Warriors and Jazz engaging in media war?

[jazzfan1971]

I've been highly entertained with how the Jazz and Warriors are engaging in a trade war using press proxies.

Hardly a day goes by where I don't read an article about how 'some GMs are irrational, or how Podziemski is a future Allstar. Or how the Jazz will be content to renegotiate and extend Lauri if a proper deal doesn't come along.

I've never seen teams go at each other like this in the press before. I'm not entirely sure what the objective in doing so actually is. I don't suppose news articles will move front office positions one iota. So maybe teams are trying to inoculate their fans on why a deal ultimately does not get done.

Maybe this has just been a thing teams have been doing for a while now? I have a news feed on my phone that is relatively new to me that gives me tons of Jazz related stories, stories I probably never saw in the past.

So maybe the only new thing here is my news feed. And I'm wondering if you folks have noticed anything unusual about this negotiations taking place via press proxy, or if this has just been the norm for a while.

[gswhoops]

I think it has happened before, but I can't recall it happening to this extent before.

But Joe Lacob can't resist mouthing off and shooting his team in the foot in the process, so we should have expected this

[giberish]

Most of the time deals either happen or they don't and it goes down rather quickly. So there isn't time for anything like this to happen. At most for one more day one or both sides of a deal that didn't happen leak to the media why the other side was being unreasonable. Two days later it's old news and people move on.

I'd expect this simmering chatter to continue until Aug 6. At which point either Lauri signs an R&E deal and everything's off or he makes it clear that he's willing to forgo the immediate guaranteed money in exchange for not having Utah in control over where he plays (and not wanting the continued tanking). Then Utah's motivation to make a trade goes way up and a deal to someone (not necessarily GS) happens.

[Onus]

This is why most trades are dead by the time they get to the media. The fact this isn't going away means probably both sides are desperate.

[AingesBurner]

This is why most trades are dead by the time they get to the media. The fact this isn't going away means probably both sides are desperate.

I wouldn’t assume Utah is desperate… The Warriors sounds like the Knicks-Mitchell situation where we heard the word leverage often.

[gswhoops]

Most of the time deals either happen or they don't and it goes down rather quickly. So there isn't time for anything like this to happen. At most for one more day one or both sides of a deal that didn't happen leak to the media why the other side was being unreasonable. Two days later it's old news and people move on.

I'd expect this simmering chatter to continue until Aug 6. At which point either Lauri signs an R&E deal and everything's off or he makes it clear that he's willing to forgo the immediate guaranteed money in exchange for not having Utah in control over where he plays (and not wanting the continued tanking). Then Utah's motivation to make a trade goes way up and a deal to someone (not necessarily GS) happens.

If I had to call my shot now, I would say a deal ultimately happens. Ainge has always been a "build through the draft" guy, and with the Flagg tankathon upcoming this year, I think he would be willing to cash in on Lauri now and improve their lotto assets. That being said, I think he realizes the Warriors are fairly desperate and that he can extract a decent price for Lauri from them.

My guess is it's Kuminga or Podziemski (Utah's choice) plus Moody and a handful of future picks/swaps (plus GP2 to match salary). Push comes to shove we would probably include both JK and Podz instead of future picks, but I think Ainge probably wants the picks. With the background assumption that Lauri's agent and the Warriors have agreed that he signs a five year max next offseason.

[jayjaysee]

If Utah really doesn’t want Kuminga, Dallas is still offering the 2025 and 2031 firsts..

But yeah, this is sloppy work by both sides IMO.

[jazzfan1971]

I think it will either be some team other than the GSW or the Jazz will extend Lauri and test the waters again at the deadline.

I'm thinking the Warriors are like the Knicks with the Mitchell deal. The team you hear all the rumors for, but ultimately not the team that gets the Jazz player.

[Onus]

This is why most trades are dead by the time they get to the media. The fact this isn't going away means probably both sides are desperate.

I wouldn’t assume Utah is desperate… The Warriors sounds like the Knicks-Mitchell situation where we heard the word leverage often.

Utah is desperate which is why they've been leaking trade details

[Onus]

I think it will either be some team other than the GSW or the Jazz will extend Lauri and test the waters again at the deadline.

I'm thinking the Warriors are like the Knicks with the Mitchell deal. The team you hear all the rumors for, but ultimately not the team that gets the Jazz player.

Danny is hoping someone comes in the last minute to beat our offer. This unknown team has 2 weeks to emerge or Danny is going to have to settle.

[Cappy_Smurf]

This is why most trades are dead by the time they get to the media. The fact this isn't going away means probably both sides are desperate.

I wouldn’t assume Utah is desperate… The Warriors sounds like the Knicks-Mitchell situation where we heard the word leverage often.

Utah is desperate which is why they've been leaking trade details

Yep, Utah is desperate. Just like that time the Knicks had all the leverage with Mitchell, and Utah was forced to bend to New York's superior negotiating tactics.

[Onus]

I wouldn’t assume Utah is desperate… The Warriors sounds like the Knicks-Mitchell situation where we heard the word leverage often.

Utah is desperate which is why they've been leaking trade details

Yep, Utah is desperate. Just like that time the Knicks had all the leverage with Mitchell, and Utah was forced to bend to New York's superior negotiating tactics.

I'm not saying they're desperate to trade with GSW. But Ainge is definitely fishing with a lot of bait for a reason. The initial leaks all came from him. No reason for him to leak if he wasn't fishing.

Also Ainge did end up trading Mitchell did he not? It's not the gotcha you think it is.

And to be clear our current offer isn't great, which is why Ainge is leaking it and wants someone to come in and beat our offer.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jazz clearly want to trade Markkanen, but aren't happy with the current GS offer.

