Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[zaz102]

Hate to be that guy, but I feel like people are really trying to squeeze blood out of a stone with KJ Martin.

[Monix]

Hate to be that guy, but I feel like people are really trying to squeeze blood out of a stone with KJ Martin.

He's got more of a track record than just last year, which was his worst as a pro. When he's played regularly he's put up decent numbers, granted it was on bad Houston teams. His career numbers in 60+ career starts aren't far from the empty calories that Harris was barfing out there last season.

If Nurse can get him to buy into a defined rotation role, anticipating that he could contribute during the regular season is not far fetched.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Yeah, I personally think a lot of you are sleeping on both Council and KJ this upcoming season. I have a different opinion on both of them as players and how I think they can impact this team. I'm also in no way interested in arguing about that difference of opinion. Congrats to those who don't think they can help this team. I disagree.

[youngcrev]

As things stand I would predict:


Maxey(34)/Lowry(14)
Caleb(28)/Gordon(20)
Oubre(30)/Council(18)
George(32)/KJ(16)
Embiid(32)/Drummond(16)


The last 2 signings will likely be veteran forwards to compete with Council and KJ for minutes. Eventually, whoever we trade KJ for should soak up a decent role to take even more pressure off our starting 5.

This looks sort of correct in a world where you only play guys at a single position (with the slight change that they seem to be outwardly putting out that Oubre is the 2, George is the 3, and Martin is the 4, but that's basically meaningless).

I imagine Lowry and Gordon see more minutes than that, and KJ and Council see less, and McCain probably squeaks in there. I'm guessing see some 3 guard lineups, and that Martin/Oubre/George will eat up the majority of the minutes and the 3 and the 4, even if one of them gets slotted as a 2 with the starters.

Yea the positions are just placeholders. Tough to predict the minutes for KJ and Council but I'd rather do that than overwhelm the big 3, given what we're trying to accomplish in the post-season. I think it's crucial we turn KJ into a big forward who can play 24-28 MPG.

Yeah, getting a starting caliber big forward feels like the biggest hole at the moment. Maybe priorities change if Lowry/Gordon look cooked and McCain doesn't look ready.

As of now I think Martin and Council are basically competing with each other for what amounts to about a 12-15 minute role off the bench when healthy.

[NearingZero]

Spoiler:

I think the top 5 and Drummond will get their usual minutes per last year's numbers-

Embiid (34) / Drummond (14)
George (34) & Martin (27)
Maxey (38) & Oubre (30)


That leaves 63 minutes left. If Gordon and Lowry get similar minutes as last year, we are looking at-

Gordon (28)
Lowry (28)


That leaves 7 minutes left. Note this doesnt include the other two roster spots or the player they end up trading KJ for. I think in order for the other guys to get time, the vets will need to be struggling/resting or they need to put teams away early. I'm sure both will happen during the season, but the young guys will really need to step up to get their chances. I think for all of them is pretty easy-

For Ricky and McCain (and KJ), hit your shots, play OK defense, and dont be a bonehead. For Bona, be the energy big without committing too many fouls. If they are able to do so, they're time will increase.

But if we're being realistic, there really is not a lot of time on this team for young guys and they will probably have even more talent on the roster come playoff time.

I don't expect Lowry + Gordon to get 50+ minutes combined on a regular basis. More like 40. That leaves enough for Council & one more signing to see regular minutes.

Although I think Nurse has a reputation for going with a shorter rotation, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to see them go 10-deep most nights (assuming one more solid signing).

We all thought Lowry wouldn't get those minutes either and he ended up averaging 29 minutes in the playoffs. I think both Gordon and Lowry will be playing more minute than people think (20+).

Also, we're still not counting the two other roster spots or whoever they end up trading KJ for. So even we end up cutting Gordon's and Lowry's time in half, that gives you about 35 minutes for 7 players.

I imagine the player that KJ is traded for is going to be a legit player and it's possible that one of the Vet Min slots or a Buy out market player might be a legit player as well that mill get most of that time. Let's say they get 25 mins.

Player traded for KJ (15)
Vet Min Vet/Buy Out Market Player (10)

That leaves 10 mins for the rest.
Vet Min Vet
Vet Min Vet
RC4
McCain
Bona

I just don't see a world where the young guys are going to get legitimate burn outside of when the vets are resting, injured or garbage time. They'll really have to make the best out of that time to impress and beat out the vets listed above.

