Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks

[Shakril]

Better yet, why does he simply not make bad trades in the first place. It's not stupid to be unable to effectively erase a mistake, it's stupid to have made such a blatant one in the first place.

Saying "Well we cant trade him, cause then we might lose value", welcome to the land of the sunk cost fallacy. If the purpose is to take a step back, the aim isn't to maximize value. You aren't trading him to get the most back as you can, that is not the goal. The goal is to set yourself up for a stacked draft instead of floundering in a 2 inch puddle of water.

Again, this FO falls to the same thing it has for years, not picking a lane/path/plan/etc. What they have done thus far is attempt to be as versatile as possible by being both ready to develop and try and compete at a moments notice, and they will fail at both.

You should run your own team considering you have all the answers and would win every trade and every decision would be the correct one.

Maybe start with the WNBA

His negativity is truly a sight to behold. He believes he has all the answers in terms of team building and yet no team follows his strategies.

I can’t believe what I’m reading on here.

He is immune to Arguments. Even if you disprove him he pulls some weird explanation from somewhere, instead of listening and accepting that his approach is the wrong one. But at the same time, he is not alone. There are many that think alike, but in the end they just disappoint themselves, cause nothing the raptors do will be what they want. So they become resentful and starting to hate on everything the FO does - best example: Poeltl and/or his Trade.

[Shakril]

It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

Because a good management, can rebuild without losing on purpose. None of the top teams have tanked, a fact that gets forgotten very often.

[Appostis]

Not that I think JP is going to be traded but wouldn't the Pels make more sense considering how huge a center need they have?

[Johnny Bball]

Not that I think JP is going to be traded but wouldn't the Pels make more sense considering how huge a center need they have?

Yep.

And can't figure out how nobody has seemingly noticed that the Knicks have no tradable salary (reality is little they can part with) to make this happen and make this work for them

[Scase]

It's also possible to build from the middle. The Pacers began a rebuild by trading Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis and eventually dealt him for Halliburton. Good draft picks like Mathurin and Nembhard have helped. They have never drafted higher than sixth, usually in the teens or lower.

So it took them trading George for a return of a player of Siakams calibre, multiple lower picks panning out, and a FA signing that we never get, 7 years to fall ass backwards into an ECF where they had no business being if not for injuries.

And this is your "success" story for building from the middle. You are a riot, no need to panic everyone, one day in the next 10 years, we might very well be just good enough to be a pretender. Thank god. This level of mediocrity is impressive.

It's all luck when it doesn't fit your narrative.

And it's all skill when it fits yours. See how that works?

[CazOnReal]

I think a more reasonable criticism of the Pacers as an example of a successful rebuild is that they haven't been to the Finals since Reggie Miller was on the team back in the 00s. Yeah they got a few ECFs but the roads to the two most notable ones are questionable in terms of the luck they needed to actually get there.

The Pacers are a good example of an anti-tank organization but they've rarely ever been considered contenders since Miller retired. And I think it's fair to say they should've traded Sabonis/broken up the Sabonis/Turner backcourt far sooner than they did - and they probably should have moved Brogdon sooner than they ended up doing so. They were just lucky the Kings were incompetent enough to give up Tyrese Haliburton for one playoff appearance in 3 seasons.

That's just kind of how things work in the NBA: Sometimes you need a little luck, be it in the lottery or with one team making a bad move to your own benefit.

See: The Pacers lucking in to the Raptors not maxing Siakam when they could have and playing this weird at-arms length game with their best player in a contract year that allowed them to get him for 3 bad firsts (Jury is out on that 2026 first and while I like Ja'Kobe as a selection, it is undeniable that the 19th pick in the draft is a mediocre position to be drafting from, irrespective of the draft's strength) and Bruce Brown. The Raptors have expanded on the Siakam trade so as to make the value look a lot better i.e. getting Ja'Kobe, using that trade exception to pick up Davion Mitchell and a very promising 2nd (Also Sasha) but it still isn't good value when one simply looks at the tally.

Not that I think JP is going to be traded but wouldn't the Pels make more sense considering how huge a center need they have?

You're not wrong but ignoring whether or not Missi is considered available for Jakob, there's the issue of salary matching to fill in the rest of the trade, not helped by us currently having no extra roster slots for a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deal unless a 3rd team gets involved.

Not that I think JP is going to be traded but wouldn't the Pels make more sense considering how huge a center need they have?

Yep.

And can't figure out how nobody has seemingly noticed that the Knicks have no tradable salary (reality is little they can part with) to make this happen and make this work for them

I mean the obvious filler is trading Mitchell Robinson and picks for Poeltl. Whatever else can be said about Jakob, he's not as injury-prone.

[Johnny Bball]

I mean the obvious filler is trading Mitchell Robinson and picks for Poeltl. Whatever else can be said about Jakob, he's not as injury-prone.

Yeah, I think that is a pretty lateral move that doesn't fix much for them. But one would think they want to also keep Mitchell now that Hartenstein is gone. That would also mean not signing Achiuwa to play small ball C as it puts them above the apron, and the difference between Poeltl and Mitchell' salary just might (its really close). I think they just traded out their last small salary trash to cut salary in the bridges deal to try and stay under.

Trading Mitchell also means adding a backup's salary somehow with few options left. If this was going to happen it would have been way earlier in free agnecy.