (Or in-season tournament)
Summer League

to break ties (the first tiebreak is the head-to-head record, which is just point differential but just between two teams)

As evidenced by major FIBA/interntaional competitions it's a fair way to break multiple teams tied in W-L records with teams fighting to the end of the game to get those precious points advantage, if necessary. On a game-to-game basis (say early rounds), you always want to play your A-game until the buzzer sounds because you're not sure if there'll be tied records at the end of a certain stage.

We're seeing that first hand in this Summer League (and last season's In-Season group stage ending) wher five teams are now loss-less

4-0 Memphis
4-0 Clippers

3-0 Warriors
3-0 Spurs
3-0 Heat

The last 3 teams playing Friday with the Spurs owning the lowest point differential (Still getting the actual numbers after today's double digit wins from the Grizz and Clipps)... Only four teams advance to the playoffs so we'll see these teams really play hard and play to win big.

Moreover, i think the point differential should be used in breaking the regular season ties (for lottery spots) too-- we'll see if the NBA also considers that over time.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1108 » by scrabbarista » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:56 am

zshawn10 wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:Rockets can hold for the last shot. Nate Williams drives and gets fouled with 15 seconds left. Makes both. Minny comes down and hits a three. Williams passes it to Minny and then has to foul to prevent a dunk with two seconds left. Two free throws for Minny. I don't know about this guy.


The whole sl team outside of Reed is so bad. AJ Griffin looks really bad too


To be fair to Willams, I've seen him contribute plenty of times in the NBA regular season. I think he's just 1) playing a role outside his skillset 2) playing too "me first" because he wants to impress 3) having a bad stretch.

Yeah, this team is short on talent, even by SL standards.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1109 » by durden_tyler » Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:30 am

2024 Summer League - Only top four makes the playoffs

Team (Record) - Points Differential

Grizzlies (4-0) - 14.3
Clippers (4-0) - 12.8

Heat (3-0) - 15.7 | Last game vs. Raptors
Warriors (3-0) - 12.7 | Last game vs Thunder
Spurs (3-0) - 4.7|Last game vs Sixers

The Spurs need a very big win against the Sixers for have a chance at this.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1110 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:45 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:My thoughts on Sarr: the NBA got spooked and developed an inferiority complex this year.

We are overrating the **** out of French development systems and all the BS about “learning the game the right way”. These brainless AAU kids are so far ahead of their French counterparts it isn’t even funny. Compare Salaun and Sarr to the American guys. We aren’t doing so bad over here, I promise.

The real issue is that the planet Earth only produces so many 7 footers with amazing coordination and proprioception, and now the rest of the globe is sending these people to us. Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, Wemby, their size/coordination package is the biggest reason (by far) why they’re so good.


Can't really disagree. Europe, South America, Asia and Africa still have a long way to go until they have consistent 6'6 and under elite players to compete with the USA/Canada. Although, Nolan Traore is coming for that arse next year.


We Euros just lack athleticism it seems, to have dominant guards. Some NBA star guards didnt have elite athletic ability, but most do. Guys like Jokic and other bigs make up with size, but what 6'3 guys like Navarro or Spanoulis can make up for, when you put them 1v1 agains Wade or ANT? They will school these guys in moments, but overall, over bigger sample size, they will be ran out of town. The best recent Euro guards, in the NBA at least, unless i forgeting someone, were Dragic and Tony Parker, both had elite speed. Of course Luka as well, but hes anomaly in both skill and size, he is unmatchable in terms of match ups and is closer to these bigs when it comes to physical profile. I am currently dont know euro guard prospects who can match any of that, its really no coincidence most if these Euro stars are bigmen.

My Lithuania just lost U20 quarter final to Greece, devastating result. But yet again, all our guys worth any attention, are bigs. Krivas, Vokietaitis and Murauskas. Our guards just as slow and crappy, but they also like 8 or 10 inches shorter, brutal. Ag least Vokietaitis is 6'11 and Krivas is 7'2, at least they have that, these 6'2, 6'4 guys on the other hand, they have nothing going on whatsoever.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1111 » by stuporman » Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:42 am

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Clincher wrote:Tyler Kolek is so friggin good. He can score as he showed today but he really puts a point of emphasis on trying to feed his teammates some looks. He probably saw 2 games in that he has to get a little bit more greedy to have the team win so I don't mind him going at it on offense.
Suns were stupid to pass him up. Then again, it's no surprise seeing James Jones is still out GM and he thinks of himself as a better talent evaluator than scouts.

