Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks

[Duffman100]

His negativity is truly a sight to behold. He believes he has all the answers in terms of team building and yet no team follows his strategies.

I can’t believe what I’m reading on here.

It takes a big brain IQ to know that trading Poeltl = good even if the return is bad and we end up with, like, the 9th pick after making the play-in since the rest of the East's bottom feeders are just that bad. Trade Poeltl good, no trad Poeltl bad.

The Nets might just be the worst team in the NBA next season, and by a wide mile at that. But no trade Poeltl bad.

Must take an even bigger brain IQ to just make up arguments that someone has never made. But I guess I'll just leave that up to you, since I'm just not smart enough I guess.

I think you've made it clear, in multiple threads, that you want Poeltl traded. Why don't you just let it go.

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It takes a big brain IQ to know that trading Poeltl = good even if the return is bad and we end up with, like, the 9th pick after making the play-in since the rest of the East's bottom feeders are just that bad. Trade Poeltl good, no trad Poeltl bad.

The Nets might just be the worst team in the NBA next season, and by a wide mile at that. But no trade Poeltl bad.

Must take an even bigger brain IQ to just make up arguments that someone has never made. But I guess I'll just leave that up to you, since I'm just not smart enough I guess.

I think you've made it clear, in multiple threads, that you want Poeltl traded. Why don't you just let it go.

Because I never said to trade him for a bad package. Maybe you're ok with people making blatant lies about what you say, but I'm not.

[Duffman100]

Must take an even bigger brain IQ to just make up arguments that someone has never made. But I guess I'll just leave that up to you, since I'm just not smart enough I guess.

I think you've made it clear, in multiple threads, that you want Poeltl traded. Why don't you just let it go.

Because I never said to trade him for a bad package. Maybe you're ok with people making blatant lies about what you say, but I'm not.

It's probably semantics. Because I have read a lot of your posts on the Poeltl trade, in either thread, and the idea I took away was to get rid of Poeltl for pennies on the dollar (if it comes to that) because getting the higher pick was the biggest priority.

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I think you've made it clear, in multiple threads, that you want Poeltl traded. Why don't you just let it go.

Because I never said to trade him for a bad package. Maybe you're ok with people making blatant lies about what you say, but I'm not.

It's probably semantics. Because I have read a lot of your posts on the Poeltl trade, in either thread, and the idea I took away was to get rid of Poeltl for pennies on the dollar (if it comes to that) because getting the higher pick was the biggest priority.

I have specifically said that I dont want to trade him for peanuts, rather that we shouldn't be holding out for exact or greater return than the original trade. Just that we shouldn't go into sunk cost fallacy land where we dont trade him because we got "less" than we traded him for. We don't need to extract maximum value, we need to get a decent return, that is all.

[Tripod]

Or we just decide to keep our starting C.

[AceKobe]

More news today about the Knicks and their inquiry into Clint Capela. When a team is desperate, lop sided trades happen. Example Paul George and Gobert Trade.

We really could make out like bandits while also guaranteeing our future with a high draft pick in this loaded draft. A Top 5-7 pick could change the next 10 years for the raptors. It's about a championship at the end of the day

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It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

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It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

[Duffman100]

It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's this level of response that keeps getting you into unnecessary conflicts, as quite frankly, you go over the top and post antagonistically for no reason.

Again, we get you want to trade Poeltl. Move on.

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It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's this level of response that keeps getting you into unnecessary conflicts, as quite frankly, you go over the top and post antagonistically for no reason.

Again, we get you want to trade Poeltl. Move on.

It's weird how I don't respond this way to any sort of reasonable or measured argument right? If I said something asinine like Ochai could be an all defence 1st player and a starter on a championship team, I'd expect someone to call me out as well.

Using a horrible example to try and prove a faulty argument should be called out, I guess I can just spout out nonsense, but as long as I'm not being antagonistic it's ok. Thanks for your unbiased take on this.

Also i love the irony of your final sentence. Thats a chefs kiss moment right there.

[Duffman100]

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's this level of response that keeps getting you into unnecessary conflicts, as quite frankly, you go over the top and post antagonistically for no reason.

Again, we get you want to trade Poeltl. Move on.

It's weird how I don't respond this way to any sort of reasonable or measured argument right? If I said something asinine like Ochai could be an all defence 1st player and a starter on a championship team, I'd expect someone to call me out as well.

Using a horrible example to try and prove a faulty argument should be called out, I guess I can just spout out nonsense, but as long as I'm not being antagonistic it's ok. Thanks for your unbiased take on this.

Also i love the irony of your final sentence. Thats a chefs kiss moment right there.

You do respond this way to measured takes.

Move on, final warning.

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It's this level of response that keeps getting you into unnecessary conflicts, as quite frankly, you go over the top and post antagonistically for no reason.

Again, we get you want to trade Poeltl. Move on.

It's weird how I don't respond this way to any sort of reasonable or measured argument right? If I said something asinine like Ochai could be an all defence 1st player and a starter on a championship team, I'd expect someone to call me out as well.

