[Wiretap] Adam Silver is happy with the new CBA system. Are you?

[celtxman]

The only thing is going to be good for is to create a yearly competition to see who gets to be spanked by the celtics in the conference finals and finals.

they are winning 7 straight.

parity my ass.


The same way the stupid one year to another supercap rise artificially generated a dinasty in Gs allowing them to sign Durant.

Boston won't be able to keep this core together past 2025 neither.

That's a fair take, and that's a problem. We keep talking big market and small market. It depends on what the owner is worth , team revenue and how far he wants to go into the luxury tax. So Boston barely had the streets cleaned after the parade and the team went for sale. The money behind the Celtics Irv Grousbeck has a net worth of 1.8 billion, which is in the bottom echelon of team owners. Keep an eye on OKC. A fun young team that is a championship contender. (OKC fans correct me if I'm wrong) but the owner Clay Bennett is "only" worth about $500,000. With revenues at $300 million annually there is no reasonable way to get to something like $700 million like Golden State. How is this helping small market teams?

[Triple M]

The only thing is going to be good for is to create a yearly competition to see who gets to be spanked by the celtics in the conference finals and finals.

they are winning 7 straight.

parity my ass.


The same way the stupid one year to another supercap rise artificially generated a dinasty in Gs allowing them to sign Durant.

Boston won't be able to keep this core together past 2025 neither.

I wonder how long they can keep the team together if they keep winning

If they win in 25 than 450 million bill in 26 could be possible
But winning 2 or 3 historically is unlikely now

[Triple M]

The middle class players are being squeeze as well as vet role players. Seems like teams want to invest in the younger draftees over 28-31 year role players. Good luck if you are over 30 because it seems like only perennial stars are making it that far.

[dhsilv2]

The only thing is going to be good for is to create a yearly competition to see who gets to be spanked by the celtics in the conference finals and finals.

they are winning 7 straight.

parity my ass.


The same way the stupid one year to another supercap rise artificially generated a dinasty in Gs allowing them to sign Durant.

Boston won't be able to keep this core together past 2025 neither.

That's a fair take, and that's a problem. We keep talking big market and small market. It depends on what the owner is worth , team revenue and how far he wants to go into the luxury tax. So Boston barely had the streets cleaned after the parade and the team went for sale. The money behind the Celtics Irv Grousbeck has a net worth of 1.8 billion, which is in the bottom echelon of team owners. Keep an eye on OKC. A fun young team that is a championship contender. (OKC fans correct me if I'm wrong) but the owner Clay Bennett is "only" worth about $500,000. With revenues at $300 million annually there is no reasonable way to get to something like $700 million like Golden State. How is this helping small market teams?

The goal is to make it so no owners can keep a team together long term.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm happy with it since it seems like my team planned ahead with it in mind

I will say it already looks like it shut the Nuggets championship window and the Suns door is welded shut when in the past they would have been able to fortify that mess over a couple seasons.

[aggo]

its good

they just need to tune down the penalties for the second apron by a little bit.

[r0drig0lac]

It's almost perfect and should stay that way.

[Chuck Everett]

As Lebron takes almost every last dollar available and makes 50 million as a 40 year old. The problem, if there is a problem, is the overpaid older guys, who need the teams to be catered to them while not being able to do what they used to. Paying for past production sucks (which is why contracts should be unguaranteed). Then only the deserving are paid at all times.

[madmaxmedia]

As a Clipper fan owned by one of the richest guys in the world, I should hate it. But I like it even though it knee-capped our ability to keep the core we gave up everything for. It forces teams to be creative and strategic rather than just try to spend their way to success.

The old rules only penalized the overspenders financially, which helped with revenue-sharing but didn't really hinder the richer owners anyway.

[One_and_Done]

My only unhappiness is that the players are still making too much. They shouldn't get 50% of the revenue, which is unheard of in most businesses with these kinds of overheads.

[xdrta+]

My only unhappiness is that the players are still making too much. They shouldn't get 50% of the revenue, which is unheard of in most businesses with these kinds of overheads.

Yeah, everyone should feel sorry for the poor owners. Can barely make a buck these days.

[One_and_Done]

My only unhappiness is that the players are still making too much. They shouldn't get 50% of the revenue, which is unheard of in most businesses with these kinds of overheads.

Yeah, everyone should feel sorry for the poor owners. Can barely make a buck these days.

Right and wrong don't change based on income.

[wegotthabeet]

2nd apron is not enough.

hard cap + no max contracts. get it done next time.

[docholliday99]

My only unhappiness is that the players are still making too much. They shouldn't get 50% of the revenue, which is unheard of in most businesses with these kinds of overheads.