Lowry played big minutes in the playoffs because Melton could never get healthy and Hield never clicked with the Embiid lineups. It was done out of desperation. If this year's team is healthy and he's still getting 25+ regular season minutes, then I don't know wtf is going on.

I already said that Council should get minutes before the KJ trade. All bets are off for what minutes distribution will look like once that goes down because we have no idea what caliber of player we'll be able to get or what role they'll take. Or who is going out in that trade other than KJ (if anyone).

[zaz102]

I don't expect Lowry + Gordon to get 50+ minutes combined on a regular basis. More like 40. That leaves enough for Council & one more signing to see regular minutes.

Although I think Nurse has a reputation for going with a shorter rotation, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to see them go 10-deep most nights (assuming one more solid signing).

We all thought Lowry wouldn't get those minutes either and he ended up averaging 29 minutes in the playoffs. I think both Gordon and Lowry will be playing more minute than people think (20+).

Also, we're still not counting the two other roster spots or whoever they end up trading KJ for. So even we end up cutting Gordon's and Lowry's time in half, that gives you about 35 minutes for 7 players.

I imagine the player that KJ is traded for is going to be a legit player and it's possible that one of the Vet Min slots or a Buy out market player might be a legit player as well that mill get most of that time. Let's say they get 25 mins.

Player traded for KJ (15)
Vet Min Vet/Buy Out Market Player (10)

That leaves 10 mins for the rest.
Vet Min Vet
Vet Min Vet
RC4
McCain
Bona

I just don't see a world where the young guys are going to get legitimate burn outside of when the vets are resting, injured or garbage time. They'll really have to make the best out of that time to impress and beat out the vets listed above.

Lowry played big minutes in the playoffs because Melton could never get healthy and Hield never clicked with the Embiid lineups. It was done out of desperation. If this year's team is healthy and he's still getting 25+ regular season minutes, then I don't know wtf is going on.

I already said that Council should get minutes before the KJ trade. All bets are off for what minutes distribution will look like once that goes down because we have no idea what caliber of player we'll be able to get or what role they'll take. Or who is going out in that trade other than KJ (if anyone).

I agree Council should and will most likely get the most minutes of the young guys. Hopefully he earns a spot in the rotation.


I think come playoff time, it will depend if Gordon is making shots and/or if one of the guy's they get stepped up. Obviously, they don't have a Melton this year, so as of right now they still lack the depth.

Embiid --> Embiid
Maxey --> Maxey
Harris --> George
Oubre --> Oubre
Batum --> C. Martin
Reed --> Drummond

Here's where it gets dicey...

Lowry --> ?
Hield/Payne --> Gordon

I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like there's still a chance that Lowry plays 20+ minutes. I think he will at least get all of the minutes that Maxey is off the floor (12+).

We have to hope that Council, KJ's trade piece, or one of the other vets earn those other minutes. I think it's likely, but I don't think Council has proved himself yet and obviously the other options haven't presented themselves yet. If we get that player and are able to get another legit option in case of Gordon getting cold or something, then we'll be in business.

[NearingZero]

Spoiler:

We all thought Lowry wouldn't get those minutes either and he ended up averaging 29 minutes in the playoffs. I think both Gordon and Lowry will be playing more minute than people think (20+).

Also, we're still not counting the two other roster spots or whoever they end up trading KJ for. So even we end up cutting Gordon's and Lowry's time in half, that gives you about 35 minutes for 7 players.

I imagine the player that KJ is traded for is going to be a legit player and it's possible that one of the Vet Min slots or a Buy out market player might be a legit player as well that mill get most of that time. Let's say they get 25 mins.

Player traded for KJ (15)
Vet Min Vet/Buy Out Market Player (10)

That leaves 10 mins for the rest.
Vet Min Vet
Vet Min Vet
RC4
McCain
Bona

I just don't see a world where the young guys are going to get legitimate burn outside of when the vets are resting, injured or garbage time. They'll really have to make the best out of that time to impress and beat out the vets listed above.

