Shams: Spencer Dinwiddie to Dallas

[MavsDirk41]

Dinwiddie is talented, just not talented enough to play the role that suits his skill set. Dinwiddie gives you one thing: off-the dribble shot creation. He gets downhill, operates well in the pick & roll, and is capable of making all kinds of playmaking reads and tough shots.

He just doesn't do it well enough. Zero track record of Dinwiddie being an efficient offensive player. We've seen him in big roles and small. In a big role he can put up numbers, but needs so many possessions to do so. In a smaller role, he's not a good enough shooter (33% on career 3-pointers). He's okay at shooting wide-open 3s (40% over the past 3 years), but really bad at pull ups (31%). This sucks because he loves shooting pull ups and seems less enthusiastic about catch & shoot looks. His defense is also straight up bad in basically every way.

He's an extra ball handler who can soak up possessions if your team is super desperate. I don't see what role he can play on a good offensive team. He's injury insurance for Dallas. He's also 30-years old so it's time to stop waiting for him to get better at anything.

He will start in the backcourt when Irving misses time with injuries and he will get plenty of open 3 point attempts playing alongside Luka. The Mavs have 2 shotblocking centers and good defensive forwards/wings like Washington, Naji, and Grimes. Dallas is a good spot for him. I think he will thrive again like he did a couple years ago.

Kidd got Spencer's user manual. His shooting percentage tanks when guarded, but he is pretty good on open 3s and not afraid of the moment. Once a supposed franchise player after all.

Yea i thought he was going to be the next Gilbert Arenas for a while there. Was way off!

[canada_dry]

Big mouth, small game.

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[xAIRNESSx]

He's kind of washed.

Don't see him playing much.

[KyRo23]

Was shocked at how bad he was last year. He’s only 31 and I was not expecting such a harsh drop

[cupcakesnake]

Dinwiddie is talented, just not talented enough to play the role that suits his skill set. Dinwiddie gives you one thing: off-the dribble shot creation. He gets downhill, operates well in the pick & roll, and is capable of making all kinds of playmaking reads and tough shots.

He just doesn't do it well enough. Zero track record of Dinwiddie being an efficient offensive player. We've seen him in big roles and small. In a big role he can put up numbers, but needs so many possessions to do so. In a smaller role, he's not a good enough shooter (33% on career 3-pointers). He's okay at shooting wide-open 3s (40% over the past 3 years), but really bad at pull ups (31%). This sucks because he loves shooting pull ups and seems less enthusiastic about catch & shoot looks. His defense is also straight up bad in basically every way.

He's an extra ball handler who can soak up possessions if your team is super desperate. I don't see what role he can play on a good offensive team. He's injury insurance for Dallas. He's also 30-years old so it's time to stop waiting for him to get better at anything.

He will start in the backcourt when Irving misses time with injuries and he will get plenty of open 3 point attempts playing alongside Luka. The Mavs have 2 shotblocking centers and good defensive forwards/wings like Washington, Naji, and Grimes. Dallas is a good spot for him. I think he will thrive again like he did a couple years ago.

Kidd got Spencer's user manual. His shooting percentage tanks when guarded, but he is pretty good on open 3s and not afraid of the moment. Once a supposed franchise player after all.

I think a broader concern I have about Dallas is that they're going to have to decide offense vs. defense in a lot of lineups. Since Luka/Kyrie is offense only (Kyrie played some good defense in the playoffs this year) and Lively/Gafford is defense only (all respect to the Lob Brothers), the perfect Dallas rotation would have everyone else as some kind of 2-way player. Kidd will be juggling Klay/Hardy/Dinwiddie vs. Naji/Grimes/Maxi/Exum. PJ is their best 2-way player. I like the offensive upside of the defensive guys (specifically Naji and Grimes) more than I like the defensive upside of the offensive guys.

It's possible they find a really perfect balance, and/or someone's offense or defense is better than expected in this system.

This isn't too much about the Dinwiddie signing though. Good minimum pickup to add a guy who might be in the rotation at times.

[Hangtime84]

There guys these Olympic warmp games right now waiting for a contract better than him.

[jpengland]

If he’s going to rekindle his career, it’s here. If he does he’s a good bench option.

If he doesn’t, ah well, we cut him and he heads to China.

Low risk move with a medium reward.

[Ballerhogger]

Gotta be more specific in the title i thought it was Spencer Hawes

is he still around???

[Texas Chuck]

Guy sucks now and he has a huge ego. This better not eat into Hardy's minutes.

Bingo. Second point is spot on.

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I mean if the team had faith in Hardy they would have signed someone else. No idea why anyone thinks Hardy deserves a key role role written in pen for him. He wants to play, easy, just beat out Dinwiddie. But nobody can seriously look at his body of work and think boy Dallas is fine in those 15 games Luka misses and those 20 that Kyrie misses. Dallas was just in the Finals, this aint developmental minutes time.

[Texas Chuck]

Dinwiddie is talented, just not talented enough to play the role that suits his skill set. Dinwiddie gives you one thing: off-the dribble shot creation. He gets downhill, operates well in the pick & roll, and is capable of making all kinds of playmaking reads and tough shots.

