Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[omerome]

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JJJ is the most overrated player in the league. Bruh - please tell me you have seen games of his when he’s been “featured on offense” - shoots like RJ, hands like Nerlens, dribbles like Mitch with confidence like Burks.

FOH bum - I’m ready to support Randle - I’ve been so frustrated with Julius in the past but the level of disrespect towards him is embarrassing.

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Add to the fact that JJJ does not rebound the ball at all. That kills part of what makes our team so great is getting extra possessions.

[epics2002]

go get KAT

No Just no. The mavs abused KAT on pick and roll and got whatever they wanted. He cant switch at all.

[KnixinSix]

August 3rd is a week and a half away. If Randle is not signing an extension this is really going to become big news then.

I highly doubt Rose will let him expire and lose him for nothing if he can get something of half decent value for him.

[DOT]

I mean, I think Jaren Jackson Jr is overrated, but comparing his offensive numbers to Randle's and pretending like he didn't win DPOY 2 years ago and was on 2 consecutive 1st team all defense teams and that his efficiency plummeted because everyone else on the Grizzlies got injured and he had to be a #1 which he clearly isn't is misleading at best.

[Fat Kat]

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[dukeknicksirish]

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Get ready to learn “& the rights to Rokas Jokubaitis” buddy

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Pointless to hold his rights, they could probably get a 2nd from one of the tanking teams

[Capn'O]

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Pointless to hold his rights, they could probably get a 2nd from one of the tanking teams

I'm sure they're looking

It felt like having him in summer league was a showcase.

[thebuzzardman]

Kolek > Jockitchbitus

[aggo]

go get KAT

No Just no. The mavs abused KAT on pick and roll and got whatever they wanted. He cant switch at all.

46% TS

and 12 DNP playoff games

[3toheadmelo]

JJJ is the most overrated player in the league. Bruh - please tell me you have seen games of his when he’s been “featured on offense” - shoots like RJ, hands like Nerlens, dribbles like Mitch with confidence like Burks.

FOH bum - I’m ready to support Randle - I’ve been so frustrated with Julius in the past but the level of disrespect towards him is embarrassing.

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Melo, I also don't know if they realize how oft-injured JJJ is. And this is with Memphis playing him on a minute restriction for the past couple of years. Not to mention that he regressed last year. He may bounce back this year, but I don't trust that.

Some people just hate Randle so much they would want to make the Knicks worse just so Randle isn’t here.

[3toheadmelo]

JJJ is the most overrated player in the league. Bruh - please tell me you have seen games of his when he’s been “featured on offense” - shoots like RJ, hands like Nerlens, dribbles like Mitch with confidence like Burks.

FOH bum - I’m ready to support Randle - I’ve been so frustrated with Julius in the past but the level of disrespect towards him is embarrassing.

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Add to the fact that JJJ does not rebound the ball at all. That kills part of what makes our team so great is getting extra possessions.

Thibs would hate him

[RHODEY]

JJJ is the most overrated player in the league. Bruh - please tell me you have seen games of his when he’s been “featured on offense” - shoots like RJ, hands like Nerlens, dribbles like Mitch with confidence like Burks.

FOH bum - I’m ready to support Randle - I’ve been so frustrated with Julius in the past but the level of disrespect towards him is embarrassing.

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Add to the fact that JJJ does not rebound the ball at all. That kills part of what makes our team so great is getting extra possessions.

It doesn't look like he passes either...To me this tells us just how underated Julius really is. He may not fit on many teams due to style but if he does fit he's a keeper.

[RHODEY]

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Melo, I also don't know if they realize how oft-injured JJJ is. And this is with Memphis playing him on a minute restriction for the past couple of years. Not to mention that he regressed last year. He may bounce back this year, but I don't trust that.

Some people just hate Randle so much they would want to make the Knicks worse just so Randle isn’t here.

True and/or they actually hate the Knicks so much they would want to make the Knicks worse by moving Randle for garbage.

[stuporman]

I guess Knicks FO told Rokas there likely isn't a path to a rotation spot this season but more likely next season.

After Kolek gets a year under his belt and either Deuce or Cam get moved in a deal sometime this year the Knicks will probably more comfortable with a rookie guard instead of two of them this season.

Of course Rokas could be included in a deal himself but he'd be mostly a throw in and not going to fetch what the Knicks used on him by himself even if he's a good prospect.

So spend another season overseas buddy...learn to speak....yiddish?

[Knicksfan1992]

Ultimately if the Knicks do commit to trading Julius either this offseason or at the deadline, they CANNOT trade him for spare parts in the hopes that there's some "addition by subtraction" effect. Again, we saw in high leverage situations that the Knicks without Randle lacked a real threat to create if Brunson didn't have it going at an elite level.

Going into a post season with Brunson, Mikal, DDV and OG as your main creators dooms you to a good but not good enough team IMO.

Looking around the league all of the best teams have 2 guys at the very least who can be deemed a borderline all star level offensive creator:

Boston - Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Holiday
Indiana - Haliburton and Siakam
Philly - Embiid, Maxey and PG
Milwaukee - Giannis and Dame
Cleveland - Mitchell and Garland
Miami - Butler, Bam and Herro

And that's just the East...While Brunson can go toe to toe with all of the 1's in that scenario, Mikal simply just isn't on most of those number 2's or even some of the 3's level on offense. Randle, at his best, can compete with the Maxey's, Siakam's and Brown's of the world offensively. Getting rid of Randle would leave the Knicks with the old saying of "you're showing up to a gun fight with a knife".. You can win but, you would just have to thread so many needles on the margins to make it work at a championship level. While we were able to outwork Philly on the edges, we then would have needed everything to go right just to get a chance to play Boston and that obviously didn't work...

