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GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2

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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#241 » by GettinitDone » Sat Jul 20, 2024 6:57 am

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He prob knows he doesn't his 1 on 1 skills aren't at the NBA level yet, so he got his points from cutting... simple but savvy solution coming from an 18yo if you can't score, just find creative ways to cut, cutting opens up offense that would otherwise be stagnant... maybe his best shot if he wants to be in rotation.

I love Skap, he can shoot and has a nose for offensive boards, has pretty high offensive awareness, and can pass a little, but his defensive awareness, boxing out, and shot blocking can get a lot better. Not bad if we can somehow turn a SL player into a key rotation... remains most likely a long shot, but worth looking into
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#242 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:46 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:As good as Kolek passing is, his defense is just as terrible.

Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


We field rotations with varying degrees of defensive contributions.

If Julius, I Just Don't Feel Like Putting My Hands Up with 90 Seconds Left in the Game, Randle can play, then Tyler Kolek will play.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#243 » by movingon » Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:38 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:As good as Kolek passing is, his defense is just as terrible.

Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


We field rotations with varying degrees of defensive contributions.

If Julius, I Just Don't Feel Like Putting My Hands Up with 90 Seconds Left in the Game, Randle can play, then Tyler Kolek will play.


He's not going to play non blowout minutes at first, this much is clear (barring a trade).
Unfortunately, injuries happen though.
Also, if we're smart, we'll try to keep guys from burning out before the playoffs this time.

Even if he doesn't see a lot of meaningful minutes this year, I think it's only a matter of time.
Yes, it's summer league, but that passing vision is going to translate.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#244 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:43 pm

You can't teach the court vision that Kolek has.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#245 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:03 pm

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He prob knows he doesn't his 1 on 1 skills aren't at the NBA level yet, so he got his points from cutting... simple but savvy solution coming from an 18yo if you can't score, just find creative ways to cut, cutting opens up offense that would otherwise be stagnant... maybe his best shot if he wants to be in rotation.

I love Skap, he can shoot and has a nose for offensive boards, has pretty high offensive awareness, and can pass a little, but his defensive awareness, boxing out, and shot blocking can get a lot better. Not bad if we can somehow turn a SL player into a key rotation... remains most likely a long shot, but worth looking into


This will be about Dadiet, but also Kolek, McCullar and Rokas. It might be true of Hukporti, but I'm not sure.

These guys were system picks. Not solely system picks - the Knicks scouted ability. But the Knicks scouted ability within the context of mentality and play style.

I like what they did with Dadiet and the draft in general. They had the gamblers mentality that guys they liked in Kolek and McCullars would drop, and they took Dadiet, maybe who offers the least RIGHT NOW, because their intel told them he'd get picked up before Kolek, but in the future he might be the best of all of them.

Dadiet has that same "do what it takes, be effective without the ball, understand the whole floor, commit to defense" DNA that the Villanova guys have, that OG has, that the other draft picks have. That was behind the IQ and Grimes picks as well.

Ok, I get that Kolek and probably Rokas aren't stellar defenders, but in that part of the draft Knicks were looking to hit on most of the markers and understand might not get all.

With Dadiet they took that gamble on upside. He's just turned 19. He could spend two years at "Knicks University", be deemed ready by Thibs, and still be about the age that IQ was drafted at, and the Knicks figured IQ needed a year or two after to further develop.

In the meantime, Kolek and McCullars will contribute in some way. Possibly Rokas as well.

I think the Knicks got a steal with McCullars. He's like a very lightweight version of the Porter Jr situation, where a good player drops due to injury concerns. I think he'll bring every good thing that Grimes brought. Probably see less of it because Bridges/OG/Donte/Hart kind of in the way, but OG will inevitably miss 40 games and there will be minutes.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#246 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:07 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:As good as Kolek passing is, his defense is just as terrible.

Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


We field rotations with varying degrees of defensive contributions.

If Julius, I Just Don't Feel Like Putting My Hands Up with 90 Seconds Left in the Game, Randle can play, then Tyler Kolek will play.


Thibs say “No”.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#247 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:08 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:As good as Kolek passing is, his defense is just as terrible.

Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


Deuce took 3 years to develop. Quick was better from day 1 but didn’t take his jump until year 3. It be a little ambitious to think that Kolek would be ready to go for 10-15 mins a night on a team that should be a top 5 team.

His playmaking has been really impressive and it’s only going to look better when he’s surrounded with real nba shooters but he’s a little too unselfish. Not sure how much confidence he has in his floater cuz there’s def been several times each game that he’s passed one up for a pass that ended up a possession with a worse shot. It’s just his first 4 professional games and I’m sure he’ll get better but there’s some development work that needs to be done.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#248 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:13 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:As good as Kolek passing is, his defense is just as terrible.

Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


Deuce took 3 years to develop. Quick was better from day 1 but didn’t take his jump until year 3. It be a little ambitious to think that Kolek would be ready to go for 10-15 mins a night on a team that should be a top 5 team.

His playmaking has been really impressive and it’s only going to look better when he’s surrounded with real nba shooters but he’s a little too unselfish. Not sure how much confidence he has in his floater cuz there’s def been several times each game that he’s passed one up for a pass that ended up a possession with a worse shot. It’s just his first 4 professional games and I’m sure he’ll get better but there’s some development work that needs to be done.


Terry Johnson is the reason Tyler Kolek won’t be playing. We played playoff games with Deuce as our starting PG. People here who think Kolek will play over TJ are bugging.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#249 » by NYKinMIA » Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:28 pm

I've never been more disappointed in this fan base in all my years! :noway:

exactly 15 hours later and not one video compilation of all Kolek plays last night. :nonono:
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#250 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:32 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Exactly. He’s not getting the playing time that he fanboys here think he is. :lol:


Deuce took 3 years to develop. Quick was better from day 1 but didn’t take his jump until year 3. It be a little ambitious to think that Kolek would be ready to go for 10-15 mins a night on a team that should be a top 5 team.

His playmaking has been really impressive and it’s only going to look better when he’s surrounded with real nba shooters but he’s a little too unselfish. Not sure how much confidence he has in his floater cuz there’s def been several times each game that he’s passed one up for a pass that ended up a possession with a worse shot. It’s just his first 4 professional games and I’m sure he’ll get better but there’s some development work that needs to be done.


Terry Johnson and s the reason Tyler Kolek won’t be playing. We played playoff games with Deuce as our starting PG. People here who think Kolek will play over TJ are bugging.

who tf is terry johnson tho
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#251 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:40 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Deuce took 3 years to develop. Quick was better from day 1 but didn’t take his jump until year 3. It be a little ambitious to think that Kolek would be ready to go for 10-15 mins a night on a team that should be a top 5 team.

His playmaking has been really impressive and it’s only going to look better when he’s surrounded with real nba shooters but he’s a little too unselfish. Not sure how much confidence he has in his floater cuz there’s def been several times each game that he’s passed one up for a pass that ended up a possession with a worse shot. It’s just his first 4 professional games and I’m sure he’ll get better but there’s some development work that needs to be done.


Terry Johnson is the reason Tyler Kolek won’t be playing. We played playoff games with Deuce as our starting PG. People here who think Kolek will play over TJ are bugging.

who tf is terry johnson tho


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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#252 » by FrozenEnvelope » Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:43 pm

Kolek is going to play his way into the rotation this season.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Skapintsev does the same. I really like what I've seen from this kid and we know Thibs is a fan too.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#253 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
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Terry Johnson is the reason Tyler Kolek won’t be playing. We played playoff games with Deuce as our starting PG. People here who think Kolek will play over TJ are bugging.

who tf is terry johnson tho


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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#254 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:16 pm

DaGawd wrote:i’m starting to really like the skapintsev kid… he’s fundamentally sound, probably more ready to contribute than hukporti

Skap looks like he knows what he's doing out there.

Hukporti has an NBA body. Give him a couple years.
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Re: GT: Knicks v Pistons - Fri July 19, 7:00pm ET ESPN2 

Post#255 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:21 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:I feel like Dadiet has a certain amount of Michael Beasley about him.


Honestly, he reminds me more of OG. His defense on man looked really good...
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