[DonaldSanders]

I'm thinking the Warriors are like the Knicks with the Mitchell deal. The team you hear all the rumors for, but ultimately not the team that gets the Jazz player.

Agreed. I listened to a long interview with Lacob on The Athletic, and from his comments it sounded like GSW is very hesitant to give the kind of haul Ainge wants. Quotes like 'the other side is often very illogical' and 'we can't mortgage our future for 1 year, someone could get hurt.' It just sounds like the 2 sides are too far apart.

A lot of the media stuff I think is manufactured for clicks because there's nothing else to really do in the off-season. Often there is no substance, just some guy speculates and someone else quotes it and now every talk radio station is running with speculation. Then some of the 'leak' stuff I wonder is if it's just PR for GSW because the fanbase has been pretty rabid about trying to get someone this offseason and painting Ainge as, well, Ainge gives the Warrior fans the answer they need as to why a deal won't happen. I'm not sure what Utah leaking accomplishes other than as a retort to what the Warriors have put out there.

[165bows]

I've been highly entertained with how the Jazz and Warriors are engaging in a trade war using press proxies.

Hardly a day goes by where I don't read an article about how 'some GMs are irrational, or how Podziemski is a future Allstar. Or how the Jazz will be content to renegotiate and extend Lauri if a proper deal doesn't come along.

I've never seen teams go at each other like this in the press before. I'm not entirely sure what the objective in doing so actually is. I don't suppose news articles will move front office positions one iota. So maybe teams are trying to inoculate their fans on why a deal ultimately does not get done.

Maybe this has just been a thing teams have been doing for a while now? I have a news feed on my phone that is relatively new to me that gives me tons of Jazz related stories, stories I probably never saw in the past.

So maybe the only new thing here is my news feed. And I'm wondering if you folks have noticed anything unusual about this negotiations taking place via press proxy, or if this has just been the norm for a while.

I think most of the Ainge flak on this site is uninformed or immature - that said, there definitely was more of this style reporting around possible trades when he was in Boston compared to now.

I’ve only followed this tangentially but your description rings a bell for me lol.

[Onus]

I'm thinking the Warriors are like the Knicks with the Mitchell deal. The team you hear all the rumors for, but ultimately not the team that gets the Jazz player.

Agreed. I listened to a long interview with Lacob on The Athletic, and from his comments it sounded like GSW is very hesitant to give the kind of haul Ainge wants. Quotes like 'the other side is often very illogical' and 'we can't mortgage our future for 1 year, someone could get hurt.' It just sounds like the 2 sides are too far apart.

A lot of the media stuff I think is manufactured for clicks because there's nothing else to really do in the off-season. Often there is no substance, just some guy speculates and someone else quotes it and now every talk radio station is running with speculation. Then some of the 'leak' stuff I wonder is if it's just PR for GSW because the fanbase has been pretty rabid about trying to get someone this offseason and painting Ainge as, well, Ainge gives the Warrior fans the answer they need as to why a deal won't happen. I'm not sure what Utah leaking accomplishes other than as a retort to what the Warriors have put out there.

The trade detail leaks came from the Jazz side. How do we know, because they also leaked the Kings deal as well. Common denominator Utah. What do the Warriors gain from saying who's in the deal? Nothing because if the deal doesn't go through then we have players who know they were in trade discussions. What do the Jazz gain from leaking who's in the deal, PR, hoping some other team says, that's all they're offering, we can beat that, let's get Lauri.

What the warriors have said though is that they don't want to trade Podz, some teams are being illogical, they don't want to mortgage the entire future. Seems like they're just responding to what is already out there as damage control / posturing.

The Jazz want to trade Lauri, but do not like our current offer. They want us to come up or someone else to come and beat the offer. They don't care which. Their leverage is that they can renegotiate and extend Lauri on 8/6. But will they really continue to delay their rebuild in the hopes they can extract another future 1st for Lauri? He's been on the market for 2 years and no one has made an offer that Ainge has liked. Lauri isn't going to have more value at the deadline or next year when his contract more than doubles. The Jazz are going to have to trade their vets at the deadline. The problem is that their other vets don't have a lot of value and most likely would take an incentive to move off them. The jazz aren't in a position where they want to trade assets to move off of their vets. They want to trade assets to obtain cornerstones. The problem being it's going to be really expensive to jump into the top 5 next year. They probably won't be able to trade Lauri to get into the top 5. Hell I doubt a top 5 pick next year gets traded for anything that's not within that top 5 already, if it really is a 5 man draft. So really Ainge has to decide is an additional 1st or 2 worth missing out on a top 5 pick next year. Those 2 1sts most likely would not get you into the top 5 next year. Your move Danny.

[jazzfan1971]

I thought I'd start linking articles here and how I interpret them.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/kendrick-perkins-proposes-a-trade-idea-that-could-elevate-the-dubs

GSW: Wake up Utah, we have other options.

[Crives]

KD to phx trade was much bigger from a “media war” standpoint.

[DonaldSanders]

I thought I'd start linking articles here and how I interpret them.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/kendrick-perkins-proposes-a-trade-idea-that-could-elevate-the-dubs

GSW: Wake up Utah, we have other options.

Perkins has 0 GSW sources, I file this under speculation for views/clicks.

[jazzfan1971]

I thought I'd start linking articles here and how I interpret them.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/kendrick-perkins-proposes-a-trade-idea-that-could-elevate-the-dubs

GSW: Wake up Utah, we have other options.

Perkins has 0 GSW sources, I file this under speculation for views/clicks.

I'm putting a HEAVY amount of speculation into these.