Evan Mobley signs 5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs

[Yallbecrazy]

Him and Wagner I don’t agree with giving the max(and yes I would say this if Jalen green got it too)

Mobley’s pretty great defensively but I just don’t now about his offense

So what about Barnes?

Barnes has been the best in the draft class thus far. Now whether he'll stay there remains up for debate.

Sengun says hi, he's also younger than the other 4 by a year and was the best of the bunch last season.

[basketballRob]

It feels like every high end role player is getting 200 mil when the team is not a winner.
I just keep thinking about Lakers not wanting to pay Shaq after 4 straight finals and a 3 peat lol.
Different times..

I remember people freaking out about Klay getting 4/70 in 2014. Guys are gonna be making that in a single season soon.

You can still read the Twitter comments when the Warriors fans were freaking out over giving Steph 4-yrs $44m.

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[srhcan]

Him and Wagner I don’t agree with giving the max(and yes I would say this if Jalen green got it too)

Mobley’s pretty great defensively but I just don’t now about his offense

League thinks Barnes, Wagner, Cade and Mobley are same level players so they all got max. We will see if this turns out to be true.

But the funny thing is that the 2nd best player so far from that draft class, Sengun, has not got max yet.

We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

[bisme37]

With these huge rookie extensions I try to remember they aren't paying the player for the last few years. The new contract is paying him for the next 5 years. It's not a reward for past play, it's an educated bet from the franchise that the player will be worth that amount over the length of his new extension.

[JonFromVA]

League thinks Barnes, Wagner, Cade and Mobley are same level players so they all got max. We will see if this turns out to be true.

But the funny thing is that the 2nd best player so far from that draft class, Sengun, has not got max yet.

We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

Look what happened with Van Vleet last season just because Houston had to spend money?

If free agency worked for teams like Cleveland, Toronto, Detroit, Orlando, etc, they might look at this as simply a dollars .vs. talent situation, but they can't. A successful team needs high-end talent, and there are limited ways to add that to a roster. Overpaying is a no brainer.

[Jadoogar]

Contracts in the NBA today make no damn sense..

I would think, or rather "hope", that teams wise up in a few years when they finally feel the hurt by constantly going over the 2nd tax apron due to constantly offering role players max contracts like they're candy.

You have to pay someone. If you don't Mobley, someone else will and then Cleveland is SOL.

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[Jadoogar]

Oh, lord. Every max extension thread this season has become a Barnes is better thread.

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Lol the first comment to derail the thread was actually "Barnes is worse"

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[PD28]

Oh, lord. Every max extension thread this season has become a Barnes is better thread.

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Lol the first comment to derail the thread was actually "Barnes is worse"

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Reading comprehension is hard.

[Chuck Everett]

Mobley would look a lot better with less selfish guard play. His second act will be better than his first. Trae Young would kill to play with a big like him.

[JonFromVA]

My stab at a decision tree.

Decision Tree for Offering a Rookie Max Extension

1. Evaluate Player Performance and Potential
- Assess player's statistics and game impact
- Review accolades such as All-Star appearances, awards, etc.
- Project growth trajectory

2. Assess Health and Durability
- Review player's injury history
- Evaluate player's physical condition and durability

3. Consider Team Fit and Needs
- Determine player's compatibility with team's core
- Assess player's role in the team's strategy
- Evaluate the importance of the player to the team's future plans

4. Analyze Market Value and Comparisons
- Compare with similar players' contracts
- Examine current market trends
- Project future salary cap increases

5. Evaluate Financial Implications
- Analyze impact on team’s salary cap
- Consider potential luxury tax penalties
- Fit of the contract into long-term financial strategy

6. Determine Contract Structure
- Decide on potential incentives and options
- Consider performance-based incentives
- Evaluate trade kickers and other clauses

7. Conduct Risk Assessment
- Assess worst-case scenarios (e.g., player not developing as expected)
- Consider significant injury risks

8. Seek Ownership and Stakeholder Approval
- Present the decision to team ownership
- Align with key stakeholders on the investment
- Ensure all parties agree on the implications for the team’s future

Decision:
- Offer Rookie Max Extension
- Do Not Offer Rookie Max Extension

My stab:

1) Consider what the player might bring your franchise if he continues to improve.
2) Consider the risk of what you might lose if you piss him and his agent off.
3) Consider what you can trade him for if you max him and then decide to move him.