If you move Randle you HAVE to target guys that are on or close to the level of those number 2's and they can't be small because of Brunson. It's a really small group of dudes and that's why I think the Knicks will ultimately just keep Randle and either extend this year (hopefully) or just pinch their nose and give him the big extension next summer and figure it out later. It's the devil you know vs. the one you don't.

A Randle trade that makes sense for both sides is just so complicated and hard to find that I don't think it's a worthwhile exercise right now.

[robillionaire]

Some of these people never watched JJJ play before. Randle > JJJ

Melo, I also don't know if they realize how oft-injured JJJ is. And this is with Memphis playing him on a minute restriction for the past couple of years. Not to mention that he regressed last year. He may bounce back this year, but I don't trust that.

Some people just hate Randle so much they would want to make the Knicks worse just so Randle isn’t here.

Can’t help but wonder why that is. I don’t think they’re genuinely mad about the thumbs down or the slapping laptop thing, both from years ago now. Could be because their favorite kid(many examples) got moved instead of him. But I think more than anything they just don’t want to be wrong after everything they’ve said about him over the years. If we ever did win the championship with him on the roster, I’m quitting work and taking an entire summer off to pull receipts. So they can’t even root for us to win. Sad!

[moocow007]

Ultimately if the Knicks do commit to trading Julius either this offseason or at the deadline, they CANNOT trade him for spare parts in the hopes that there's some "addition by subtraction" effect. Again, we saw in high leverage situations that the Knicks without Randle lacked a real threat to create if Brunson didn't have it going at an elite level.

Going into a post season with Brunson, Mikal, DDV and OG as your main creators dooms you to a good but not good enough team IMO.

Looking around the league all of the best teams have 2 guys at the very least who can be deemed a borderline all star level offensive creator:

Boston - Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Holiday
Indiana - Haliburton and Siakam
Philly - Embiid, Maxey and PG
Milwaukee - Giannis and Dame
Cleveland - Mitchell and Garland
Miami - Butler, Bam and Herro

And that's just the East...While Brunson can go toe to toe with all of the 1's in that scenario, Mikal simply just isn't on most of those number 2's or even some of the 3's level on offense. Randle, at his best, can compete with the Maxey's, Siakam's and Brown's of the world offensively. Getting rid of Randle would leave the Knicks with the old saying of "you're showing up to a gun fight with a knife".. You can win but, you would just have to thread so many needles on the margins to make it work at a championship level. While we were able to outwork Philly on the edges, we then would have needed everything to go right just to get a chance to play Boston and that obviously didn't work...

If you move Randle you HAVE to target guys that are on or close to the level of those number 2's and they can't be small because of Brunson. It's a really small group of dudes and that's why I think the Knicks will ultimately just keep Randle and either extend this year (hopefully) or just pinch their nose and give him the big extension next summer and figure it out later. It's the devil you know vs. the one you don't.

A Randle trade that makes sense for both sides is just so complicated and hard to find that I don't think it's a worthwhile exercise right now.

100% agreed. Some of these trade proposals where the Knicks move Randle and get back a gaggle of bench players is ludicrous. An example was the Knicks moving Randle to Dallas to give the Mavs a "Big 3" and all the'd be getting back is a backup C, a backup PF and a 3rd string SG. And the rationale was even more hilarious. Reason was the Knicks would want to move this cause of the age old "there won't be enough balls and touches for Randle in NY". And yet somehow there'd be balls and touches in Dallas where Doncic and Kyrie touch the ball more than just about anyone else in the NBA.

[spree2kawhi]

I mean, I think Jaren Jackson Jr is overrated, but comparing his offensive numbers to Randle's and pretending like he didn't win DPOY 2 years ago and was on 2 consecutive 1st team all defense teams and that his efficiency plummeted because everyone else on the Grizzlies got injured and he had to be a #1 which he clearly isn't is misleading at best.

Memphis wouldn’t do such a trade. Hope they prove me wrong.

[spree2kawhi]

Melo, I also don't know if they realize how oft-injured JJJ is. And this is with Memphis playing him on a minute restriction for the past couple of years. Not to mention that he regressed last year. He may bounce back this year, but I don't trust that.

Some people just hate Randle so much they would want to make the Knicks worse just so Randle isn’t here.

Can’t help but wonder why that is. I don’t think they’re genuinely mad about the thumbs down or the slapping laptop thing, both from years ago now. Could be because their favorite kid(many examples) got moved instead of him. But I think more than anything they just don’t want to be wrong after everything they’ve said about him over the years. If we ever did win the championship with him on the roster, I’m quitting work and taking an entire summer off to pull receipts. So they can’t even root for us to win. Sad!

I like the guy and also some of the offensive production. I’d simply prefer a sounder, less turnover-prone player and better shooter at that position. I wouldn’t move him for anybody, but for KAT, Lauri+Kessler, Sengun or JJJ (don’t think that’s even an option) I’d listen.