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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#161 » by Ssj16 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:43 am

cupcakesnake wrote:I'm intrigued. Westbrook had some very positive stretches for the Clippers last year. He did things on defense and as a screener that he'd flat out refused to do most of his career.

He posted his lowest turnover rate ever, and curbed his tendency to jack a lot of pull up threes. He took way more shots closer to the basket. He's really not a good scorer (or obviously shooter) but he can come in and give Denver a different look with his athleticism and passing. Find MPJ some clean looks.

The Nuggets have to be a bit creative at this point.


This is where I am at as well. I don't know if I can call this a success or failure right away but I think that it is a high risk, high reward move that's necessary by the Nuggets.
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Post#162 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:47 am

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shi-woo wrote:I have faith Jokic will turn Russ into a viable slasher/cutter in the Denver offense. They needed another ball handler too. I also like is competitiveness and intensity off the bench for this team. He should be a welcome sight in DEN.

Jokic- Jordon
Gordon- Saric
MPJ- Watson
Braun- Strawther
Murray- Westbrook

That team is still a Naz Reid away from doing legit damage.


This has to be worst bench lineup in the league, terrible, we have non NBA teams with comparable bench strength. Man. Denver had it, cheap folk let possible dynasty slip from their hands.


it's actually
Westbrook
Strawther
Watson
Cancar
Saric.
That is not terible lineup at all.
it is expected that Nuggets are gonna stagger more this year.
Trey Alexander is almost a lock to replace westbrook when he leaves, and Holmes is back next season.
I like that 12man deep rotation


My man, its horrible lineup. Cancar did just return from injury, maybe he picks it up, but man barely looked the part on that sad Slovenian team, that lineup is atrocious, all of these players should either not be in the league anymore or be way deeper in the rotation, not be first guys off the bench, the lineup you mention is ridiculously sad. You need Thibs or Nurse cause non of these guys should play in the playoffs, maybe Saric and Watson can be tolerable bench guys. That Tyson guy, he might still be somebody, his summer league stats are good. But we are grasping big time, can't think of a bench worse than this.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#163 » by Ssj16 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:50 am

mkot wrote:I hated this, but if Jokic signed off this, I can talk myself into it.

One thing he will bring that has been missing since Bruce Brown departure is his reckless downhill rim attack. Christian Braun is the closest one but he is more of a cutter then a dribble driver. As good as Murray is he is not a downhill athlete, he is a pull up artist. Murray also never had a vet play alongside or behind him so maybe Westbrook can push him in the regular season. I also think Jokic will need to adapt to Westbrook play style, just because he can.

High risk high reward signing and if it doesn't work it's vet min they can just cut/waive him.


I don't think that Murray needs any pushing during the regular season. It's all about the playoffs and how healthy he is.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#164 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:01 pm

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cupcakesnake wrote:I'm intrigued. Westbrook had some very positive stretches for the Clippers last year. He did things on defense and as a screener that he'd flat out refused to do most of his career.

He posted his lowest turnover rate ever, and curbed his tendency to jack a lot of pull up threes. He took way more shots closer to the basket. He's really not a good scorer (or obviously shooter) but he can come in and give Denver a different look with his athleticism and passing. Find MPJ some clean looks.

The Nuggets have to be a bit creative at this point.


This is where I am at as well. I don't know if I can call this a success or failure right away but I think that it is a high risk, high reward move that's necessary by the Nuggets.


Hes 36 in November, been questionable for years now, flamed out of playoffs maybe worse than anyone else this season.

Its low risk move that hopefully works in positive way, instead of crash and burn like its been with him for both LA teams now, where is high reward. Athleticism based very low IQ player at age 36 years, and its Westbrook, and its another off season we try to sell ourselves into this nonsense.

All we can hope its positive piece in any way, just stop with high reward chances, its 2024.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#165 » by Ssj16 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:06 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Hes like the anti Jokic ...i dont understand the Nuggets front office line of thinking here. Looking more and more like they lucked into a title similar too how we did when Rob struck out on kawhi a d had to scramble for spare parts last minute and the sht stuck to the wall


I don't see the need to crap on past champions by saying they lucked into it. That just feels unnecessarily disrespectful and salty.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#166 » by Chuck Everett » Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:39 pm

Clippers sent the Jazz 4.3 million to facilitate the trade. So the Jazz also getting Westbrook to give back a 'lil money before he gets vet minimum from the Nuggets They may have pocketed a cool 2-3 million. Not bad all things considered. Ballmer probably scrounged some cash in his Maybach's center console.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#167 » by cupcakesnake » Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:01 pm

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cupcakesnake wrote:I'm intrigued. Westbrook had some very positive stretches for the Clippers last year. He did things on defense and as a screener that he'd flat out refused to do most of his career.

