NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries.

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Do you agree with Embiid?

Yes, dude has GOAT talent, and injuries robbed him of that opportunity.
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No, regardless of health, he would not have a shot at being the GOAT.
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#61 » by Tor_Raps » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:21 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Healthy embiid definitely could have been on the level with the great big men like Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem and soon to be Jokic but sadly we'll never know.

Those injuries forced him to change his game and become the soft/flopper who throws cheapshots instead. GOAT talks were probably always off-limits.
I disagree and I don't believe Joel Embiid is close to their talent. Injuries to me haven't been Embiid's issue as much as teammates have been. Ben Simmon was a negative anchor and so was James Harden. More so Ben useless Simmons.

Did you even watch Hakeem, Duncan, or Shaq play?

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Saw them all play... Duncan's my favourite player of all time. Dude has been made out of glass and hasn't been able to improve his game/conditioning because of it (assumption obviously).

The skill level he's shown is up there with everyone but it's hard to say anything definitively here. Maybe he would have underachieved if he remains healthy so who knows.
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#62 » by Karate Diop » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:33 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:Embiid with perfect health still doesn't have enough heart or grit.

I mean he’s played through severe injuries. Idk. His face was falling off and he had a 50 point playoff game


And then every time when things are at their most difficult he folds and finds a scapegoat...
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#63 » by skibicki » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:37 pm

Patrick Ewing was a better player than Embid. I grew up a Knicks fan and there games are kinda similar except pat is a better defender. There are very few quality big men nowadays too so embids stats are inflated. That saidm his teams also have no success in the playoffs, always underachieving. Ewings Knicks made it to the finals and the only reason they didnt go more is because they ran into Jordan, Pippen and crew
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#64 » by Clav » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:56 pm

He needs to get healthy to prove it. Otherwise IF not healthy; Then not GOAT. Show us GOAT-like basketball results, like 4 NBA Finals series wins, then we can talk about GOAT-level greatness. A MVP during the RS does not make one GOAT.

Embiid's current Finals appearances:
NBA Finals: 0 appearances, 0 wins, 0 losses
Conf Finals: 0 appearances, 0 wins, 0 losses
Conf SFs: 5 appearances/5 series losses [29-GP/32 Games total], 11 wins, 18 losses, 3 DNP
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#65 » by MrBigShot » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:00 pm

Absolutely no chance in hell. Joel was not some sort of freak all time athlete pre-injury. He has maximized his talent at this point, he just hasn't maximized his playoff success due to being injured and hobbled during the post season.
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Post#66 » by AleksandarN » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:01 pm

eyeatoma wrote:This will probably get a lot of hate, because it's Joel, and he's the internet's favorite whipping boy, but I think I'd agree, that he is that talented, and in a vacuum can produce that well, that yes he could have been, or would have had a shot.

People will say playoffs, but just like Embiid said, he's been hurt every playoffs except for during the bubble, but there was no Simmons on that team, and Embiid was not his MVP self at that point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/magazine/joel-embiid-interview.html

Here's a detailed summary of the interview with Joel Embiid:

**Choosing Team USA over France**

* Embiid has dual citizenship (Canadian and American) and also feels connected to Cameroon (his birthplace).
* He felt pressured by France to play for them and ultimately chose the USA because he'd spent more time there and felt comfortable with their approach of letting him take his time with the decision.
* He expressed frustration with the historical and current relationship between France and Cameroon, which influenced his decision.

**Finding balance between seriousness and fun**

* Embiid acknowledges being a goofier and less serious player in the past, especially on Twitter.
* Having a son changed his perspective, making him want to be a better role model and take basketball more seriously.
* He highlights the importance of focus and preparation for winning.

**Struggles in Philadelphia**

* Embiid has dealt with multiple coaching changes, player turnover, and injuries during his time with the 76ers.
* He blames himself partly for not winning a championship due to injuries and not always performing at his peak.
* He emphasizes the value of continuity and stability, which the 76ers haven't always had.
* Despite the frustrations, Embiid expresses his love for Philadelphia and seems open to staying there long-term. (He jokingly says he doesn't eat cheesesteaks, though!)

**Grieving his brother's death and its impact**

* Losing his brother at a young age was a life-changing experience for Embiid.
* It made him value family more and appreciate life beyond basketball.
* He shared his unique way of honoring his brother by wanting to have four children (because three felt like an incomplete number).

**Mental health and competitive drive**

* Embiid avoids using the term "depression" but acknowledges feeling down after his injury last season.
* He expresses a belief in mental health but struggles with admitting vulnerability due to his background.
* Despite challenges, Embiid maintains a strong competitive spirit that fuels his desire to win.