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Brunson is a backup PG at best. People need to relax


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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1112 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:12 am

So how the hell Rockets game ended, cause NBA app still says its 1:32 left in third quarter, and it has been like that since I woke up.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1113 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:13 am

Dan Z wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Haha.

I didn't mention their guards because Fred VanVleet, Reed and Jalen Green is an ok rotation.


PG: FVV | Sheppard
SG: Green | Griffin
SF: Amen | Brooks
PF: Jabari | Whitmore
C : Sengun | Eason

Doesn't seem to hard, just a deep team with injuries expected. I'd be looking for FVV and Brooks to be moved off before the young guys. But there might be some issues with contract timing, they may need to trade Eason for draft pick.


Eason plays center? They also have Steven Adams.

Im sure they're in no rush, but i was just wondering what the rotation might look like.


No but Jabari would slide to C next to Eason.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1114 » by PlatinumState » Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:24 am

Oh my.........Sarr looks terrible
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1115 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:51 am

I love how Reed Sheppard's good games are blasted across social media and it's crickets when he plays poorly in back to back games. And how Bronny is lambasted relentlessly when he plays poorly and nobody gaf now that he's had back to back good games. NBA fans are the dumbest.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1116 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:02 am

SkyBill40 wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:Suns were stupid to pass him up. Then again, it's no surprise seeing James Jones is still out GM and he thinks of himself as a better talent evaluator than scouts.

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Kolek is a backup PG at best. People need to relax


And a good backup PG is exactly what PHX is lacking and has lacked for several seasons now. Did you not see just how badly the Booker experiment went?


I really like Weatherspoon for that role. Watching that Pacers game and he was running the offense, great on D and just has a great feel for the game. He's like 27 y/o and ready to contribute. I think he'll be just fine as the backup if they choose to go with him. There's a lot of capable guys down in the G-League just waiting for an opportunity. I see little from Kolek to suggest his game will translate to the NBA level due to his size, defense and lack of athleticism. His shot-making worked in college but won't in the NBA and his defense is atrocious which will keep him off the floor. He may get backup minutes but it won't last unless there's injuries imho.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1117 » by BadWolf » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:54 am

UcanUwill wrote:So how the hell Rockets game ended, cause NBA app still says its 1:32 left in third quarter, and it has been like that since I woke up.


espn has full boxscore

Anyone worries about Dillingham?
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1118 » by BadWolf » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:56 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:I love how Reed Sheppard's good games are blasted across social media and it's crickets when he plays poorly in back to back games. And how Bronny is lambasted relentlessly when he plays poorly and nobody gaf now that he's had back to back good games. NBA fans are the dumbest.


boxscore doesn't look to bad
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1119 » by durden_tyler » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:57 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:I love how Reed Sheppard's good games are blasted across social media and it's crickets when he plays poorly in back to back games. And how Bronny is lambasted relentlessly when he plays poorly and nobody gaf now that he's had back to back good games. NBA fans are the dumbest.

Potential NBA scrubs should never be discussed, you are correct on that end.

Like most knowledgeable fans, they just choose to ignore Bronny since he won’t be a relevant player soon, or ever.


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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! Las Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#1120 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:07 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:I love how Reed Sheppard's good games are blasted across social media and it's crickets when he plays poorly in back to back games. And how Bronny is lambasted relentlessly when he plays poorly and nobody gaf now that he's had back to back good games. NBA fans are the dumbest.

Potential NBA scrubs should never be discussed, you are correct on that end.

Like most knowledgeable fans, they just choose to ignore Bronny since he won’t be a relevant player soon, or ever.


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I went to nba.com and Bronny is title story... like wow, did he lead anything in stats? No, he was just random guy who wasnt terrible. Wow, what a story! Hes a nobody and we sick of outlets selling us thin air. They had article for players to watch in Vegas, and Bronnobody was number 7, ahead of first and second picks from the draft... For how long we keep this charade?

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