He posted his lowest turnover rate ever, and curbed his tendency to jack a lot of pull up threes. He took way more shots closer to the basket. He's really not a good scorer (or obviously shooter) but he can come in and give Denver a different look with his athleticism and passing. Find MPJ some clean looks.

The Nuggets have to be a bit creative at this point.


This is where I am at as well. I don't know if I can call this a success or failure right away but I think that it is a high risk, high reward move that's necessary by the Nuggets.


Hes 36 in November, been questionable for years now, flamed out of playoffs maybe worse than anyone else this season.

Its low risk move that hopefully works in positive way, instead of crash and burn like its been with him for both LA teams now, where is high reward. Athleticism based very low IQ player at age 36 years, and its Westbrook, and its another off season we try to sell ourselves into this nonsense.

All we can hope its positive piece in any way, just stop with high reward chances, its 2024.


I've always been a Westbrook skeptic, even when he was in his prime. I loudly criticized moves to acquire him, especially Houston and both LA teams.

I'm not calling this a great signing for Denver. I'm just saying I'm intrigued. This Nuggets team has been such a zero in terms of bench productions the past 2 seasons. The starters (who play with Jokic) have massive on-off ratings (+5 to +20), the bench guys are the inverse (-8 to -21). Their best bench players only play well when paired with Jokic. They don't do enough on their own.

Russ has always done too much. From looking off Durant, to stealing rebounds from Steven Adams, to needing Houston to trade away all its centers who got in the way of his game, to not being able to fit with AD and Bron...the ask has always been for him to do less and fit in better. He kind of did it with the Clippers for stretches last year. In the twilight of his career he's finally shown an interest in defense and screening. However, coming off Denver's bench, I think they'll take his chaotic creation over the big nothing burger they've been dining on these past years.

Like you say, he's 36 and athleticism dependant (still a freakishly good athlete at this age). I wouldn't be surprised if the wheels fell off, or if injuries started being a problem, or if Russ just ends up being a different kind of net negative for them. But it's a low risk chance, and I feel this could be the right context for Russ.

Even playing with the starters, the Russ I watched for the Clippers could do some Aaron Gordon style offense for the Nuggets. He was a hungry cutter for the Clips, who looked for opporunities to use his burst and attack gaps off the ball. It didn't mesh with Harden at all, but that style would work with Jokic.

I'm not betting on this going well. I'm just... intrigued! Could be weird and fun and might work.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#168 » by Drakeem » Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:14 pm

Russ was a decent player for the Clippers and is going to a Denver team with the highest IQ player in basketball today along with having no bench to speak of for the minimum.

Westbrick jokes will always be funny but this is a 0 risk move for Denver that could pay dividends bc there's almost no way he'll be as bad as Reggie was.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#169 » by _NoMas » Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:49 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:I actually love his fit in Denver. LAL had no shooters around him. LAC Had too many chefs in the kitchen.

I'd look at Russ for a lot of the non-jokic minutes. Surround him with guys like Braun, Gordon, MPJ. Athletic squad who can run and shoot and he will put up his numbers and make a big impact.

Great zero risk move for Denver.


Surrounding Westbrook with Gordon and Braun means MPJ getting triple teamed!
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#170 » by og15 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:55 pm

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cupcakesnake wrote:I'm intrigued. Westbrook had some very positive stretches for the Clippers last year. He did things on defense and as a screener that he'd flat out refused to do most of his career.

He posted his lowest turnover rate ever, and curbed his tendency to jack a lot of pull up threes. He took way more shots closer to the basket. He's really not a good scorer (or obviously shooter) but he can come in and give Denver a different look with his athleticism and passing. Find MPJ some clean looks.

The Nuggets have to be a bit creative at this point.


This is where I am at as well. I don't know if I can call this a success or failure right away but I think that it is a high risk, high reward move that's necessary by the Nuggets.