He just doesn't do it well enough. Zero track record of Dinwiddie being an efficient offensive player. We've seen him in big roles and small. In a big role he can put up numbers, but needs so many possessions to do so. In a smaller role, he's not a good enough shooter (33% on career 3-pointers). He's okay at shooting wide-open 3s (40% over the past 3 years), but really bad at pull ups (31%). This sucks because he loves shooting pull ups and seems less enthusiastic about catch & shoot looks. His defense is also straight up bad in basically every way.

He's an extra ball handler who can soak up possessions if your team is super desperate. I don't see what role he can play on a good offensive team. He's injury insurance for Dallas. He's also 30-years old so it's time to stop waiting for him to get better at anything.

He's a min contract signing well into free agency. He's here because Exum and Hardy aren't consistent enough--and Exum can't stay healthy(he's hurt again right now...). Nobody should be under any illusions he is coming to town to play 30 minutes and close games. This isn't 3 years ago. But as mediocre as he is, and you aren't wrong about his game, Dallas doesn't have a better option nor were they likely to sign one for the minimum.

I fully expect him to be firmly in the rotation though. He isn't the kind of person you sign if you are going to give him DNP-CD's. He will be a problem. I think they honestly evaluate him as a better option as an offense creator than their other guards and frankly I think they are right about that. Him playing 18-20 mpg in the RS to ease some wear and tear on Luka and being able to play 34 minutes when Kyrie or Luka is unavailable seems useful for a minimum.

And hey if Hardy or Exum can keep him off the court, awesome. But this was a need for Dallas. A lot was made about Dallas getting better after the trades and that certainly helped. But a bigger factor was Kyrie got healthy and played every night.

[MrGoat]

Don't love it. Massive defensive liability and he didn't even want to be here.

[srhcan]

Pros pro- just plays ball for money- good move for everyone

who does not?

[srhcan]

Gotta be more specific in the title i thought it was Spencer Hawes

I really want to change the title to Spencer Does Dallas but I guess I'll just add the Dinwiddie part haha.

naughty bisme37

[FrobeBryant]

Maybe Dallas works out better for him since he’s familiar with the system, but for the lakers he was really bad. He wasn’t the shot creator he’s been known for and was even worse off the ball.

[dygaction]

He will start in the backcourt when Irving misses time with injuries and he will get plenty of open 3 point attempts playing alongside Luka. The Mavs have 2 shotblocking centers and good defensive forwards/wings like Washington, Naji, and Grimes. Dallas is a good spot for him. I think he will thrive again like he did a couple years ago.

Kidd got Spencer's user manual. His shooting percentage tanks when guarded, but he is pretty good on open 3s and not afraid of the moment. Once a supposed franchise player after all.

I think a broader concern I have about Dallas is that they're going to have to decide offense vs. defense in a lot of lineups. Since Luka/Kyrie is offense only (Kyrie played some good defense in the playoffs this year) and Lively/Gafford is defense only (all respect to the Lob Brothers), the perfect Dallas rotation would have everyone else as some kind of 2-way player. Kidd will be juggling Klay/Hardy/Dinwiddie vs. Naji/Grimes/Maxi/Exum. PJ is their best 2-way player. I like the offensive upside of the defensive guys (specifically Naji and Grimes) more than I like the defensive upside of the offensive guys.

It's possible they find a really perfect balance, and/or someone's offense or defense is better than expected in this system.

This isn't too much about the Dinwiddie signing though. Good minimum pickup to add a guy who might be in the rotation at times.

Given Exum could not stay healthy and sucked big in the playoffs, I think Dinwiddie will eat into his time. he is no longer a starter, but still deserves/needs 20+ min playtime to be effective. You cannot ask him to carry the load like Luka or switch freely/seamlessly between PG/SG like Kyrie. He was asked to do too much in BRN and too less in LAL. Likely he will revive as 6th man to sub in for Luka/Kyrie to be the 2nd ball handler on the court. His D is decent enough.

Hardy will likely lose time to Grimes who is bigger and a better defender. If there are blown out minutes to burn with a healthy squard, I would rather seeing them on OMax than Maxi.

Lively's offense has a lot to expect in the coming season from D-only. His value in passing is already there and he can work on his hook, mid-range, and even 3s.

[dirkdiggler4177]

He played two half-seasons with the Mavs. He was putting up around 17ppg on 40% from 3 point land and playing the best basketball of his career. Before that in DC, he was getting 12 ppg on 37% and with the Nets and Lakers he put up similar numbers after he left the Mavs. I got a feeling he will be back with the Mavs. Anyone who thinks this signing is bad is out of their mind considering how well he played with the Mavs before. It is also not a big contract since the Mavs don't have much left I think.

[Karate Diop]

Was shocked at how bad he was last year. He’s only 31 and I was not expecting such a harsh drop

Whether he's washed or dealing with something I don't know, but he was awful on the Nets. Looked like he quit, the only thing that made me reconsider that take is that he was also bad with the Lakers...

[MrBigShot]

His shooting splits have been pretty awful the last 2 years. Dunno if he has much to contribute anymore.

[Stone]

Dinwiddie's constant complaining after every call was really annoying. If there is one thing he is one of the leagues leaders in it is complaining.

Yes I get the irony.....

[Edrees]

That's a net negative for the Lakers. He was fairly good for us in the minutes he played.