Lowry played big minutes in the playoffs because Melton could never get healthy and Hield never clicked with the Embiid lineups. It was done out of desperation. If this year's team is healthy and he's still getting 25+ regular season minutes, then I don't know wtf is going on.

I already said that Council should get minutes before the KJ trade. All bets are off for what minutes distribution will look like once that goes down because we have no idea what caliber of player we'll be able to get or what role they'll take. Or who is going out in that trade other than KJ (if anyone).

I agree Council should and will most likely get the most minutes of the young guys. Hopefully he earns a spot in the rotation.


I think come playoff time, it will depend if Gordon is making shots and/or if one of the guy's they get stepped up. Obviously, they don't have a Melton this year, so as of right now they still lack the depth.

Embiid --> Embiid
Maxey --> Maxey
Harris --> George
Oubre --> Oubre
Batum --> C. Martin
Reed --> Drummond

Here's where it gets dicey...

Lowry --> ?
Hield/Payne --> Gordon

I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like there's still a chance that Lowry plays 20+ minutes. I think he will at least get all of the minutes that Maxey is off the floor (12+).

We have to hope that Council, KJ's trade piece, or one of the other vets earn those other minutes. I think it's likely, but I don't think Council has proved himself yet and obviously the other options haven't presented themselves yet. If we get that player and are able to get another legit option in case of Gordon getting cold or something, then we'll be in business.

Playoff minutes are a different story, for sure. In a critical game where they never get a big lead, here's about what I'm expecting:

48 Embiid + Drummond
48 Maxey + Lowry
40 PG
36 Martin
36 Oubre

That leaves 32 minutes that can hopefully be covered by Gordon and the KJ trade. Obviously, injuries, somebody playing below expectations, or foul trouble would cause a minutes deficit, and Lowry might end up being the one to fill it (especially if Council doesn't establish himself as a contributor).

[Jhawk03]

Yeah, I personally think a lot of you are sleeping on both Council and KJ this upcoming season. I have a different opinion on both of them as players and how I think they can impact this team. I'm also in no way interested in arguing about that difference of opinion. Congrats to those who don't think they can help this team. I disagree.

The receipts should come in handy over the next few months, but I doubt the retractors will own up if your'e right about their impact... considering KJ can't be pinned down with any real conviction one way or the other based on the posts, Council is probably more favorable of the two when making a projection for this season.

[ankle420breaker]

Marcus Morris is a needed depth guy at PF who fits like a glove. Philly native who shouldn't cost more than the minimum. Thinking he's holding out for an outside chance at more $ but planning to sign with us if nothing better materializes.

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[oldschool1]

How about JT Thor ( 6' 9"; 7"3" wingspan) South Sudan Olympian who hit the corner 3 that almost beat the US team yesterday? Three years professional experience. Only 22 years old. Three years pro experience with a dysfunctional franchise like Charlotte.

[sixers hoops]

Hate to be that guy, but I feel like people are really trying to squeeze blood out of a stone with KJ Martin.

He's got more of a track record than just last year, which was his worst as a pro. When he's played regularly he's put up decent numbers, granted it was on bad Houston teams. His career numbers in 60+ career starts aren't far from the empty calories that Harris was barfing out there last season.

If Nurse can get him to buy into a defined rotation role, anticipating that he could contribute during the regular season is not far fetched.

I think he could possibly work his way into the rotation, but I think the talk of him starting is crazy. It was only one person, but I think him working his way into the rotation is a more realistic goal for him.

[sixers hoops]

Marcus Morris is a needed depth guy at PF who fits like a glove. Philly native who shouldn't cost more than the minimum. Thinking he's holding out for an outside chance at more $ but planning to sign with us if nothing better materializes.

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I’m higher on him than most. I hope he comes here.

[PhillyFan11]

Cedi Osman is still out there…wouldn’t be the worst forward addition. 6’7 above average 3 point shooter that will give high effort on D. Could eat up 15 mins off the bench in the regular season adequately

[sixers hoops]

Cedi Osman is still out there…wouldn’t be the worst forward addition. 6’7 above average 3 point shooter that will give high effort on D. Could eat up 15 mins off the bench in the regular season adequately

Looking at the best available, he wouldn’t be at the top but he would be in the mix. I assume they are prob waiting on a few top targets. Most of the better players left would struggle to beat out Gordon, Lowry, etc for minutes. A lot of the older guys have little in the tank. I don’t think Walker, Tyus, or Kennard are realistic options, but obvious talents for vet minimum.