Is the risk high if they will likely be signing him to a minimum contract?
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#171 » by Scalabrine » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:02 pm

MiltownMadness wrote:Feel like this is a desperation move from the Nugs if he stays on the roster for the season, one that will not work out


I agree it's a desperation move...because they are desperate!

They have no way to improve on this roster. The only guys left are over the hill veterans that they are gonna have to squeeze some juice out of. Fournier, Hayward, Covington, Crowder, McDermott. Trent would have been nice. Maybe they take a swing on some young guys that haven't capitalized on their chances yet; THT, Okeke, Nwora. Would have loved to see them get Tyus Jones or Fultz in their instead of Westbrook, but with only the minimum to offer, it's clear that they don't really have enough to make any other moves.

Jokic/Saric
Gordon/Nnaji
Porter/Strawther
Braun/Watson
Murray/Westbrook

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Post#172 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:10 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:feels like a ticket selling move more than trying to get better on the margins


Agreed. It is a thing of beauty watching Westbrook shoot a corner three and completely miss everything or hit the left side of the backboard.
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Post#173 » by carlos710 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:15 pm

Jokic would be a terrible GM. Absolutely awful fit
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#174 » by nomansland » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:54 pm

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GiannisAnte34 wrote:feels like a ticket selling move more than trying to get better on the margins


Agreed. It is a thing of beauty watching Westbrook shoot a corner three and completely miss everything or hit the left side of the backboard.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#175 » by nomansland » Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:55 pm

nomansland wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:feels like a ticket selling move more than trying to get better on the margins


Agreed. It is a thing of beauty watching Westbrook shoot a corner three and completely miss everything or hit the left side of the backboard.


If you guys think the Nuggets are signing Westbrook to sell tickets, you don't know Denver fans very well. Nuggets fans are doing mental gymnastics to try and rationalize this acquisition.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#176 » by clippertown » Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:25 pm

For those interested, here is the current Clipper line-up vs last year. Very different team, very focused on defense with two elite scorers and many above average scorers. KPJ is going to thrive next to KL and JH. Bench is super deep. DJJ is a defensive menace as is Dunn (and Mann + Coffey). Batum is back. On paper the team is worse, but on the court, they could be better than last year.

C = Zubac / Bamba / Kai--------------------------------> C = Zubac / Theis / Plumlee
PF = Kawhi / Batum / Kobe / Tucker------------------> PF = Kawhi / Tucker / Kobe
SF = DJJ / Mann / Coffey / Miller-----------VS--------> SF = George / Coffey
SG = KPJ / Norm / Christie-----------------------------> SG = Mann / Norm / Boston Jr
PG = Harden / Dunn / Bones---------------------------> PG = Harden / Russ / Bones
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Post#177 » by kan_t » Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:37 pm

azcatz11 wrote:This is such a weird fit. Swapping KCP for Westbrook is just so horrible. What is this Denver gm doing

They're swapping Reggie Jackson for Westbrook.
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#178 » by Roscoe Sheed » Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:28 pm

clippertown wrote:For those interested, here is the current Clipper line-up vs last year. Very different team, very focused on defense with two elite scorers and many above average scorers. KPJ is going to thrive next to KL and JH. Bench is super deep. DJJ is a defensive menace as is Dunn (and Mann + Coffey). Batum is back. On paper the team is worse, but on the court, they could be better than last year.

C = Zubac / Bamba / Kai--------------------------------> C = Zubac / Theis / Plumlee
PF = Kawhi / Batum / Kobe / Tucker------------------> PF = Kawhi / Tucker / Kobe
SF = DJJ / Mann / Coffey / Miller-----------VS--------> SF = George / Coffey
SG = KPJ / Norm / Christie-----------------------------> SG = Mann / Norm / Boston Jr
PG = Harden / Dunn / Bones---------------------------> PG = Harden / Russ / Bones

quite true- they could be better than last season if Kawhi stays healthy.

I also suspect they will make another trade as they are too guard heavy now- perhaps Lavine, Kuzma, or Collins?
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Re: Dunn to the Clippers/Westbrook to the Nuggets 

Post#179 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:48 pm

Bringing Russ to come off the bench on a veteran minimum signing is not the same as trading assets and giving up the flexibility to resign Caruso for Russ on a supermax contract
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