Decision:
- Not much of one.

If he was a free agent next season, other teams would've lined up to offer him the max. After watching him against Orlando in the playoffs, I think his best position is center.

There's a lot of teams/players that Evan can play C against, but he's still just 215lbs going up against guys who are typically 230 to 280, so it would take a toll.

We'll have to see if he was able to add some more strength this off season. If he could get up close to 230, that would help, but he'd still be short of Allen who gets pushed around at times at 243.

[Tor_Raps]

So what about Barnes?

Barnes has been the best in the draft class thus far. Now whether he'll stay there remains up for debate.

Sengun says hi, he's also younger than the other 4 by a year and was the best of the bunch last season.

Ya I should have said debateably. Sengun has a case for that title thus far too.

[Ballerhogger]

You have to wonder how impactful the 2nd apron will be in 2 years and with all these max deals

[Ballerhogger]

Mobley would look a lot better with less selfish guard play. His second act will be better than his first. Trae Young would kill to play with a big like him.

Trading garland for trea wouldn’t be good idea though

[Chuck Everett]

Mobley would look a lot better with less selfish guard play. His second act will be better than his first. Trae Young would kill to play with a big like him.

Trading garland for trea wouldn’t be good idea though

The issue is Mitchell's playing style. He's heliocentric without the talent nor the size.

[Ballerhogger]

Mobley would look a lot better with less selfish guard play. His second act will be better than his first. Trae Young would kill to play with a big like him.

Trading garland for trea wouldn’t be good idea though

The issue is Mitchell's playing style. He's heliocentric without the talent nor the size.

True but he just signed max so he’s not going anywhere . Plus garland and trea backcourt doesn’t work

[Chuck Everett]

Trading garland for trea wouldn’t be good idea though

The issue is Mitchell's playing style. He's heliocentric without the talent nor the size.

True but he just signed max so he’s not going anywhere . Plus garland and trea backcourt doesn’t work

For sure. I just want Evan out of there.

[srhcan]

We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

Look what happened with Van Vleet last season just because Houston had to spend money?

If free agency worked for teams like Cleveland, Toronto, Detroit, Orlando, etc, they might look at this as simply a dollars .vs. talent situation, but they can't. A successful team needs high-end talent, and there are limited ways to add that to a roster. Overpaying is a no brainer.

you are missing the context. We are only talking about the players from a draft class who are now eligible to sign their first contract after being drafted and play 3 seasons.

[Iwasawitness]

A discount relative to Barnes.

Mobley is less accomplished he should get less.

Technically this is false. While Barnes does have the all star nod, Mobley’s made first team all defense, was a DPOY finalist and has made it to the second round of the playoffs. Barnes has been better, but Mobleys accomplished more.

[John Murdoch]

Rui+Knecht+JHS+1st for Allen

Kinda makes sense for both now if Mobly goes to the 5 fulltime

[HotelVitale]

League thinks Barnes, Wagner, Cade and Mobley are same level players so they all got max. We will see if this turns out to be true.

But the funny thing is that the 2nd best player so far from that draft class, Sengun, has not got max yet.

We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

Yeah I think that’s mostly right, and the teams also want to lock them up to keep their team direction and strategy clear for everyone involved so they can plan around it. (coaches, FO, other players who might come in). So I think Jon is off here—no player has ever left a team that really wanted to keep him in RFA and I don’t think teams really fear that or agents threats about it (if those happen). There’s also no reason for a guy who might get a max to sign an early extension if it’s not for a max too, I think that’s a factor. Teams get to have their core locked in and players get to know they got all they could, both sides can stop having to focus on negotiations and can settle into being together for years.