I dunno, the superstars are the reason the league makes money in the first place, they are the business model so why shouldn't they get paid? Truly, can't pay a star player enough, as they generate far more revenue than they're paid.

Even Though LeBron James Makes $49 Million a Year, Research Shows He's Significantly Underpaid. And So Are Your Superstar Employees
How much should you pay your best employees? More.

https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/even-though-lebron-james-makes-49-million-a-year-research-shows-hes-significantly-underpaid-so-are-your-superstar-employees.html

[One_and_Done]

My only unhappiness is that the players are still making too much. They shouldn't get 50% of the revenue, which is unheard of in most businesses with these kinds of overheads.

I dunno, the superstars are the reason the league makes money in the first place, they are the business model so why shouldn't they get paid? Truly, can't pay a star player enough, as they generate far more revenue than they're paid.

Even Though LeBron James Makes $49 Million a Year, Research Shows He's Significantly Underpaid. And So Are Your Superstar Employees
How much should you pay your best employees? More.

https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/even-though-lebron-james-makes-49-million-a-year-research-shows-hes-significantly-underpaid-so-are-your-superstar-employees.html

As I've discussed many times before, the stars (while valuable) are also overrated. Does anyone seriously think that if all the players died tomorrow, and were replaced by the best Euro and G-league players, that the revenue would drop 50%? The Knicks sell out no matter how bad they are. Fans follow narratives and brands before players, if it were otherwise then the NCAA wouldn't thrive. It has a garbage product compared to the NBA, with a rotating cast of characters who by definition wouldn't do much in the NBA, yet they make billions every year.

If the players all died, it would cause a drop, but before long fans would come up with new narratives for the new players, and would convince themselves they were close to as good before long. How else could there be people who seriously think old timers like Cousy would be good today? The casual fan can't tell the difference between top end players and average players, because it's measured in milliseconds. Of course all those tiny advantages add up until the inferior player is far worse, but it's not something the naked eye can discern easily. That's why you can make almost any bum look great with a highlight reel. You only notice he's not as good relative to the players around him at any given time.

Players deserve to be well paid, but 50% of revenue is excessive. Owners have to use most of their 50% to pay for the overheads of the league like buildings, staff, private jets, ads, insurance, etc. The players 50% is pure profit.

[floppymoose]

The defacto hard cap is fine. The owners are keeping too much of the BRI. Players should strike for a larger slice.

[AbC?]

I hate it.

Parity wasn't a problem. The KD Warriors were the result of a cap anomaly we'll never see again.

What the new rules destroy is the slow organic building and multiple chances of a team to contend in favor of timing a short window to go all-in while contracts line up.

The owners obviously love it because they have an excuse to not spend past the 2nd apron.

[Godymas]

No, the second apron isn’t fixing the real issue. Teams are still maxing the wrong guys.

[MessiahUjiri]

I am ideologically opposed to maximum salaries for labor if capital has uncapped upside.

Also I think letting teams pay superstars they drafted so much more is unfair to players. Why should a guy have to give up tens of millions to get out of a city or team that he doesn't like after several years of being there only.

Player empowerment is good, actually.

i dont get how one side has uncapped upside and the other doesn't when they are splitting BRI 50/50 no matter what the announced "cap salaries" are

If you truly want a free market, then you must eliminate not only max salaries, but also eliminate minimum salary guarantees. The NBAPA will never agree to it.


A better solution to improve competition is to financially disincentivize losers who are usually cheap on the salary payroll.


The bottom 1 team in each conference should not get the luxury tax payout.

Bottom dweller cheap teams like Detroit and Charlotte will quickly get their acts together. Yeah this might penalize rebuilding teams or injured teams if they suck really bad, but it’s a performance based benefit. Owners can’t just rely on the luxury tax payouts, they need to field a competitive product.

[Dominator83]

Can you name an example of just such a team?

The only team I can think of that maybe applies to is the Orlando Magic with Banchero, Wagner and Suggs. I don't believe Suggs is going to get a prohibitive contract and they have several value contracts like Jonathan Isaac on the team, so I'm not sure it's even really going to be a big issue for them as they've set up their cap really well.

Boston only drafted Brown and Tatum.

OKC only drafted Chet and Williams.

The Rockets drafted Green, Sengun, and Smith Jr., but Smith isn't a max player either and if they let FVV go after his contract is up then their cap should be fine as well.

What team do you foresee having issues retaining home grown talent?

The Warriors, who had drafted Steph Klay and Draymond.

The Warriors offered Klay more money and he didn't want it. Not sure how you blame that on the CBA.

They also have just run their course. This isn't a dynasty in its prime being broken up.