Using a horrible example to try and prove a faulty argument should be called out, I guess I can just spout out nonsense, but as long as I'm not being antagonistic it's ok. Thanks for your unbiased take on this.

Also i love the irony of your final sentence. Thats a chefs kiss moment right there.

You do respond this way to measured takes.

Move on, final warning.

Ok so I cannot discuss trading Jak, in a thread titled :

"Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks"

Please do tell, where am I allowed to talk about on topic discussions?

As already said, you've talked about it, at length. And now you're just antagonizing people, which you've been told not to do in the past. Warned.

[WaltFrazier]

From the Knicks pov I'd love to see Jak replace iHart. Not sure what Raps would want for him or why they'd do it though.

[MoMan24]

From the Knicks pov I'd love to see Jak replace iHart. Not sure what Raps would want for him or why they'd do it though.

It's actually a simple trade. Poeltl for McBride + Robinson + whatever picks they are allowed to throw in. Nothing crazy but not trash picks either. Yak would be great for them. The Knicks are all in with the Bridges trade and the OG contract. They desperately want to replace Hartenstein and get off the injury prone Mitchell Robinson and his money. They need a quality starting center and there is no point in holding on to any picks or assets that aren't the Nova boys and OG. They have at best a 3 year window.

[Badonkadonk]

It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's all luck when it doesn't fit your narrative.

[WaltFrazier]

From the Knicks pov I'd love to see Jak replace iHart. Not sure what Raps would want for him or why they'd do it though.

It's actually a simple trade. Poeltl for McBride + Robinson + whatever picks they are allowed to throw in. Nothing crazy but not trash picks either. Yak would be great for them. The Knicks are all in with the Bridges trade and the OG contract. They desperately want to replace Hartenstein and get off the injury prone Mitchell Robinson and his money. They need a quality starting center and there is no point in holding on to any picks or assets that aren't the Nova boys and OG. They have at best a 3 year window.

Every team has at best a 3 year window, with the new CBA, but yeah the Knicks are in win now mode. Trouble is if they lose Robinson they don't have a god backup for Jak in that trade.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This ain't happening, can we lock this thread?

[CazOnReal]

I'm just going to copy/paste something i'm currently writing about this Raptors upcoming season:

While Poeltl absolutely shouldn't be treated as untouchable and while his long-term fit with Scottie is questionable due to his lack of range, his absence is not going to be the difference maker in getting into getting some of the best odds of a Top 4 pick in what may be a historic draft on a team that's likely to be sub-0.500 with or without him.

The Raptors were bad without Poeltl last season but it's commonly ignored that they were also without Scottie Barnes during that same stretch, not to mention both RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley were out due to their own respective family tragedies. He certainly makes the Raptors better but by how much is not as clear cut as lookin at their win/loss record with/out him.

If you're trading Jakob Poeltl, it should be because you got a stupid good offer from a desperate team rather than hoping for slightly improved lottery odds. Anyone who's seen the Pistons drop down in back-to-back-to-back drafts to 5th can tell you that that it's called the lottery for a reason: Sometimes you win it big (Getting number 1 in 2021's lottery and drafting Cade) and sometimes you drop from where you were expected to go in 3 consecutive drafts.

There are no guarantees in the lottery, something the Raptors should be keenly familiar with given they lost out on their own pick in this year's draft due to bad lottery luck while simultaneously jumping up from 7th to 4th in 2021 to draft Scottie Barnes. Just as the draft itself is a crapshoot, so too is the lottery that determines who gets to draft where.

Hell, if we want to extend this out to look at the Raptors general history with the lottery, they've dropped down far more than they've jumped up. In terms of major leaps i.e. jumping up more than 1 spot, getting 1st overall in 2006 while having the 5th best odds and 4th overall in 2021 with the 7th represent the exception rather than the rule.

They stayed put in 2013 & 2012 for those wondering (They weren't in the lottery again until 2021 unless you want to count that Knicks pick which became Jakob Poeltl).

Jakob Poeltl is a known talent and he's valuable for what he brings as a defender, interior presence and an underrated passing big man. He's far from untouchable, but he's also not someone you just trade for the sake of making your team worse in his absence for the sake of what can be best described as minimal gain in this year's lottery.

[Los_29]

From the Knicks pov I'd love to see Jak replace iHart. Not sure what Raps would want for him or why they'd do it though.

Do the Knicks even have any picks left?

It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's this level of response that keeps getting you into unnecessary conflicts, as quite frankly, you go over the top and post antagonistically for no reason.

Again, we get you want to trade Poeltl. Move on.

The level of anger he displays is just so unnecessary. Also, the Pacers are a good team. I’d imagine Walker, Nembhard, Mathurin and Haliburton will continue to get better as well. They played Boston extremely tough despite being swept. They certainly made it further than the teams that have been tanking for half a decade.

[Chandan]

I'm just going to copy/paste something i'm currently writing about this Raptors upcoming season:

Jonathan Bender that's a blast from the past. reminds me of Ulrich Chomche.