Lonnie Walker IV (prob wants a bigger role than we can offer)
Tyus Jones (prob can get a better situation elsewhere, but I guess an option)
Luke Kennard (repeatedly going back to Memphis)
Isaac Okoro (restricted, so not an option)
Precious Achiuwa (Knicks should be able to offer more)
Spencer Dinwiddie
Marcus Morris
Cede Osman
Gordon Hayward
Jae Crowder
Robert Covington
Reggie Bullock
Jordan Nwora
Markelle Fultz
Evan Fournier
Doug McDermott
Davis Bertans
Talen Horton-Tucker
Danilo Gallinari
Dennis Smith Jr
Patty Mills
Landry Shameet
Oshae Brissett
Justin Holiday
Danuel House

[Foshan]

How about JT Thor ( 6' 9"; 7"3" wingspan) South Sudan Olympian who hit the corner 3 that almost beat the US team yesterday? Three years professional experience. Only 22 years old. Three years pro experience with a dysfunctional franchise like Charlotte.

I like Morris a bit better, but would be very happy with JT Thor, wanted him as a project the year he came out, looks like he is still fighting to improve. I’d be game, give him a hinkie special kinda deal to grow on the bench.

[TYO23]

Would really like us to sign a big wing that could play the 4 soon.

[zaz102]

Would really like us to sign a big wing that could play the 4 soon.

I feel the opposite. I feel like there aren't a lot of great options at the minimum right now. I'd rather they go for the big wing at the deadline using KJ's salary and draft capital.

For now, I hope they sign the best guys they can at the minimum, regardless of position.

[Embiid P]

How about JT Thor ( 6' 9"; 7"3" wingspan) South Sudan Olympian who hit the corner 3 that almost beat the US team yesterday? Three years professional experience. Only 22 years old. Three years pro experience with a dysfunctional franchise like Charlotte.

I like Morris a bit better, but would be very happy with JT Thor, wanted him as a project the year he came out, looks like he is still fighting to improve. I’d be game, give him a hinkie special kinda deal to grow on the bench.

I'm torn. On one hand, we need youth, length and athleticism which Thor provides but on the other we also need toughness and experience which is obviously Morris. If I had to chose one or the other though, it would be Thor just because of his name lol.

[PhillyFan11]

Cedi Osman is still out there…wouldn’t be the worst forward addition. 6’7 above average 3 point shooter that will give high effort on D. Could eat up 15 mins off the bench in the regular season adequately

Looking at the best available, he wouldn’t be at the top but he would be in the mix. I assume they are prob waiting on a few top targets. Most of the better players left would struggle to beat out Gordon, Lowry, etc for minutes. A lot of the older guys have little in the tank. I don’t think Walker, Tyus, or Kennard are realistic options, but obvious talents for vet minimum.

Lonnie Walker IV (prob wants a bigger role than we can offer)
Tyus Jones (prob can get a better situation elsewhere, but I guess an option)
Luke Kennard (repeatedly going back to Memphis)
Isaac Okoro (restricted, so not an option)
Precious Achiuwa (Knicks should be able to offer more)
Spencer Dinwiddie
Marcus Morris
Cede Osman
Gordon Hayward
Jae Crowder
Robert Covington
Reggie Bullock
Jordan Nwora
Markelle Fultz
Evan Fournier
Doug McDermott
Davis Bertans
Talen Horton-Tucker
Danilo Gallinari
Dennis Smith Jr
Patty Mills
Landry Shameet
Oshae Brissett
Justin Holiday
Danuel House

Yeah I think it more or less has to be a forward tho doesn’t it? I’d love Tyus, Dinwiddie or Walker, but we are already going with a small starting lineup and have 5 bench guys in Lowry, Gordon, Council, McCain, and Downtin that all play guard (guess you can count Council as a 3).
I know Osman isn’t exactly a PF, but the pickings are slim of guys over 6’6. I fully expect Morris to come back, but I believe there would still be 1 more spot and Osman wouldn’t be the worst option. Maybe McBuckets too.

[Black Mage]

Dowtin given our 3rd and final 2-way deal.