**Expectations for the Olympics**

* Embiid anticipates boos from French fans but welcomes the challenge.
* He acknowledges the talent on the US team but also recognizes that some players, like LeBron James, are not at their peak anymore.
* There's a chance for other teams to compete for the gold.

**Self-belief and greatest-of-all-time conversation**

* Embiid believes his injuries have prevented him from being part of the greatest-of-all-time conversation for basketball players.
* He acknowledges the "hot take" potential of his statement but stands by it based on his accomplishments and what could have been.
* He emphasizes that his understanding of life being bigger than basketball doesn't prevent him from giving his all and striving to win while he plays.


Thoughts?

Do you tend to agree with Embiid?

Take all the hate out, and just go with sheer talent and ability, as well as what he's been able to produce when he's absolutely healthy.

Obviously titles would have to come with it, but peak Embiid would have as good a shot as any of the top 10 in being the goat IMO.


I agree the goat of the fts. No one comes close to his grifting
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#67 » by Wallace_Wallace » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:27 pm

Without that friendly whistle in FIBA, he looks more like a lamb in an USA uniform even with the avengers as his teammates.
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Post#68 » by kenwood3333 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:42 pm

Even without the injuries, Embiid doesn't have the mental toughness that many great players have.
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Post#69 » by Bush4Ever » Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:48 pm

It's not like he's been injured his entire career.

You can carve out his per-game/minute performance and extrapolate it to a normal career (as it relates to health), and he clearly wouldn't measure up.

If he was winning two or three rings out of four or five healthy seasons while putting up MVP performances, that would be a more interesting question to speculate on. But he hasn't even turned in GOAT material during the periods of time he was healthy.
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Post#70 » by BobbyPortisEyes » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:00 pm

"I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either?"
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#71 » by Sweet Serenity » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:03 pm

I’ve never seen an athlete get more excuses than Embiid gets.
He’s played 59 playoff games & only missed 8. Every player is somewhat banged up come playoff time, why should Embiid get the same excuse ?


He’ll be lucky to crack the top 50 when it’s all said & done.
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#72 » by xb3at band1tx » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:07 pm

has this dude ever had a healthy post-season?

feels like he produces career playoff lows year after year

everybody gets banged up in the offs' even the greats, don't think the injury stuff should be an excuse for JoJo
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#73 » by ReddoverKobe » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:12 pm

skibicki wrote:Patrick Ewing was a better player than Embid. I grew up a Knicks fan and there games are kinda similar except pat is a better defender. There are very few quality big men nowadays too so embids stats are inflated. That saidm his teams also have no success in the playoffs, always underachieving. Ewings Knicks made it to the finals and the only reason they didnt go more is because they ran into Jordan, Pippen and crew


Also, talk about a what if for injuries. Check out GT Ewing without the knee braces. Guy was a damn monster
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Post#74 » by reload141 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:35 pm

Doesn’t have the mental toughness even when he is healthy.

Seems like he just loves the RS and mails it in when it matters come Playoffs.

Making excuses like this now when you’re still playing just screams insecurity
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Post#75 » by Inspektor1312 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:46 pm

this dude needs to hire a different PR lmao
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#76 » by Snakebites » Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:52 pm

He doesn’t have a goat case even in the imaginary world where injuries don’t impact him.

But I put this in the same category as KD: defintely not a Goat candidate but if I were him I’d probably think I was too. When you’re that good at something the ego takes hold.

So I think. I dunno. I’m not THAT good at anything.
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Post#77 » by ___Rand___ » Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:01 pm

Joel, you are lacking two things to ever sniff it: emotional maturity and WORK ETHIC.
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Post#78 » by xb3at band1tx » Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:17 pm

Sweet Serenity wrote:I’ve never seen an athlete get more excuses than Embiid gets.
He’s played 59 playoff games & only missed 8. Every player is somewhat banged up come playoff time, why should Embiid get the same excuse ?


He’ll be lucky to crack the top 50 when it’s all said & done.

Yep, thats a large sample size now.

He has yet to show that extra gear all the current greats have in the post-season.
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Post#79 » by SerialChiller » Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:54 pm

GOATs show up in the playoffs and don't rely on non stop flopping. He talks so much without backing it up and is a pretty dirty player as well. Hell NO!
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Re: NY Times: Joel Embiid thinks he could have been the GOAT if it weren't for injuries. 

Post#80 » by AleksandarN » Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:11 am

eyeatoma wrote:
jc23 wrote:his injury history is not bad luck; he just doesnt have the body built to play 82 games and then a deep post season.



Having a paralysed face is because his body isn't built right?

Having someone land on your knee is somehow his fault?

Having someone smash their shoulder (1st time) and elbow (second time) in your eye socket is not bad luck, and his an indictment on his body lol?

Was it health that prevented Embiid to play in Denver every year?

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